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Post by Concerned_parent on 20/01/13, 11:04 am



Celtic FC 05 has a group of talented players coached by the poorest example of whom you would want coaching your precious daughters. Their "coach" was overheard today by many parents on the opposing team at half time saying, "Take them out, even if you have to foul them."

Just to clarify, we are talking about 7 and 8 year old girls.

The second half ensued with a lot of aggressive play. Rather than going for the ball, the Celtic FC players were going for the girls.

This "coach" teaches his girls how to be dirty players. Any coach who tells girls to take a player out, even if you have to foul them should be ashamed of themselves.

I witnessed a parent on the opposing team asking the "coach," "Do you think it is appropriate to tell your players to take out the girls on the other team, even if you have to foul them?"

He indignantly responded, "Who are you? Just go away."

My first thought was, "It doesn't matter who the person is. ANSWER THE QUESTION."

His response was exactly what you would expect from someone with limited verbal skills and a low IQ. However, in his pitiful defense, there is no acceptable response to his abhorrent behavior.

I then saw one of the opposing team's parent, a very nice lady, put her finger up and say, "Other parents heard what you said." To which, this "coach" responded IN FRONT OF 8 YEAR OLD CHILDREN, MIND YOU, "Get your finger out of my face or I'll break it."

Ha! Ha! Ha!

Ladies and gentleman, he is a class act. Wow! He really is a piece of work. Can you say, "Where do I sign up for anger management classes?" Any psychiatrist would have a field day with this bozo. One would describe this simpleton as a goon, Neanderthal, dolt, jackass,
nitwit, blockhead, etc....and the list goes on and on.

Think long and hard before letting your girls play for this "coach." If he will threaten to break a finger of an adult (and a woman at best) IN FRONT OF HIS 8 YEAR OLD FEMALE PLAYERS, just think about how this prepubescent rogue would speak to your daughters.

Any parent who would allow their daughters to play for this poor excuse of man is doing their daughters a disservice .

What a joke of a man, if you can call him that. What's even funnier is that a woman standing next to him justified his asinine response with, "Well, she stuck her finger in his face." Clearly, this woman has chosen the right team for her child. Dummy!

The Celtic FC mission statement is the following:
We believe that individual integrity, a sense of team responsibility, building a work ethic, determination and integrity should come before winning."

Once again, "Ha, ha, ha!"

Really??? Think again people.
Winning while encouraging your players to hurt the opposing team. That resounds "win at all costs" to me.

Celtic FC has great players and did beautifully in their shoot out today, aside from their coached dirty play the second half.

Their "coach," however, is a pathetic example of a role model and an embarrassment to the soccer community, let alone the human race. It is absolutely hysterical that he is so insecure and unsure of his manhood that he feels the need to threaten a woman. He has provided a lot of comic relief with his juvenile response. Next time, "Learn to use your words Big Boy."

Beware 05 soccer parents, watch out for this "coach"...and I do use the word "coach" loosely. If your daughters play against this team, enjoy the moron on the sidelines and the dirty play.

All of you are probably wondering who this heel is......BRIAN HUTCHINSON!!!!



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Post by my2cents on 20/01/13, 12:06 pm

Below are higyhlighted the Code of Conduct violations he has committed. I love how people come here all the time and rant. How about you and the other parents stepping to the plate and filing with NTX against him? I hear all the time "not my business". Well in a few years when one of his prodigies breaks your daughter's leg or clavicle then it will be your business. Be part of the solution.

