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Post by golgolgol on 09/07/12, 10:34 pm

Only 25 02 teams signed up with two days until deadline? I guess they'll all be in and just play for division placement.

http://www.gotsport.com/events/teamlist.asp?eventid=25168&showall=TRUE

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Post by txtransplant on 09/07/12, 10:44 pm

There are actually 31 as of right now.

It seems there is a problem with the registration system and if you look in the 01 division there are six 02 squads listed. Just as there are 01 teams in the 00 division, 00 teams in the 99 and so on.
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Post by golgolgol on 09/07/12, 10:59 pm

txtransplant wrote:There are actually 31 as of right now.

It seems there is a problem with the registration system and if you look in the 01 division there are six 02 squads listed. Just as there are 01 teams in the 00 division, 00 teams in the 99 and so on.

ahhh, ok. So if there ends up with only 31 teams, sucks to be that 31st team!!!!
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Post by Guest on 09/07/12, 11:17 pm

golgolgol wrote:
txtransplant wrote:There are actually 31 as of right now.

It seems there is a problem with the registration system and if you look in the 01 division there are six 02 squads listed. Just as there are 01 teams in the 00 division, 00 teams in the 99 and so on.

ahhh, ok. So if there ends up with only 31 teams, sucks to be that 31st team!!!!

I'm guessing there will be plenty of last minute entries. I currently count 9 teams signed up for King TUT that aren't signed up for LH QT yet - including FC Dallas Premier and Andro Red. Usually, if you play King TUT or Puma Cup, you play QT as well.

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Post by Whoseurdaddy on 11/07/12, 08:45 am

We are now at 40 teams.

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Post by mcik17 on 11/07/12, 08:59 am

Whoseurdaddy wrote:We are now at 40 teams.

I count 41...Solar Chelsea Stark is listed with the 01's.
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Post by Sent to the Stands on 11/07/12, 09:11 am

Dallas Kicks East listed in U12 is an 02 team as well.
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Post by Guest on 11/07/12, 10:06 am

Sent to the Stands wrote:Dallas Kicks East listed in U12 is an 02 team as well.

No, that's the '01 Kicks East team that played and finished 7th in LH D3 last year. They have to try and requalify. Click on the team and look at their team history.

Haven't seen hide nor hair of the following teams. Are they still together???

Tx. Spirit North
Polaris (Wombough - Not the team that became FCD South)
Fever White
LP Rush
Sting West


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Post by 02Dad on 11/07/12, 10:12 am

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Sent to the Stands wrote:Dallas Kicks East listed in U12 is an 02 team as well.

No, that's the '01 Kicks East team that played and finished 7th in LH D3 last year. They have to try and requalify. Click on the team and look at their team history.

Haven't seen hide nor hair of the following teams. Are they still together???

Tx. Spirit North
Polaris (Wombough - Not the team that became FCD South)
Fever White
LP Rush
Sting West


Texas Spirit North is gone for sure.

I noticed Fever White is not listed under the "Competetive Teams" on the Fever website. No confirmation, but that may be a sign.

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Post by anothercrazysoccerdad on 11/07/12, 10:21 am

bwgophers wrote:
golgolgol wrote:
txtransplant wrote:There are actually 31 as of right now.

It seems there is a problem with the registration system and if you look in the 01 division there are six 02 squads listed. Just as there are 01 teams in the 00 division, 00 teams in the 99 and so on.

ahhh, ok. So if there ends up with only 31 teams, sucks to be that 31st team!!!!

I'm guessing there will be plenty of last minute entries. I currently count 9 teams signed up for King TUT that aren't signed up for LH QT yet - including FC Dallas Premier and Andro Red. Usually, if you play King TUT or Puma Cup, you play QT as well.

Gophers, can you impart your wisdom on all things QT 101, seeding, format, etc, for the newbie 02's around here. All pools of 4 teams, starting with the one seed, and serpentine down and back to fill the pools?

Do they try to separate teams from the same club from the same pool?

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Post by Guest on 11/07/12, 10:25 am

anothercrazysoccerdad wrote:
bwgophers wrote:
golgolgol wrote:
txtransplant wrote:There are actually 31 as of right now.

It seems there is a problem with the registration system and if you look in the 01 division there are six 02 squads listed. Just as there are 01 teams in the 00 division, 00 teams in the 99 and so on.

ahhh, ok. So if there ends up with only 31 teams, sucks to be that 31st team!!!!

