Too funny... It is the fear of being left behind and the thought that you belong with the big dogs, or your kids do, anyways. I'm ashamed to admit it but if you, and your kids want to excel, you do what you think helps them. I'm a football and baseball guy and I've never heard of small sided football or baseball and it seems to work.

jklm wrote:

1more_dd_dad wrote:So should SDL just call this U9 11v11?.?.?. It will be fun seeing all of the 11v11 too young threads this Spring...
Why wait till spring, lets start the 11 V 11 too young threads now. Why don't we just start 11 V 11 at age 6 or 7. Heck, those 6 year olds deserve to play "real soccer". If you have 14 good 6 year olds, you don't want to let them go to some other team because they are not getting playing time in 7 V 7. Where does this stop?

Also Kenshi Dave wrote:Saturdays - SDL U10G D2/3 11v11 SDL:
Includes: Rowdies; FC Dallas Grubb; Solar Red Bates; Kicks; Solar Red Guimareas; Samba; Solar Murin; Mustangs Kat/Carl; Sting Flanagan; Solar Gold Hollis;
Interesting ... seems to be where most of top 01G teams are headed ... I hear SDL will have them play each other. My guess is that if you are a "top" 01G team and not playing 11v11, it's simply because you lack the team depth to field 11v11. This will definitely help us judge the 01 G field.

Saturdays - SDL U9G D1 9v9 SDL:
Includes: Solar Monte;
Doesn't look like many of the top teams will be there ... Rowdies 02 could easily compete and be very successful in the top 9v9 bracket.

Saturdays - PSA U9B Acad 9v9:
Includes: Princess Warriors


Sundays - Primetime U9G Texas Girls Premier League U9 11v11:
Includes: Solar Red Bates, Kicks, Princess Warriors, Solar Red Guimaraes, Samba, Fusion, Blue Ds, & Sting Flanagan
This league will definitely help us judge some of the top teams against each other.

Sundays - SDL II U9G 9v9?:
Includes: Solar Gold Hollis

Sundays - Taking the Day Off:
Includes: Rowdies


Trying to figure out who is playing where on which day ...
What of TFC Guz?
I can't imagine that any of the top team will play Sunday PAL.
Please help me complete the picture.

News Flash JKLM .... for at least the last 5 years, DFW's top teams at the Select level played some 11v11 at Spring of U9. And the teams that do play 11v11 get a jump on the others and the "others" don't tend to catch up.

This same argument that 11v11 is bad for development can be used all the way through U13 ... many states play 8v8 or 9v9 until U13 ... Oklahoma for instance ... which by the way, they never catch up to the N Texas Teams (or is that because Texas kids are smarter and better naturally? .... just kidding).

I think before we had academy and so much indoor and 3v3 (which was only 8 years ago), playing 11v11 was not productive at late U9 ... Now that kids are playing and being instructed with fairly high-end skills as early as the beginning of U8, playing 11v11 in Spring of U9 is not a bad thing.

I simply don't buy the argument of playing time and touches ... unless there is a max put on team size ... say 12 for 9v9. I see some coaches play 9v9 with 15 girls ... touches are NOT maximized.

Building a solid team of 15 girls, ready to compete 11v11 in the DFW bubble, as well as in tough regional and national tournaments at U11 & U12, demands playing some 11v11 at Spring U9 and certainly all of U10.

It's always laughable when a parent, rec coach, or even a coach with a lower-level license questions what professionals have advocated for years. These professionals include coaches and commissions from abroad whose men's teams are vastly superior to those of the US. In other words, people who think beyond a bunch of club soccer players all vying for a smidget of the elusive college scholarship. A little reading, however, is the first order of business for all of you nay-sayers: http://www.usyouthsoccer.org/doc_lib/small_sided_games_manual.pdf

If you Google phrases such as "small sided soccer, benefits, recommendations, reasons", etc. you'll find every reputable coach, player, and agency from all over the world recommend it, and for multiple good reasons. So that I don't completely sidetrack the subject at hand, I'll let those of you with open minds figure it out for yourselves. For the others, you know what's best for your kid; right, regardless of what those "experts" say? Our teams are better than those in Oklahoma, so we must be doing something right. And a kid playing 11v11 can get as many touches as one in an 8v8 match, correct? (So a team of say 50v50 should really help out development according to that mathematical logic).

Let us now return to the important subject of how the best teams of 9 year olds playing up will change the world as we know it...

Enjoy the laugh ... we'll see which teams are more successful in select when they play the real game ... which is 11v11.

Practice and "skills" is the place for all those touches (if you want more touches, practice and skill more) ... and signing up for small sided competition doesn't hurt .. which I've always done with my kids. We also do 7v7 indoor ... but they've learned to play the real game 11v11 by playing 11v11.

