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Post by GGoat on 21/10/12, 02:21 pm

The keeper was catching the ball and kicked the forward that was coming towards her. The ref called a penalty and gave the keeper a yellow card. Then gave the ball to the keeper to punt. No pk nothing. Question is how do you get a yellow card and keep the ball.

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Post by Guest on 21/10/12, 03:53 pm

The only thing I can think of is that the official didn't call a penalty for the dangerous play. Perhaps the keeper smarted off and the ref called a misconduct (yellow card with no free kick) and then allowed play to continue after the stoppage.

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Post by dadof3 on 21/10/12, 06:43 pm

Or maybe the message was "I got this, you were getting the kick" and you earned a yellow for unsporting behavior. Now it is your kick...like it was going to be if you hadn't taken it into your own hands...
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Post by GGoat on 21/10/12, 08:03 pm

No she didnt smart off or say anything to the refs or players she just kicked the foward in the head. The Ar said there is no free kick because play had stopped but the ball never went out and the keeper was catching the ball when she kicked the other girl so that didnt make sense unless all play is stopped when the kepper catches the ball but what if she drops it. Didnt understand that

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Post by GGoat on 21/10/12, 08:10 pm

Sorry dad didnt understand what you are saying. Everyone was geting ready for a pk. He was very fast with the yellow and no one said anything until he handed the ball back to the keeper. Like I said another crazy call in Arlington

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Post by Guest on 21/10/12, 08:39 pm

GGoat wrote:No she didnt smart off or say anything to the refs or players she just kicked the foward in the head. The Ar said there is no free kick because play had stopped but the ball never went out and the keeper was catching the ball when she kicked the other girl so that didnt make sense unless all play is stopped when the kepper catches the ball but what if she drops it. Didnt understand that

Based on this description, it sounds like the ref may have made the call correctly... but it would depend on when the kick to the forward occured. If the keeper kicked the forward in the process of making the catch, then it should have been a card plus a PK (a foul). But if the keeper had possession then gave the forward a kick out of frustration, it should be a card but not PK (a misconduct).

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Post by GGoat on 21/10/12, 09:05 pm

Why is that Xara

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Post by Guest on 21/10/12, 09:34 pm

I got this from soccer-fans-info.com . It should help clarify the difference:

"12. Fouls and Misconduct - There's a difference between fouls and misconduct that many people fail to understand. A foul can occur when a player tries to get the ball from his opponent and kicks him or pushes him away accidentally, whereas misconduct means that a player willfully targets his opponent and punches, kicks or pushes him away.

Fouls can only occur when the ball is in play, but misconduct can occur when it's out of play as well. Depending on the seriousness of the foul or misconduct, the referee can penalize it with a yellow or red card in addition to a free kick or penalty kick."

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Post by GGoat on 21/10/12, 09:45 pm

So you are saying when the keeper has the ball, the ball is not in play.
Also no penelty kick is awarded for misconduct
If the keeper kicks someone in the head it is not a foul because she has the ball.
So confused

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Post by Guest on 21/10/12, 10:14 pm

GGoat wrote:So you are saying when the keeper has the ball, the ball is not in play.
Also no penelty kick is awarded for misconduct
If the keeper kicks someone in the head it is not a foul because she has the ball.
So confused

It's one of those situations that's hard to know without actually seeing the play. If the ref blew his whistle and a split second later the keeper kicked the forward, then the ball was out of play such that the penalty was a misconduct. It sounds like the keeper was called for retaliation. This is very often a misconduct type of offense than can warrant a card but not a foul. Fouls occur when the ball is in play, so by law a PK cannot be awarded for a misconduct.

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Post by GGoat on 21/10/12, 10:23 pm

Ok thanks but he blew his whistle and gave the card after the kick not the whistle then the kick. The question im asking is when the keeper catches the ball does that mean the ball his out of play and no fouls are called only misconduct calls

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Post by Guest on 21/10/12, 10:35 pm

The ball is only out of play when it is out of bounds or when the referee has stopped play. If a keeper picks up the ball (or otherwise possesses it), the ball is still in play. Officials are VERY quick to whistle a play dead when there is a challenge by the keeper.

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Post by Hook It on 21/10/12, 10:43 pm

Xara wrote:The ball is only out of play when it is out of bounds or when the referee has stopped play. If a keeper picks up the ball (or otherwise possesses it), the ball is still in play. Officials are VERY quick to whistle a play dead when there is a challenge by the keeper.
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Post by TheDudeAbides on 21/10/12, 10:49 pm

Well... There is always Six Flags!
No yellow cards or PK's, only rides and snowcones.
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Post by GGoat on 21/10/12, 11:25 pm

So there should have been a pk because the ball was in play when the keeper kicked the girl.
Thanks all

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Post by upper95 on 21/10/12, 11:37 pm


During active play, the keeper kicked an opponent. The referee whistled and then issued a yellow card to the keeper.

If this is what happened, then a penalty kick should have been awarded to the opponents. Kicking an opponent during active play is a foul and the restart is a direct kick. Since this occurred in the penalty area, a penalty kick is awarded. The keeper may also be cautioned (shown a yellow card) for unsporting behavior or a sent off (shown a red card) for serious foul play.
(If the keeper intentionally and violently kicks an opponent that is on the ground, she's done.)

