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'03 Girls FBR Rankings - 06-25-13

Post by Guest on Tue Jun 25, 2013 1:12 am

Current Rankings include game results from March 8, 2013 through PRESENT



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Re: '03 Girls FBR Rankings - 06-25-13

Post by SolarPower00 on Tue Jun 25, 2013 8:57 am

When a team that's not even a team anymore jumps 7 spots to #6
And with only 4 game results
That cheapens the whole FBR process IMO.

Whatever happened to the 03 Power Rankings?
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Re: '03 Girls FBR Rankings - 06-25-13

Post by GrandTXSoccer on Tue Jun 25, 2013 10:09 am

I was thinking the same thing SP. Note to all teams ranked 11 through 20, simply stop playing and disband and whatch how much better you get Smile

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Re: '03 Girls FBR Rankings - 06-25-13

Post by Till-I-Collapse on Tue Jun 25, 2013 10:38 am

We all know when older games fall off, the rankings automatically adjust. IMO there are a few "over ranked" teams between 5 - 20.  Time will tell ...
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Re: '03 Girls FBR Rankings - 06-25-13

Post by SD69 on Tue Jun 25, 2013 10:41 am

Till-I-Collapse wrote:We all know when older games fall off, the rankings automatically adjust. IMO there are a few "over ranked" teams between 5 - 20.  Time will tell ...
Yep. In about 1 month.
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Re: '03 Girls FBR Rankings - 06-25-13

Post by SolarPower00 on Tue Jun 25, 2013 10:48 am

I wouldn't expect any FBR updates until
King Tut....there's just not that many games to be played between now and July 19
So what you see is what you get.

So I disagree with the 'time will tell' philosophy
Not this time.
And I also disagree with any team with only 4 games being in the rankings 
(Not at this point of the season)
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Re: '03 Girls FBR Rankings - 06-25-13

Post by Just Curious on Tue Jun 25, 2013 10:50 am

do you mean 5 -20 or 6 -20 teams

who is over ranked in your mind?

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Re: '03 Girls FBR Rankings - 06-25-13

Post by Till-I-Collapse on Tue Jun 25, 2013 11:05 am

SP It has always been that way in the rankings. Why change now?  Isn't that what the qualifying tournaments are for?

I think time will tell which teams can provide the top 4 teams good, challenging games over the upcoming season --- not just dump and run.  IMO there are a quite a few teams in the 5-20 range that got there by playing dump and run.
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Re: '03 Girls FBR Rankings - 06-25-13

Post by Guest on Tue Jun 25, 2013 11:32 am

Well, I might as well drop SRSA Solca as well.  I mean, after all, they've only got 5 games and won't really be much of a factor come QT...

Is there a 2nd Solar team or isn't there?  I don't know.  Lots of rumors and speculation flying all over the place, and I'm not going to try and sort it out.  

The team was there this Spring, and until they drop below 3 games in their history, and they don't show up in some form signed up for King TUT, Puma Cup or QT, they will remain in the rankings.

If you don't think the team exists, then simply throw them out in your mind and bump your favorite team up 1 spot in the rankings.

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Post by soccer22 on Tue Jun 25, 2013 11:47 am

bwgophers.... how is Andromeda 03 Grado still number 33 won their games in Kyle Owens and were in Championship game? Do you go by tourneys too?

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Re: '03 Girls FBR Rankings - 06-25-13

Post by GrandTXSoccer on Tue Jun 25, 2013 11:55 am

You see and hear it almost everytime you go out and watch a game. I watched a game this weekend at railroad park that included two teams in that 6-25 range I believe and I can't tell you how many times I heard parents cheering when some defender just booted the ball long down the line and then it was off to the races. It really made for some ugly, boring soccer.

In my opinion 1-5 are pretty set, sure you can swap 2 & 3 or 4 & 5 but it's really just splitting hairs. After that most of the teams rely on one fast girl to score for them and some big defender in the back to just whack the ball. Now if you talk to their parents they all seem to think they are "more of a possesion based team and not some kickball team" when in reality there's probably only a few teams in this age group that actually have a clue about switching the field, playing the ball back out of pressure and generally trying to keep possesion of the ball.