CHAPTER 11
CODE OF ETHICS/CONDUCT
11.1 NTSSA CODE OF ETHICS FOR COACHES
This code of ethics has been developed to clarify and distinguish approved and accepted professional,
ethical, and moral behavior from that which is detrimental to the development of the sport of soccer. (The
term “Coach” shall include, but is not limited to Head Coach, Assistant Coach(s), Manager/Trainer and/or
Team Representative.)
ARTICLE I - RESPONSIBILITIES TO PLAYERS
1. The coach must never place the value of winning over the safety and welfare of players. Winning
should be the result of preparation and discipline with emphasis placed on the highest ideals and
character traits.
2. Coaches shall instruct players to play within the written laws of the game and within the spirit of the
game at all times.
3. Coaches shall not seek unfair advantage by teaching deliberate unsportsmanlike behavior to players.
4. Coaches should not tolerate inappropriate behavior from players regardless of the situation.
5. Demands on players’ time should never be so extensive as to interfere with academic goals and
progress. Motivation for excellence should include academics as well as athletics.
6. Coaches must never encourage players to violate NTSSA recruitment, eligibility, or guest player rules
and policies.
7. Under no circumstances should coaches authorize or encourage the use of medicinal or performance
enhancing drugs, or supplements of any kind whether legal or illegal, prescription, or over-the-counter.
Medication and supplementation of any kind should be the responsibility of the parents and/or legal
guardian. Players should be directed to seek proper medical attention for injuries and to follow the
physician’s instructions regarding treatment and recovery. At no time should a player be put at risk by
returning from injury prematurely or by being forced to play while injured.
8. A coach's dealings with players and parents must be upfront, honest, and forthright. Coaches must
always be honest and refrain from misrepresentations to players and parents.
ARTICLE II - RESPONSIBILITY TO NTSSA AND MEMBER ASSOCIATIONS
1. Adherence to all NTSSA and Member Association rules and policies, especially those regarding
eligibility, team formation, recruiting, and guest players are mandatory and should never be violated.
It is the responsibility of every coach to know and understand these rules.
2. Player development and the growth of the player through participation is essential to the growth of the
sport. Additionally, the coach must behave in such a manner that the principles, integrity, and dignity
of the sport are maintained.
3. Any problems that cannot be resolved between coaches should be referred to the appropriate NTSSA
Commissioner, Member Association, or League Commissioner immediately.
4. A coach's dealings with NTSSA and Member Associations (including playing leagues) must be
upfront, honest, and forthright. Coaches must always be honest and refrain from misrepresentations to
NTSSA and Member Associations (including playing leagues).
Revised August 2012
95
ARTICLE III - RESPONSIBILITY TO THE LAWS OF THE GAME
1. Coaches should be thoroughly acquainted with and demonstrate a working knowledge of the laws of
the game of soccer. Coaches are also responsible to ensure that their players understand the intent as
well as the application of the laws.
2. Coaches must adhere to the letter and spirit of the laws of the game. Those coaches who circumvent
the rules to gain advantage have no place in soccer.
3. Coaches are responsible for their players’ actions on the field and must not permit them to perform
with the intent of causing injury to opposing players.
4. If coaches permit, encourage, or condone performance that is not in the letter or spirit of the laws, they
are derelict in their responsibility to players, Member Associations, NTSSA and the sport worldwide.
The coach must strive constantly to teach good sporting behavior.
ARTICLE IV - RESPONSIBILITY TO OFFICIALS
1. Officials must have the support of coaches, players and spectators. Criticism of officials undermines
their purpose in the game. Coaches must always refrain from criticizing officials in the presence of
players.
2. Coaches should strive to develop a line of communication with officials, giving each an opportunity
to better understand the problems relating to their specific area. This section shall not be taken as an
encouragement to debate referee decisions during the match.
3. On game day, officials should be treated with respect before, during, and after the game. Officials
should be addressed as “Referee” or “Mr./Ms. Referee” and not by name. Professional respect should
be mutual and there should be no demeaning dialogue or gesture between official, coach, or player.