I'm guessing there will be plenty of last minute entries. I currently count 9 teams signed up for King TUT that aren't signed up for LH QT yet - including FC Dallas Premier and Andro Red. Usually, if you play King TUT or Puma Cup, you play QT as well.

Gophers, can you impart your wisdom on all things QT 101, seeding, format, etc, for the newbie 02's around here. All pools of 4 teams, starting with the one seed, and serpentine down and back to fill the pools?

Do they try to separate teams from the same club from the same pool?

Sure... give me a few...

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Post by anothercrazysoccerdad on 11/07/12, 10:31 am

bwgophers wrote:
anothercrazysoccerdad wrote:
bwgophers wrote:
golgolgol wrote:
txtransplant wrote:There are actually 31 as of right now.

It seems there is a problem with the registration system and if you look in the 01 division there are six 02 squads listed. Just as there are 01 teams in the 00 division, 00 teams in the 99 and so on.

ahhh, ok. So if there ends up with only 31 teams, sucks to be that 31st team!!!!

I'm guessing there will be plenty of last minute entries. I currently count 9 teams signed up for King TUT that aren't signed up for LH QT yet - including FC Dallas Premier and Andro Red. Usually, if you play King TUT or Puma Cup, you play QT as well.

Gophers, can you impart your wisdom on all things QT 101, seeding, format, etc, for the newbie 02's around here. All pools of 4 teams, starting with the one seed, and serpentine down and back to fill the pools?

Do they try to separate teams from the same club from the same pool?

Sure... give me a few...

Thank you, always appreciate your information and experience on here.

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Post by Guest on 11/07/12, 11:25 am

O.K. I’ll start with the easy example to explain the general system and then will explain variances afterwards…

Let’s say they end up with 44 teams signed up…

Week 1 will be 11 4-Team pools. LH Seeding committee will seed the teams #1-#44 and the brackets will be set up using standard serpentine rules:

LHGCL Qualifying Tournament 2012 Lh_44t10

Typically, they will adjust the seeds in order to avoid same club matchups in the 1st week.

Week 1, each team plays against the other 3 teams in their pool. Standard 10 point format is used. 6 pts. for a W, 3 for a Draw, 1 pt/goal scored up to a max of 3 per game, 1 pt. for a shutout. The 11 pool winners from week 1 qualify for the 20 team D1 Supergroup and are finished.

Of the remaining 33 teams, the 5 4th place teams that score the fewest points in week 1 will be eliminated from the QT.

The remaining 28 teams will be re-grouped into 7 4-team brackets for week 2. The week 2 brackets will be based on the RESULTS from week 1 and will be seeded as follows.

LHGCL Qualifying Tournament 2012 Lh_28_10

They may adjust some of the 4th place teams to avoid week 1 re-matches and same club matches. I’m not sure if they will adjust any of the 2nd/3rd place week 1 teams to avoid same club matches.

Clean the slate (i.e. week #1 point totals do NOT carry over to week 2). Play week #2 games, the 7 pool winners + the 2 2nd place teams with highest point totals get berths into the 20 team D1 Supergroup. The remaining 5 2nd place teams + 5 3rd place teams with the highest point totals are given berths into D3. The 2 3rd place teams with lowest point totals and the 7 4th place teams are eliminated and do not qualify for Lake Highlands.

If there are 41-44 teams signed up, things will be set up as I explained above. If there are 43 teams - Pool A will only have 3 teams, if 42 teams - Pools A & B will only have 3 teams, if 41 teams – Pools A,B, & C will only have 3 teams. In the 3 team pools, the teams will only play 2 games in the 1st weekend. Pool winner still automatically qualifies for D1. 2nd and 3rd place teams automatically qualify for week 2, even if one or more of the 3rd place teams has 0 points in week 1. Week 2 will be the same as described above.

If there are 45-48 teams, there will be 12 pools in week #1. 12 week 1 pool winners qualify for D1 supergroup. 4th place teams with X lowest point totals will be eliminated. X is the number of teams that need to be eliminated to reduce Week 2 down to 28 teams. I believe that they reduce the week 2 teams down to 28 and not 32 in order to avoid rematches from week 1 (12 week 1 pools reducing to 8 week 2 pools would result in several potential rematches). Week 2 will be seeded using the same method I described above, just using the results from 12 pools instead of 11 (i.e. Pool L 2nd place will be top seed in Pool T - serpentine from there). 7 Week #2 pool winners + 2nd place team with highest point total earn D1 berths. Remaining 6 2nd place teams + 4 3rd place teams with highest point totals earn D3 berths. Remaining 10 teams are eliminated.