The more consistent teams are the ones that play better soccer, it's really quite simple. Yes they might have some better players but at age 10 there's still not a huge physical advantage between the girls. It comes back to coaching and the top teams generally have better coaching, or at least I'd say they've had the same coach for a longer period of time. Now if you've had the same coach for the past 3 years and your team has never improved, guess what you've pretty much wasted your money and paid good money so your daughter could make friends and have a bunch of sleepovers.

At this point I agree, we know what we know and short of a team just imploding (which I think there's a likelyhood of at least a few teams going that route) King Tut's not going to tell us anything about teams 1-5 we don't already know. Basically for the past year those teams have been the top 5 teams.

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Re: '03 Girls FBR Rankings - 06-25-13

Post by Guest on Tue Jun 25, 2013 12:16 pm

soccer22 wrote:bwgophers.... how is Andromeda 03 Grado still number 33 won their games in Kyle Owens and were in Championship game? Do you go by tourneys too?

Andromeda Grado tied the #30 team, beat #29 and #41 by a score of 1-0 and beat #45 by a score 2-0.  How high do you want a team to move for those results?  Just asking.

Plus, just be patient.  Every team has their chance to prove their worth in the next month.  Thirty teams will make LHGCL and the others will not.  Rankings won't matter - just how the girls play.


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Post by SolarPower00 on Tue Jun 25, 2013 12:36 pm

This is why it matters:

1)Some talented kids will be looking for a new team this week...and some teams on here are undervalued and consequently less attractive

2)LHGCL may refer to this week's FBR  (and QT seeding is kind of important)

Did I just open that can of worms again
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Post by SD69 on Tue Jun 25, 2013 12:43 pm

SolarPower00 wrote:This is why it matters:

1)Some talented kids will be looking for a new team this week...and some teams on here are undervalued and consequently less attractive

2)LHGCL may refer to this week's FBR  (and QT seeding is kind of important)

Did I just open that can of worms again
From what I understand, FBR is just for our benefit only. LH only considers Tut and Puma tourneys for seeding.
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Post by Guest on Tue Jun 25, 2013 12:45 pm

SolarPower00 wrote:This is why it matters:

1)Some talented kids will be looking for a new team this week...and some teams on here are undervalued 
2)LHGCL may refer to this FBR  (and QT seeding is kind of important)

Did I just open that can of worms again

I was saying the rankings won't matter a month from now.  I personally love them and will miss them.  But just for fun:

1) How many talented kids are still looking?  Really - just asking.  "You" have a talented kid and "you" have not done all of your looking yet?  And you are looking based on ranking?  If you are using rankings look at the points and see that there is not a huge amount of difference between large clusters of teams.  So if a team is undervalued by 15 spots maybe that would be misleading.

2)  I believe Gophers is pretty quick to say that he knows no connection between FBR and QT seedings.

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Post by SolarPower00 on Tue Jun 25, 2013 12:56 pm

In regard to #1:I should have clarified....still cuts to be done with a few teams.
We're not talking about game changers, but decent players that can help a LH calibre team.
I've seen examples of it  this week already

#2:  you might be surprised
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Post by turftoe9 on Tue Jun 25, 2013 1:02 pm

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SolarPower00 wrote:This is why it matters:

1)Some talented kids will be looking for a new team this week...and some teams on here are undervalued and consequently less attractive

2)LHGCL may refer to this week's FBR  (and QT seeding is kind of important)

Did I just open that can of worms again
From what I understand, FBR is just for our benefit only. LH only considers Tut and Puma tourneys for seeding.

 Not true! LH will send reps out to any scrimmage that they know about.
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Re: '03 Girls FBR Rankings - 06-25-13

Post by outonthelimb on Tue Jun 25, 2013 1:03 pm

GrandTXSoccer wrote:You see and hear it almost everytime you go out and watch a game. I watched a game this weekend at railroad park that included two teams in that 6-25 range I believe and I can't tell you how many times I heard parents cheering when some defender just booted the ball long down the line and then it was off to the races. It really made for some ugly, boring soccer.