For my son we've done a lot of flag football (5v5, 6v6, & 7v7) from 4th grade on (great touches) ... that didn't mean that we didn't put him in pads and play full field 11v11 football with all the trimmings from 5th grade on ... of course that is American Football ... a real boys sport.

Experts? Are these the same experts that have developed vastly inferior girls teams all over the world? Let me guess, these experts all have foreign accents ... great.

PS ... I think the girls game and boys game is very different ... I think girls learn differently as well. Of course I have no coaches license and no accent ... I just have kids that can play some soccer on teams that are pretty successful.

Small sided vs. 11 v 11

Well if touch on ball develops players maybe we should start the 1 v 1 leagues here.

that was good stuff mslater. I liked what they were saying about how we go about small sided all wrong at about 19 minutes.

samantha wrote:Well if touch on ball develops players maybe we should start the 1 v 1 leagues here.

It is necessary for every player on the field to win their 1v1 battles.

Also Kenshi Dave wrote:Enjoy the laugh ... we'll see which teams are more successful in select when they play the real game ... which is 11v11.

Practice and "skills" is the place for all those touches (if you want more touches, practice and skill more) ... and signing up for small sided competition doesn't hurt .. which I've always done with my kids. We also do 7v7 indoor ... but they've learned to play the real game 11v11 by playing 11v11.

For my son we've done a lot of flag football (5v5, 6v6, & 7v7) from 4th grade on (great touches) ... that didn't mean that we didn't put him in pads and play full field 11v11 football with all the trimmings from 5th grade on ... of course that is American Football ... a real boys sport.

Experts? Are these the same experts that have developed vastly inferior girls teams all over the world? Let me guess, these experts all have foreign accents ... great.

PS ... I think the girls game and boys game is very different ... I think girls learn differently as well. Of course I have no coaches license and no accent ... I just have kids that can play some soccer on teams that are pretty successful.

Well, it sounds like you know best because your daughters can play. (Oh, brother.) I would also be willing to bet that you have never played the sport at any advanced level in your life. Your "reasoning" makes that clear. Parents like you always bring knives to gunfights and can't see beyond the rather boring play we all must witness on a weekly basis because soccer has been turned into such a team sport for our daughters. Get'em to 11v11 as soon as possible and win those games. That's what makes a player great, right? All those experts and other guys with accents be damned.

Of course I never played soccer ... I'm a male and clearly soccer is a sport for Small Englishman, Italian Romantics, French Fluffies, Overly-Dramatic Latins and Girls.

The real reason US men's soccer doesn't compare to the rest of the International game is simple ... our best male athletes play men's sports like football, basketball, and baseball ... it has nothing to do with soccer development.

If you are going to play a foreign sport, it should be a manly sport like rugby or hockey ... or the ski and shoot thing they'll do in a couple weeks.

We can bring another 10,000 foreign accented coaches to the US per year and play 3v3, 5v5 and 7v7 until thery are 18 and the best athletes are still going to be drawn to what are considered men\'s sports in the US.

High Level ... like Tatu ... indoor soccer?

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Also Kenshi Dave wrote:Of course I never played ... I'm a male and clearly soccer is a sport for Small Englishman, Italian Romantics, French Fluffies, Dramatic Latins and Girls.

Perhaps. But I salute you for your sense of humor. Too many on here lack that quality. Just see the 11+ page post on the Primetime 00/01's as proof.

Thanks man ... it is fun to shoot the Shit on this stuff.

Also Kenshi Dave wrote:Of course I never played soccer ... I'm a male and clearly soccer is a sport for Small Englishman, Italian Romantics, French Fluffies, Overly-Dramatic Latins and Girls.

The real reason US men's soccer doesn't compare to the rest of the International game is simple ... our best male athletes play men's sports like football, basketball, and baseball ... it has nothing to do with soccer development.

If you are going to play a foreign sport, it should be a manly sport like rugby or hockey ... or the ski and shoot thing they'll do in a couple weeks.

We can bring another 10,000 foreign accented coaches to the US per year and play 3v3, 5v5 and 7v7 until thery are 18 and the best athletes are still going to be drawn to what are considered men\'s sports in the US.

High Level ... like Tatu ... indoor soccer?

Oh COME ON!
You did not just call baseball a real man's sport.
Anything you can play professionally while overwieght, drunk, and smoking cigarettes is not a real sport.
Baseball - and you thought 11v11 Girls Soccer was boring.

OK ... OK ... I agree totally with your description of baseball ... and based on that description, it's the only pro-sport that I could still possibly have fantasies of actually playing.

Thank god all my kids opted for only short stints in baseball or tball.