Coaches must not incite players or spectators or attempt to disrupt the flow of play.
4. Comments regarding an official should be made in writing to the appropriate organization assigning
the official.
ARTICLE V - RESPONSIBILITIES REGARDING SCOUTING AND RECRUITING
1. It is unethical to scout any team, by any means whatsoever, except in regularly scheduled games.
2. The use of videotape or motion picture equipment to scout an opponent’s regularly scheduled games
for the purpose of recruiting is unethical.
3. All NTSSA rules pertaining to recruiting shall be strictly observed by the coach, manager, or any team
representative.
4. It is unethical to recruit player(s) actively playing for another team.
5. It is unethical for a player to be recruited or enticed from the Olympic Development Program (ODP)
setting, either by his ODP coach or any other coach, manager, parent or team representative.
6. When discussing the advantages of his organization, the coach has an ethical obligation to be forthright
and refrain from making derogatory remarks regarding other coaches, teams, and organizations.
7. It is unethical for any coach to make a statement to a prospective athlete which cannot be fulfilled;
illegal to promise any kind of compensation or inducement for play; and immoral to deliver same.
8. Allegations of illegal or unethical recruiting are very serious and should be based on concrete facts
rather than hearsay and innuendo. While documentation of recruiting violations is essential, the use of
videotape and other electronic equipment is discouraged.
Revised August 2012
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ARTICLE VI - RESPONSIBILITY OF PUBLIC RELATIONS
1. Coaches have a responsibility to promote the game of soccer to the public. Comments and critiques of
governing bodies, teams, coaches, players, parents, or the media should be positive and constructive,
never prejudicial or inflammatory.
2. When asked to give a recommendation concerning team, camp, coach or organization, it is in the best
interest of all concerned if no less than three referrals are given in order to provide a professional
unbiased source of information.
3. Coaches have the responsibility to assist their players in conducting themselves properly when in
public while representing their team, Member Association, and NTSSA.
4. Publicly predicting a win is folly and serves no useful place in a coach’s public image.
5. Comments stressing injuries, team, personnel conflicts, or disciplinary problems as an excuse for a loss
or unsuccessful endeavor are detrimental and should be avoided.
6. It is unethical for a coach to solicit alumni, parents, booster club or managers to pressure organizations,
Member Associations or NTSSA to alter established rules. The coach must not attempt to influence
these organizations in political or financial dealings outside the framework of their own rules and
bylaws.
7. The media should be allowed access to the players for comment. Players should be instructed in how
to conduct themselves during an interview.
ARTICLE VII - GAME DAY AND OTHER RESPONSIBILITIES
1. A coach’s behavior must be such as to bring credit to himself, his organization, and the sport of soccer.
This is never more evident than on the day of the contest.
2. Rival coaches should meet prior to the game and exchange friendly or professional greetings. While
the concept of rivalry is wholly embraced, it cannot take precedence over exemplary professional
conduct.
3. During play, coaches have a responsibility to be as inconspicuous as possible. Coaches shall exhibit a
respectful attitude towards players. The coach must confine him/herself to the coaching area. The
attitude of the coach towards officials, spectators, opposing players and coaches should be controlled
and undemonstrative.
4. It shall be unethical for a coach to have any verbal altercation with an opposing coach or bench during
the game. Hostile physical contact with a player is considered highly unethical.
5. The coach’s foremost post-game responsibility is his/her team.
6. Coaches should use their influence on unfriendly spectators that demonstrate intimidating behavior
towards officials and opposing teams.
7. Coaches must act in a professional manner at all times when in the presence of players, whether at
games, practices, or in any other setting. A coach demonstrating behavior that could be considered by
a reasonable person to be irrational, inappropriate, or unbecoming an adult will not be tolerated.
Examples of such behavior include, but are not limited to, the following:
 Lewd gestures or remarks
 Overly critical remarks
 Ranting and raving
 Snide or demeaning remarks
 Threatening behavior or remarks
 Physical confrontations
 Temper outbursts

