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Post by 10sDad on 30/04/13, 04:19 pm

So...will our girls have to play against boys whenever we play a team from CA? Apparently so...

http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=201320140AB1266&search_keywords=

10 years ago, you would have been called a homophobe and accused of "hate speech" if you even suggested this could be a result of the trending acceptance of what we now know as LGBT "rights"...

Boys playing on girls teams? Boys using the same locker room/showers/restrooms (aka "facilities") as girls? I really don't care how they identify themselves - this really is getting scary. Call me whatever name you want, but I don't like it. I really don't have a problem with the LGBT community per se, but I think this is just going too far...there has to be a better solution than this. Perhaps unisex locker rooms with individual shower/changing areas? Who pays for the remodel? "Bosom Buddies" and that kids movie about the boy wearing a wig and playing on a girls team were supposed to be absurdist humor...not reality.

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Post by Guest on 30/04/13, 04:26 pm

10sDad wrote:So...will our girls have to play against boys whenever we play a team from CA? Apparently so...

http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=201320140AB1266&search_keywords=

10 years ago, you would have been called a homophobe and accused of "hate speech" if you even suggested this could be a result of the trending acceptance of what we now know as LGBT "rights"...

Boys playing on girls teams? Boys using the same locker room/showers/restrooms (aka "facilities") as girls? I really don't care how they identify themselves - this really is getting scary. Call me whatever name you want, but I don't like it. I really don't have a problem with the LGBT community per se, but I think this is just going too far...there has to be a better solution than this. Perhaps unisex locker rooms with individual shower/changing areas? Who pays for the remodel? "Bosom Buddies" and that kids movie about the boy wearing a wig and playing on a girls team were supposed to be absurdist humor...not reality.


what happens when citizens don't stand up to pc nonsense.....

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Post by Guest on 30/04/13, 04:27 pm

That looks like someone is trying to open Pandoras box. I can imagine a young man of 12 or 13 years old saying he feels like a girl that day so he can not be refused the right to shower and change in the girls locker room.

Are you serious California?

Wonder if this will do away with the whole title 9 thing as that is based entirely on gender? So much for money for girls sports. We shall have gender neutral teams....


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Post by 10sDad on 30/04/13, 04:58 pm

And here I thought testosterone was a banned substance in women's sports...guess not anymore, huh?

I guess all the women athletes will be looking like the East German olympic team soon.
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Post by SD69 on 30/04/13, 05:01 pm

Just a bunch of lawmakers trying to justify their existence instead of doing something useful. It serves to occupy the voters mind instead of California's debt.
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Post by Hook It on 30/04/13, 06:32 pm

10sDad wrote:So...will our girls have to play against boys whenever we play a team from CA? Apparently so...

http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=201320140AB1266&search_keywords=

10 years ago, you would have been called a homophobe and accused of "hate speech" if you even suggested this could be a result of the trending acceptance of what we now know as LGBT "rights"...

Boys playing on girls teams? Boys using the same locker room/showers/restrooms (aka "facilities") as girls? I really don't care how they identify themselves - this really is getting scary. Call me whatever name you want, but I don't like it. I really don't have a problem with the LGBT community per se, but I think this is just going too far...there has to be a better solution than this. Perhaps unisex locker rooms with individual shower/changing areas? Who pays for the remodel? "Bosom Buddies" and that kids movie about the boy wearing a wig and playing on a girls team were supposed to be absurdist humor...not reality.


Read it: not seeing it as anything more than trying to keep it equal for boys and girls in related activities, meaning that if something is offered to Girls it must be made available to boys and visa versa.

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Post by the7wolf on 30/04/13, 08:07 pm

It's California.

I'm somewhat surprised they still have competitive sports in case the whole winning/losing dynamic hurts somebody's feelings and they sue for $500M.

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Post by SD69 on 30/04/13, 08:16 pm

Hook It wrote:
10sDad wrote:So...will our girls have to play against boys whenever we play a team from CA? Apparently so...

http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=201320140AB1266&search_keywords=

10 years ago, you would have been called a homophobe and accused of "hate speech" if you even suggested this could be a result of the trending acceptance of what we now know as LGBT "rights"...

Boys playing on girls teams? Boys using the same locker room/showers/restrooms (aka "facilities") as girls? I really don't care how they identify themselves - this really is getting scary. Call me whatever name you want, but I don't like it. I really don't have a problem with the LGBT community per se, but I think this is just going too far...there has to be a better solution than this. Perhaps unisex locker rooms with individual shower/changing areas? Who pays for the remodel? "Bosom Buddies" and that kids movie about the boy wearing a wig and playing on a girls team were supposed to be absurdist humor...not reality.


Read it: not seeing it as anything more than trying to keep it equal for boys and girls in related activities, meaning that if something is offered to Girls it must be made available to boys and visa versa.

Last line "and use facilities consistent with his or her gender identity, irrespective of the gender listed on the pupil’s records."

I read that just as OP did. Facilities could mean dressing room, bathroom, whatever.., and gender ID is what ever the person thinks he/she is.