Misconduct while the ball is out of play does not change the restart that would have occurred. For example, if the ball crosses the touch line for a throw in, then a player throws a punch at an opponent, the player is sent off and the restart is still a throw in.


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Post by GGoat on 22/10/12, 12:15 am

You got it upper but instead of a pk he gave the ball to the keeper to punt after he gave her the yellow card. So the offense not only didnt get the pk but they lost the ball also and their coach was kicked out a few minutes later when the ref called back a goal they scored on a offside call.

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Post by upper95 on 22/10/12, 01:15 am

The assistant referees, especially the lead A/R in the same half of the field, should have tried to change the restart. Very possible that the A/R did not have the knowledge of the Laws, awareness of the situation or the confidence to signal the center for a consultation.




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Post by dadof3 on 22/10/12, 11:31 am

I think Xara gets what I was saying. Without having seen it...

The stoppage was for the keeper who didn't "foul" in the course of play, but retaliated after the play by kicking...If she hadn't kicked, then nothing. The stoppage and restart was because he had to address the keeper's action, but didn't award a penalty because it wasn't a foul in the play (same as giving a coach a card doesn't get a kick).

He would do the same thing for an injured player...stop the play while the ball is in the keeper's hands...address the injured player, then bounce the ball to the keeper and have her restart play.

Her kick (in his eyes, and IMO per the description) wasn't part of the play, but was after the keeper possessed the ball-thus not worth the penalty, but needed to be addressed. Sounds like the game was getting chippy, so he was prob trying to reel control back in.
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Post by DoubleDDRedux on 22/10/12, 12:19 pm

I know that ref. he has a lot to say about the feedback after the game
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Post by twotone on 22/10/12, 12:35 pm

if a GK catches a ball in hands during the run of play, then the ball is still in play. the GK can continue play with punt, throw, or drop ball at feet to dribble inside or outside of penalty area. ball is still in play.

to the OP, the Gk possessed the ball in her hands and committed a foul against an opponent. intentionally kicking an opponent in that situation is Violent Conduct. Procedure is to whistle the foul to stop play and send off the GK. Restart is a penalty kick for the fouled team because the foul occurred in the penalty area (it had to otherwise the GK was handling the ball outside of the penalty area, opening a whole new can of worms). it should be written up as Violent Conduct in the report because there was no possibility to play the ball in that situation. (F couldn't play it cuz it was in GKs hands. GK couldn't play it from F cuz it was being possessed by GK).


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Post by my2cents on 22/10/12, 01:03 pm

Have to wonder where was the girl who got kicked? Was she standing there and got a karate style high kick to the head? Was she on the ground and if so how did she get there? Reading between the lines sounds more like a hard challenge followed by a retaliation. Sounds like it should have been yellow or red for the challenge and red for the retaliation. Seems that despite when the whistle was blown it was for the challenge thus the free kick and the caution for unsporting conduct after the fact.

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Post by GGoat on 22/10/12, 01:08 pm

I really dont think the keeper should have been thrown out or written up. The keeper was tall and the foward was short. I think he made the right call and the yellow card was all that needed. But cant understand the reason why he would call a pently and issue a yellow then give the ball back to the person that he gave the penelty and yellow card to. I sounds like he made a mistake but I just wanted to ask the refs and people on the post how this rule works and really wanted to find out if what the Ar said was correct that once the keeper has the ball in her hands the ball is out of play.
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Post by DoubleDDRedux on 22/10/12, 01:19 pm

twotone wrote:if a GK catches a ball in hands during the run of play, then the ball is still in play. the GK can continue play with punt, throw, or drop ball at feet to dribble inside or outside of penalty area. ball is still in play.

to the OP, the Gk possessed the ball in her hands and committed a foul against an opponent. intentionally kicking an opponent in that situation is Violent Conduct. Procedure is to whistle the foul to stop play and send off the GK. Restart is a penalty kick for the fouled team because the foul occurred in the penalty area (it had to otherwise the GK was handling the ball outside of the penalty area, opening a whole new can of worms). it should be written up as Violent Conduct in the report because there was no possibility to play the ball in that situation. (F couldn't play it cuz it was in GKs hands. GK couldn't play it from F cuz it was being possessed by GK).

wouldn't violent play by goalie in this situation be an indirect kick in the box after keeper sent off? I think so.
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Post by GGoat on 22/10/12, 01:23 pm

The goal keeper played a great game and had many saves the game was very one sided and she was getting a lot of work. No one was hurt and I think she just got a little fustrated the kick wasnt that bad and I didnt even see the kick it happend fast but the ref saw it and made the call and issued the yellow quickly. The game at this point was 1-0 but the shots where like 30 to 1. I dont think the ref wanted to give a pk but wanted to issue a yellow to help keep the game under control plus his calls had been very onesided during the game so I think he was trying to show that he was calling both sides the calls where probable 12-2 against the fowards team and the only reason it was close was because of the refs calls but more because the keeper made so many good saves and the other team made bad shots. Like I said it was a crazy call and wanted to now what the rules are regarding when the keeper has the ball in her hands

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