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Post by go99 on 20/01/13, 12:26 pm

no idea what happened in that game but it does sound like somebody took a loss they didn't enjoy. 2cents said it best, have the stones to step up and file a legitimate complaint and not just post your take on what happend. Oh and to sign up with a new forum name so you can annonymously blast a coach and team while being more than willing to post his entire name. Take your complaints to where they really matter and at least have the stones to stand behind your comments and if you are going to put someones name out there be willing to stand up as the person that did it. He sounds like an awful coach but you becoming an awful individual doesn't solve the problem.
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Post by Gunner9 on 20/01/13, 12:29 pm

Where did this incident take place?
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Post by Indy28 on 20/01/13, 01:49 pm

Lately, it would appear that sanctions are rarely handed out by NTSSA, leagues or facilities for abhorrent coaching. If a man is willing to coach dirt play in front of spectators in public and threaten to break a woman's finger in front of 7-8 year old children in public, then perhaps forewarning the rest of us who play them in league play is the only way to help protect the safety and well being of those who must face him and his team.

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Post by go99 on 20/01/13, 02:14 pm

as you just said "if". And a inflammitory post from a annonymous first time poster from a losing game is a big time "if". We seem to almost never get these warnings for the good of the people from people that have won the game. I would also add something about the abhorrent parenting of the woman for putting her fingers in someones face and doing it in front of 7-8 yr old children. sounds like a bunch of adults acting poorly to me. I wonder what the Celtics teams view on the whole thing.
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Post by Seven on 20/01/13, 02:19 pm

I think this is the perfect forum for things like this coaches behavour to be brought to light,however if you are going to give his name you maybe should also give your name. In my opinion if you stick your name behind such charges it gives them a bit more credibility
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Post by go99 on 20/01/13, 02:26 pm

it definitely gives more credibility to the post and also the team.
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Post by Guest on 20/01/13, 02:59 pm

"Take them out, even if you have to foul them."

It's unbelievable that a coach would be yelling such instrutions from the sideline. This is clearly one of those remarks we only ever expect to hear from the parents. Usually those supporting the losing team.

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Post by bigtex75081 on 20/01/13, 03:30 pm

I have no problem with someone coming onto this forum and posting anonymously. The original poster is elevating the awareness of the rest of us and I’m fine with it. That’s what this forum is all about. The readers on this forum should know to always take things like this with a grain of salt.

We all know that there’s always 3 sides to every story but it really doesn’t make sense to attack the original poster because they made their comment anonymously. We all post some big opinions on here. I don’t expect each of you to post your full name and home phone # after every comment you make. For all we know, the original poster may be a longstanding member on that Celtic ’05 squad and wants reform. (Hell, it could be the coach’s wife for all we know.)

I think though, along with the rest of you, that the original poster needs to follow through. If the original poster’s account of the events is accurate, I think we’d all agree that this coach is leading these girls down the wrong path.

So to the original poster - @my2cents has already done a good chunk of research on your behalf. Please follow through. Don’t let this initial post be the end of your role. Help make things better for all of us. Please follow through.

Coaches that act like this don’t keep teams together for long. He’ll lose at least 50% of his team as a result of this event but there’s always a group of loyal morons that try to ignore situations like this. That core group could potentially recover from this and salvage this squad for this coach if the right action isn’t taken.
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Post by Seven on 20/01/13, 03:54 pm

bigtex75081 wrote:I have no problem with someone coming onto this forum and posting anonymously. The original poster is elevating the awareness of the rest of us and I’m fine with it. That’s what this forum is all about. The readers on this forum should know to always take things like this with a grain of salt.

We all know that there’s always 3 sides to every story but it really doesn’t make sense to attack the original poster because they made their comment anonymously. We all post some big opinions on here. I don’t expect each of you to post your full name and home phone # after every comment you make. For all we know, the original poster may be a longstanding member on that Celtic ’05 squad and wants reform. (Hell, it could be the coach’s wife for all we know.)

I think though, along with the rest of you, that the original poster needs to follow through. If the original poster’s account of the events is accurate, I think we’d all agree that this coach is leading these girls down the wrong path.