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Post by the7wolf on 30/04/13, 08:22 pm

So some dude could wander in there to watch little girls changing and complain that he has gender confusion issues if confronted?

Somebody would be getting their gender confused butt kicked.

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Post by Guest on 30/04/13, 11:10 pm

10sDad wrote:So...will our girls have to play against boys whenever we play a team from CA? Apparently so...

http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=201320140AB1266&search_keywords=

10 years ago, you would have been called a homophobe and accused of "hate speech" if you even suggested this could be a result of the trending acceptance of what we now know as LGBT "rights"...

Boys playing on girls teams? Boys using the same locker room/showers/restrooms (aka "facilities") as girls? I really don't care how they identify themselves - this really is getting scary. Call me whatever name you want, but I don't like it. I really don't have a problem with the LGBT community per se, but I think this is just going too far...there has to be a better solution than this. Perhaps unisex locker rooms with individual shower/changing areas? Who pays for the remodel? "Bosom Buddies" and that kids movie about the boy wearing a wig and playing on a girls team were supposed to be absurdist humor...not reality.



What 10's dad said x 2.

Gender identity is an oxymoron. A male is a male and a female is a female. I can decide I not longer identify myself as a human but instead am actually an Emu. That doesn't make it so. As for gender, chromosomes don't lie. There are nutjob people out there who have truly convinced themselves everyone should be accepted according to how they perceive themselves. What a mess. I'd have more respect for a freak who simply admits he can't control his fetishes instead of someone claiming "the right" to be recognized according to an oddball choice he made about how to present himself. Weirdos.

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Post by Hook It on 30/04/13, 11:22 pm

Xara wrote:
10sDad wrote:So...will our girls have to play against boys whenever we play a team from CA? Apparently so...

http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=201320140AB1266&search_keywords=

10 years ago, you would have been called a homophobe and accused of "hate speech" if you even suggested this could be a result of the trending acceptance of what we now know as LGBT "rights"...

Boys playing on girls teams? Boys using the same locker room/showers/restrooms (aka "facilities") as girls? I really don't care how they identify themselves - this really is getting scary. Call me whatever name you want, but I don't like it. I really don't have a problem with the LGBT community per se, but I think this is just going too far...there has to be a better solution than this. Perhaps unisex locker rooms with individual shower/changing areas? Who pays for the remodel? "Bosom Buddies" and that kids movie about the boy wearing a wig and playing on a girls team were supposed to be absurdist humor...not reality.


What 10's dad said x 2.

Gender identity is an oxymoron. A male is a male and a female is a female. I can decide I not longer identify myself as a human but instead am actually an Emu. That doesn't make it so. As for gender, chromosomes don't lie. There are nutjob people out there who have truly convinced themselves everyone should be accepted according to how they perceive themselves. What a mess. I'd have more respect for a freak who simply admits he can't control his fetishes instead of someone claiming "the right" to be recognized according to an oddball choice he made about how to present himself. Weirdos.


Not sure how they could possibly manage the liability of mixing genders in the same locker rooms - another cluster You are the the sex you are unless you surgically change your junk.

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Post by Guest on 01/05/13, 08:11 am

"Not sure how they could possibly manage the liability of mixing genders in the same locker rooms - another cluster You are the the sex you are unless you surgically change your junk."

But even then, it's just cosmetic surgery. A female will still have XX and a male XY chromosomes. Their hormonal systems will still be entirely different unless constantly augmented artificially. And the fact is a human being born male cannot produce offspring in his body despite the "best" that modern medicine has to offer.

Gender identity is the equivalent to house paint. It may change the appearance but has nothing to do with the structure. Yet our society leans further and further toward granting special status to and recognition of people that have made choices in life to present themselves as something other than what they are.

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Post by Hook It on 01/05/13, 08:25 am

Xara wrote:"Not sure how they could possibly manage the liability of mixing genders in the same locker rooms - another cluster You are the the sex you are unless you surgically change your junk."

But even then, it's just cosmetic surgery. A female will still have XX and a male XY chromosomes. Their hormonal systems will still be entirely different unless constantly augmented artificially. And the fact is a human being born male cannot produce offspring in his body despite the "best" that modern medicine has to offer.

Gender identity is the equivalent to house paint. It may change the appearance but has nothing to do with the structure. Yet our society leans further and further toward granting special status to and recognition of people that have made choices in life to present themselves as something other than what they are.
I agree completely - I travel to CA from time to time a great place to visit, but I could never live there! We have plenty of office puns about the land of fruits and nuts, It is another great example. I do however do not think this could be applicable to minors.... but that probably my naivety,

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Post by 10sDad on 01/05/13, 08:28 am

News Flash: David Beckham just announced he feels like a 10 year old girl, and will be playing for Liverpool in the LHGCL qualifying tournament later this summer. lol!
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Post by Hook It on 01/05/13, 08:34 am

10sDad wrote:News Flash: David Beckham just announced he feels like a 10 year old girl, and will be playing for Liverpool in the LHGCL qualifying tournament later this summer. lol!