Not sure exactly how they would handle 49-52 teams, but with only 41 signed up so far, I don’t think they are going to get that high.

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Post by anothercrazysoccerdad on 11/07/12, 11:41 am

bwgophers wrote:O.K. I’ll start with the easy example to explain the general system and then will explain variances afterwards…

Let’s say they end up with 44 teams signed up…

Week 1 will be 11 4-Team pools. LH Seeding committee will seed the teams #1-#44 and the brackets will be set up using standard serpentine rules:

LHGCL Qualifying Tournament 2012 Lh_44t10

Typically, they will adjust the seeds in order to avoid same club matchups in the 1st week.

Week 1, each team plays against the other 3 teams in their pool. Standard 10 point format is used. 6 pts. for a W, 3 for a Draw, 1 pt/goal scored up to a max of 3 per game, 1 pt. for a shutout. The 11 pool winners from week 1 qualify for the 20 team D1 Supergroup and are finished.

Of the remaining 33 teams, the 5 4th place teams that score the fewest points in week 1 will be eliminated from the QT.

The remaining 28 teams will be re-grouped into 7 4-team brackets for week 2. The week 2 brackets will be based on the RESULTS from week 1 and will be seeded as follows.

LHGCL Qualifying Tournament 2012 Lh_28_10

They may adjust some of the 4th place teams to avoid week 1 re-matches and same club matches. I’m not sure if they will adjust any of the 2nd/3rd place week 1 teams to avoid same club matches.

Clean the slate (i.e. week #1 point totals do NOT carry over to week 2). Play week #2 games, the 7 pool winners + the 2 2nd place teams with highest point totals get berths into the 20 team D1 Supergroup. The remaining 5 2nd place teams + 5 3rd place teams with the highest point totals are given berths into D3. The 2 3rd place teams with lowest point totals and the 7 4th place teams are eliminated and do not qualify for Lake Highlands.

If there are 41-44 teams signed up, things will be set up as I explained above. If there are 43 teams - Pool A will only have 3 teams, if 42 teams - Pools A & B will only have 3 teams, if 41 teams – Pools A,B, & C will only have 3 teams. In the 3 team pools, the teams will only play 2 games in the 1st weekend. Pool winner still automatically qualifies for D1. 2nd and 3rd place teams automatically qualify for week 2, even if one or more of the 3rd place teams has 0 points in week 1. Week 2 will be the same as described above.

If there are 45-48 teams, there will be 12 pools in week #1. 12 week 1 pool winners qualify for D1 supergroup. 4th place teams with X lowest point totals will be eliminated. X is the number of teams that need to be eliminated to reduce Week 2 down to 28 teams. I believe that they reduce the week 2 teams down to 28 and not 32 in order to avoid rematches from week 1 (12 week 1 pools reducing to 8 week 2 pools would result in several potential rematches). Week 2 will be seeded using the same method I described above, just using the results from 12 pools instead of 11 (i.e. Pool L 2nd place will be top seed in Pool T - serpentine from there). 7 Week #2 pool winners + 2nd place team with highest point total earn D1 berths. Remaining 6 2nd place teams + 4 3rd place teams with highest point totals earn D3 berths. Remaining 10 teams are eliminated.

Not sure exactly how they would handle 49-52 teams, but with only 41 signed up so far, I don’t think they are going to get that high.

Greatness, thank you as usual. Ok, so now let the seeding/pool speculation begin. I am sure many will have their predictions and opinions. I would like to see Gophers' seeding/pools, as it should be pretty accuarate based on historical data from the 01's.

Will be interesting to see pre Tut/Puma speculation vs post Tut/Puma speculation and actual seeding/pool from LHGCL.

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Post by Guest on 11/07/12, 11:50 am

anothercrazysoccerdad wrote:
bwgophers wrote:O.K. I’ll start with the easy example to explain the general system and then will explain variances afterwards…

Let’s say they end up with 44 teams signed up…

Week 1 will be 11 4-Team pools. LH Seeding committee will seed the teams #1-#44 and the brackets will be set up using standard serpentine rules:

LHGCL Qualifying Tournament 2012 Lh_44t10

Typically, they will adjust the seeds in order to avoid same club matchups in the 1st week.