So to the original poster - @my2cents has already done a good chunk of research on your behalf. Please follow through. Don’t let this initial post be the end of your role. Help make things better for all of us. Please follow through.

Coaches that act like this don’t keep teams together for long. He’ll lose at least 50% of his team as a result of this event but there’s always a group of loyal morons that try to ignore situations like this. That core group could potentially recover from this and salvage this squad for this coach if the right action isn’t taken.


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Post by go99 on 20/01/13, 04:44 pm

no need to post you real name and ph #. But the whole this just happened and I just happened to find this forum and make my first post seems a little suspect Suspect How about not creating a new account and using the regular account. But I guess thats par for the course for people here that create accounts so they can say things they don't want to be held accountable for. Both of your descriptions are valid posters but what about a parent that was just and who just wants to bring a coach down or a parent that just didn't have a game go their way? Also valid motives. So the real problem with the post is we have no idea if any of it is true so it doesn't really "help" at all. Oh another idea is to contact the DOC. Isn't Celtic trying to establish a small club? Maybe they would solve the problem. Or you could just come on and flame a coach and team because that always works
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Post by Omg on 20/01/13, 06:00 pm

I have also heard that from other parents who have played them!! SAD hopefully the organization will do something about it!!

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Post by go99 on 20/01/13, 06:04 pm

wouldn't worry about it then. They are a new group so they won't last long. If you want an A$%hole coach who is teaching rough physical play you can go to one of the big clubs and get a guy who has a pedigree of winning.
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Post by craig_75248 on 21/01/13, 02:43 pm

Dear Concerned Parents,

I would like to clarify a few points that were incorrectly portrayed about the game this weekend between the Defeeters and Celtics 05. You can hate the coach for as many reasons as you want, but you should do it accurately and not flinging accusations at all of us because you are mad at him for miss-understanding what he said.

Facts for everyone concerned:

1 - At half time, we (Celtics) were losing the game because our girls were not being aggressive enough. In Fact, the Defeeters were running faster, winning more battles, and pushing much harder than we were. (Check the penalty tally if you disagree) I am OK with this, in fact, I thought we were not playing well enough to win at the time. Coach Brian at half said "Take them out of the play, step in front of the ball if you have to" (Perfectly legal) I know this for certain because my daughter had a shoe coming untied and I went over to make sure she handled before they went back out. As far as coach yelling that alleged phrase above while they were on the field, I can assure you the "heart on the sleeve" ref would have stopped the game if coach did that. (He was very sensitive)

2 - The second half aggressive play, this is the biggest laugh of all. Coach Brian had to carry his daughter off the field because of the aggressive play the other way. I am not saying anyone tried to hurt our girls, but it happens and penalty kicks ensues just like always. No big deal. -- Check the record if you like, Celtics are one of the lowest penalized teams in the league. In fact, we probably take more penalty shots for be roughed up than any other team. -- We got lucky and tied the game up towards the end. It was our excellent goalie play that won it for us in the shoot out. If it hadn't been for her, we probably would have lost before the shootout and this rant may have never seen the light of the Internet.

3 - You said, ""I witnessed a parent on the opposing team asking the coach "Do you think this it is appropriate to tell your players to take out the girls on the other team, even if you have to foul them?"" How about this for truth? >> 3 Defeeter Moms were staged at the front desk ready to pounce on Coach Brian and couldn't wait for him so they moved forward in pattern, angrily, with their fingers "a pointing" Cornering him, his wife, and his daughter against the benches and blocking his way out and yelling at him. I know this for certain, because I had to separate them and ask the parents to leave. That is when I heard one of the mom's say, "He said he was going to break my finger" (Loudly to insight a fight) Then a couple of the fathers from the Defeeters decided it might be good to start in and talk up a fight in front of the kids. I asked them all to leave again so our kids would not have to see this. After a few minutes of curses and promises to meet us all in parking lot and at the next game. I even heard the woman that had the finger issue mention that she was pressing charges. Smile (Save your breath, there was an off duty officer standing close to me to ensure there was no fight and he heard and saw all.