He is one of the few who could afford the surgery to change himself into a 10yr old girl affraid affraid scratch

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Post by 10sDad on 01/05/13, 08:44 am

But seriously, you can't fight the facts. A boy is a boy and a girl is a girl. Any doctor that performs a gender reassignment surgery on a minor or prescribes hormonal therapy on a minor, regardless of parental approval would lose their medical license because it is impossible to provide enough psychological counseling to someone under the age of 20. Therefore, there are no "true" transgendered students in high school...period.

Men, by nature, are stronger athletes. Sure, there are the exceptions of women that could compete in men's athletics, but they are few and far between - and those are handled on a case by case basis, usually with support from the team and the community. However, an average male athlete could easily compete in the girls sport, and usually excel primarily due to genetics. These are facts.

Therefore, even if the boy dresses like a girl, takes on a girl's name, etc...they still have the biology of a male, and should not be allowed to participate in girls sports in my opinion. After the East Germany scandal, the Olympics has been struggling with how to measure and enforce the levels of testosterone in women athletes, to combat this unfair advantage. If a transgendered athlete is allowed to participate, how to you make sure "she" does not have a competitive advantage, when elevated levels of testosterone occurs naturally in "her" body?

Don't even get me started about the facilities...that's just plain nuts.
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Post by Guest on 01/05/13, 09:00 am

10sDad wrote:But seriously, you can't fight the facts. A boy is a boy and a girl is a girl. Any doctor that performs a gender reassignment surgery on a minor or prescribes hormonal therapy on a minor, regardless of parental approval would lose their medical license because it is impossible to provide enough psychological counseling to someone under the age of 20. Therefore, there are no "true" transgendered students in high school...period.

Men, by nature, are stronger athletes. Sure, there are the exceptions of women that could compete in men's athletics, but they are few and far between - and those are handled on a case by case basis, usually with support from the team and the community. However, an average male athlete could easily compete in the girls sport, and usually excel primarily due to genetics. These are facts.

Therefore, even if the boy dresses like a girl, takes on a girl's name, etc...they still have the biology of a male, and should not be allowed to participate in girls sports in my opinion. After the East Germany scandal, the Olympics has been struggling with how to measure and enforce the levels of testosterone in women athletes, to combat this unfair advantage. If a transgendered athlete is allowed to participate, how to you make sure "she" does not have a competitive advantage, when elevated levels of testosterone occurs naturally in "her" body?

Don't even get me started about the facilities...that's just plain nuts.


Its actually quite easy. Allow people to only play with their real gender that they were born with. Period. End of story. It is utterly ridiculous to completely upset the apple cart for freaks.think you are a girl? Great. Have a seat in the stands and watch. Need to go to the bathroom?, fine go to your real bathroom. NO ACCOMMODATION....

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Post by John Galt on 01/05/13, 12:11 pm

The schools and the state are broke. This should kill off school sports (at least girls sports) in California which will save the state money that they can then apply to free tuition for illeagle aliens. In the future it won't be nearly as important for the US to control the southern border as it will be the eastern border of California.

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Post by Anarchy on 01/05/13, 02:43 pm

10sDad wrote:News Flash: David Beckham just announced he feels like a 10 year old girl, and will be playing for Liverpool in the LHGCL qualifying tournament later this summer. lol!

Shouldn't this be Suarez... He's the one biting other kids on the playground!

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Post by upper95 on 01/05/13, 03:19 pm

John Galt wrote: In the future it won't be nearly as important for the US to control the southern border as it will be the eastern border of California.


Astute observation, even in jest. The ultimate in leftist tyranny is to keep people who don't agree with the progressive/socialist agenda from leaving, e.g. East Berlin.

Back to the issue... maybe individuals should be divided based on estrogen and testosterone levels and not physical attributes or chromosomes. Rolling Eyes


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Post by Packrabbit on 01/05/13, 07:28 pm

John Galt wrote:The schools and the state are broke. This should kill off school sports (at least girls sports) in California which will save the state money that they can then apply to free tuition for illeagle aliens. In the future it won't be nearly as important for the US to control the southern border as it will be the eastern border of California.


Easy Galt, its best to stay away from the immigration debate and stick with California and its gender issue. Your immigration facts are as good as your spelling.

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Post by John Galt on 02/05/13, 10:42 am

Thanks for the critique. I don't see however that my spelling is any worse than your comprehension.
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Post by Packrabbit on 02/05/13, 05:06 pm

John Galt wrote:Thanks for the critique. I don't see however that my spelling is any worse than your comprehension.

You're probably right... sorry for the snappy comeback... I've been a little sensitive lately, think my estrogen and chromosomes levels have been out of whack lately. Embarassed
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Post by SD69 on 14/08/13, 10:29 am

Looks like this was signed into CA law:

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/highschool-prep-rally/california-law-let-transgender-student-athletes-choose-compete-101139096.html
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Post by Guest on 14/08/13, 10:48 am

soccerdad1969 wrote:Looks like this was signed into CA law:

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/highschool-prep-rally/california-law-let-transgender-student-athletes-choose-compete-101139096.html
more liberal nonsense from Kalifornia, God Bless Texas...

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