Week 1, each team plays against the other 3 teams in their pool. Standard 10 point format is used. 6 pts. for a W, 3 for a Draw, 1 pt/goal scored up to a max of 3 per game, 1 pt. for a shutout. The 11 pool winners from week 1 qualify for the 20 team D1 Supergroup and are finished.

Of the remaining 33 teams, the 5 4th place teams that score the fewest points in week 1 will be eliminated from the QT.

The remaining 28 teams will be re-grouped into 7 4-team brackets for week 2. The week 2 brackets will be based on the RESULTS from week 1 and will be seeded as follows.

LHGCL Qualifying Tournament 2012 Lh_28_10

They may adjust some of the 4th place teams to avoid week 1 re-matches and same club matches. I’m not sure if they will adjust any of the 2nd/3rd place week 1 teams to avoid same club matches.

Clean the slate (i.e. week #1 point totals do NOT carry over to week 2). Play week #2 games, the 7 pool winners + the 2 2nd place teams with highest point totals get berths into the 20 team D1 Supergroup. The remaining 5 2nd place teams + 5 3rd place teams with the highest point totals are given berths into D3. The 2 3rd place teams with lowest point totals and the 7 4th place teams are eliminated and do not qualify for Lake Highlands.

If there are 41-44 teams signed up, things will be set up as I explained above. If there are 43 teams - Pool A will only have 3 teams, if 42 teams - Pools A & B will only have 3 teams, if 41 teams – Pools A,B, & C will only have 3 teams. In the 3 team pools, the teams will only play 2 games in the 1st weekend. Pool winner still automatically qualifies for D1. 2nd and 3rd place teams automatically qualify for week 2, even if one or more of the 3rd place teams has 0 points in week 1. Week 2 will be the same as described above.

If there are 45-48 teams, there will be 12 pools in week #1. 12 week 1 pool winners qualify for D1 supergroup. 4th place teams with X lowest point totals will be eliminated. X is the number of teams that need to be eliminated to reduce Week 2 down to 28 teams. I believe that they reduce the week 2 teams down to 28 and not 32 in order to avoid rematches from week 1 (12 week 1 pools reducing to 8 week 2 pools would result in several potential rematches). Week 2 will be seeded using the same method I described above, just using the results from 12 pools instead of 11 (i.e. Pool L 2nd place will be top seed in Pool T - serpentine from there). 7 Week #2 pool winners + 2nd place team with highest point total earn D1 berths. Remaining 6 2nd place teams + 4 3rd place teams with highest point totals earn D3 berths. Remaining 10 teams are eliminated.

Not sure exactly how they would handle 49-52 teams, but with only 41 signed up so far, I don’t think they are going to get that high.

Greatness, thank you as usual. Ok, so now let the seeding/pool speculation begin. I am sure many will have their predictions and opinions. I would like to see Gophers' seeding/pools, as it should be pretty accuarate based on historical data from the 01's.

Will be interesting to see pre Tut/Puma speculation vs post Tut/Puma speculation and actual seeding/pool from LHGCL.

I will publish a final FBR after King TUT/Puma Cup that will only include the teams that are signed up for LH QT.

LH Seeding is somewhat subjective, so there will likely be at least a couple of large discrepancies between FBR and LH seeding. For the '01's Pre-QT FBR was actually closer to final U11 league standings 9 months later, than it was to QT seeding.

My prediction is that FBR will be roughly 90% accurate in predicting:
- 1st week qualifiers (10 out of 11 or greater)
- D1 qualifiers (18 out of 20 or greater)
- Total LH qualifiers (27 out of 30 or greater)

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Post by GOTB@LLZ?? on 11/07/12, 01:40 pm

No 3 point goal max is there?
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Post by Guest on 11/07/12, 01:53 pm

02Dad wrote:
bwgophers wrote:
Sent to the Stands wrote:Dallas Kicks East listed in U12 is an 02 team as well.

No, that's the '01 Kicks East team that played and finished 7th in LH D3 last year. They have to try and requalify. Click on the team and look at their team history.

Haven't seen hide nor hair of the following teams. Are they still together???