This event ended without incident, and no one was ready to rumble in the parking lot. That is the best thing that could have happened, because as all of the people "not involved" were saying as we left. "This is an 8 year old girls soccer game, you all should be ashamed of your selves."

I agree and not passing on the blame. We should all cool off and let the girls handle themselves like young ladies on the field. The Celtic girls have never played dirty and are not being coached to do so. They are just girls that really love to compete and enjoy winning just like any other girls would.

Coach Brian is not a bad person, he is mis-understood at times and might say things that I would not during a game. None of which was what was described in the starting rant. You have every right to rant, but I would ask that you do it with facts. You can reply all you want, I will promise this is my last communication on this forum to avoid tit for tat on this event.



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Post by go99 on 21/01/13, 03:04 pm

Oh surprise surprise the coach is not exactly not a full fledged member of the kitten kicking club. The Celtic team and parents may not be the most vile and evil people in NTX. Somebody may have overstated things to vent their frustrations at a game the think they should have won. Well this certianly doesn't make The-feet-ers look all that good.
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Post by Busby Babes on 21/01/13, 03:13 pm

lol..ah, the extremes some parents will go to at U-8 footy...
Bonus point for anyone that can pick out the irony in this...
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Post by Guest on 21/01/13, 04:19 pm

Where is charliesheen when you need him?

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Post by NTX Celtic FC on 22/01/13, 07:56 am

Celtic SC would like to recognize that Celtic FC is an independent team NOT associated with our Club. concerned_parent quoted our mission statement:
"We believe that individual integrity, a sense of team responsibility, building a work ethic, determination and integrity should come before winning." This is NOT to disparage concerned_parent or Celtic FC. We just need to clarify that these two clubs are not associated and no one from our organization was present at this game.
www.celticsoccerclub.org - Celtic SC currently does not have an '05 girls team.
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Post by Bird's Eye View on 22/01/13, 09:09 am

Although concerned_parent has a few valid points, there's always two sides of a story. I agree that before you post your warnings on the forum, you need to get your facts straight. Voicing a complaint to NTSSA first would have been a better choice. This is not the website to be wrong or throw another Club under the bus regardless if they're young Club or not. You need to do your homework or look out!
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Post by TatonkaBurger on 22/01/13, 10:19 am

So, what exactly does “Take them out of the play, step in front of the ball if you have to” mean? I’m no soccer expert and I know this coach is “mis-understood at times and might say things that I would not during a game…”, but what is a 7 year old supposed to do when given that instruction?
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Post by go99 on 22/01/13, 10:27 am

when the player tries to dribble by as the ball seperates, step between the dribbler and the ball (there by taking them out of the play) and win the ball. Could mean marking the player on defense so you can take them out of the play and step in front of the ball to keep them from getting the pass. Could mean a number of things. Nice first post though Very Happy
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Post by ballhead on 22/01/13, 10:34 am

Where is concerned_parent? One post to express his/her concerns then off in cyberspace?

Or just busy creating other new avatars.
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Post by TatonkaBurger on 22/01/13, 10:55 am

Hey you've got to start somewhere. I wish I could have been trolling these forums for years like you pros but I've been flipping burgers. Very Happy

And that's why I asked. There are lots of possible meanings there. If a 7 year old can handle them then I'm impressed. Good for her.
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Post by go99 on 22/01/13, 11:17 am

if a 7 yr old doesn't get the instructions then she is likely to do nothing. However and emotional adult in a game that is not going their way could see it as instructions to "hurt my kid" They could then respond by yelling and putting their fingers into someones face or make a new login ID and angrily post about a situation that seems to be mostly a group of adults behaving badly.
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