Tx. Spirit North
Polaris (Wombough - Not the team that became FCD South)
Fever White
LP Rush
Sting West


Texas Spirit North is gone for sure.

I noticed Fever White is not listed under the "Competetive Teams" on the Fever website. No confirmation, but that may be a sign.

Where is Solar Barnes?


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Post by aggiemt on 11/07/12, 02:07 pm

Do any of you more "seasoned" vets know when a list of teams claiming byes is available for the older ages? I know the deadline for bye fees is 7/13. Do we have to wait until the QT meeting on 7/18 or does LH let you know beforehand?
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Post by JeffM on 11/07/12, 02:10 pm

aggiemt wrote:Do any of you more "seasoned" vets know when a list of teams claiming byes is available for the older ages? I know the deadline for bye fees is 7/13. Do we have to wait until the QT meeting on 7/18 or does LH let you know beforehand?
I think you will have to wait for the meeting at least. They have to determine who all is claiming byes after the deadline, and make sure they all actually qualify.

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Post by imasoccerfreak on 11/07/12, 03:31 pm

Wow...I think the LH people need to hire Gophers to rewrite their website. That is a WAY better explanation than what they have on their site. I actually understand now. THANKS!!

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Post by Sent to the Stands on 11/07/12, 03:33 pm

mommabear wrote:
02Dad wrote:
bwgophers wrote:
Sent to the Stands wrote:Dallas Kicks East listed in U12 is an 02 team as well.

No, that's the '01 Kicks East team that played and finished 7th in LH D3 last year. They have to try and requalify. Click on the team and look at their team history.

Haven't seen hide nor hair of the following teams. Are they still together???

Tx. Spirit North
Polaris (Wombough - Not the team that became FCD South)
Fever White
LP Rush
Sting West


Texas Spirit North is gone for sure.

I noticed Fever White is not listed under the "Competetive Teams" on the Fever website. No confirmation, but that may be a sign.

Where is Solar Barnes?


I think Barnes is now FCD Dallas East Red. Can anyone confirm?
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Post by JeffM on 11/07/12, 03:36 pm

Sent to the Stands wrote:
mommabear wrote:
02Dad wrote:
bwgophers wrote:
Sent to the Stands wrote:Dallas Kicks East listed in U12 is an 02 team as well.

No, that's the '01 Kicks East team that played and finished 7th in LH D3 last year. They have to try and requalify. Click on the team and look at their team history.

Haven't seen hide nor hair of the following teams. Are they still together???

Tx. Spirit North
Polaris (Wombough - Not the team that became FCD South)
Fever White
LP Rush
Sting West



Texas Spirit North is gone for sure.

I noticed Fever White is not listed under the "Competetive Teams" on the Fever website. No confirmation, but that may be a sign.

Where is Solar Barnes?


I think Barnes is now FCD Dallas East Red. Can anyone confirm?

That's how it is listed on the FCD website.

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Post by Guest on 11/07/12, 04:28 pm

imasoccerfreak wrote:Wow...I think the LH people need to hire Gophers to rewrite their website. That is a WAY better explanation than what they have on their site. I actually understand now. THANKS!!

Problem is that if Lake Highlands published it like that on their website, they'd actually have to adhere to it. affraid

All joking aside, the Lake Highlands by-laws are intentionally written to give themselves wiggle room:

e. Each summer, a Qualifying Tournament will be held to qualify teams for U11 (all
divisions) and the remainder of Division III (U12-U19) for the following fall season.
The exact playing formats will be set according to the most efficient and expeditious
manner possible as determined by the number of teams that enter.


So I don't know if the methodology is set in stone and absolutely has to be the way that I described it in this post. What I do know, is that is the methodology they used for the U11 QT for the '00's and 01's each of the past 2 years. It's a pretty logical methodology and unless something was drastically different with this year's U11 QT field as opposed to the past couple of years (which doesn't appear to be the case), I would expect it do be done the same way this year.

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Post by Whoseurdaddy on 12/07/12, 07:35 am

Currently at 45 does the top seed get a bye?

11X4 == 44 plus 1 or would it be 9X5 = 45

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Post by intrinsic on 12/07/12, 08:32 am

9x4 plus 3x3 is a possible format, or 10x4 plus 1x5. Probably there is somebody who has seen this situation before and can tell you what is likely.

But I don't think anybody ever gets a bye into the league without playing a single game for U11 qualifying.

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