In my opinion 1-5 are pretty set, sure you can swap 2 & 3 or 4 & 5 but it's really just splitting hairs. After that most of the teams rely on one fast girl to score for them and some big defender in the back to just whack the ball. Now if you talk to their parents they all seem to think they are "more of a possesion based team and not some kickball team" when in reality there's probably only a few teams in this age group that actually have a clue about switching the field, playing the ball back out of pressure and generally trying to keep possesion of the ball.

The more consistent teams are the ones that play better soccer, it's really quite simple. Yes they might have some better players but at age 10 there's still not a huge physical advantage between the girls. It comes back to coaching and the top teams generally have better coaching, or at least I'd say they've had the same coach for a longer period of time. Now if you've had the same coach for the past 3 years and your team has never improved, guess what you've pretty much wasted your money and paid good money so your daughter could make friends and have a bunch of sleepovers.

At this point I agree, we know what we know and short of a team just imploding (which I think there's a likelyhood of at least a few teams going that route) King Tut's not going to tell us anything about teams 1-5 we don't already know. Basically for the past year those teams have been the top 5 teams.
I'd agree with most of your post but there's a team that's ranked oh about #14 (in the FBR) that ended 2012 #5 in the FBR (and was consistently around that # for the better part of the academy years) which you'd be hard pressed to find anyone that actually watches games (not just quotes the FBR) that would say they haven't always been possession oriented.  Now were they successful at that style of play? Not always as imo they were missing a lot of fundamental technical components that are critical to being successful at a possession style.  This was especially apparent in 2013 win/loss when the catalyst was out Feb-May. 

Sting Hilton (then Mendoza) is not a top 5 team as those teams have added a lot of firepower in the last 5-6 mths and proven themselves worthy of such distinction time and time again.  However, they shouldn't be lumped into a category of 'After that most of the teams rely on one fast girl to score for them and some big defender in the back to just whack the ball.'
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Re: '03 Girls FBR Rankings - 06-25-13

Post by turftoe9 on Tue Jun 25, 2013 1:07 pm

outonthelimb wrote:
GrandTXSoccer wrote:You see and hear it almost everytime you go out and watch a game. I watched a game this weekend at railroad park that included two teams in that 6-25 range I believe and I can't tell you how many times I heard parents cheering when some defender just booted the ball long down the line and then it was off to the races. It really made for some ugly, boring soccer.

In my opinion 1-5 are pretty set, sure you can swap 2 & 3 or 4 & 5 but it's really just splitting hairs. After that most of the teams rely on one fast girl to score for them and some big defender in the back to just whack the ball. Now if you talk to their parents they all seem to think they are "more of a possesion based team and not some kickball team" when in reality there's probably only a few teams in this age group that actually have a clue about switching the field, playing the ball back out of pressure and generally trying to keep possesion of the ball.

The more consistent teams are the ones that play better soccer, it's really quite simple. Yes they might have some better players but at age 10 there's still not a huge physical advantage between the girls. It comes back to coaching and the top teams generally have better coaching, or at least I'd say they've had the same coach for a longer period of time. Now if you've had the same coach for the past 3 years and your team has never improved, guess what you've pretty much wasted your money and paid good money so your daughter could make friends and have a bunch of sleepovers.

At this point I agree, we know what we know and short of a team just imploding (which I think there's a likelyhood of at least a few teams going that route) King Tut's not going to tell us anything about teams 1-5 we don't already know. Basically for the past year those teams have been the top 5 teams.
I'd agree with most of your post but there's a team that's ranked oh about #14 (in the FBR) that ended 2012 #5 in the FBR (and was consistently around that # for the better part of the academy years) which you'd be hard pressed to find anyone that actually watches games (not just quotes the FBR) that would say they haven't always been possession oriented.  Now were they successful at that style of play? Not always as imo they were missing a lot of fundamental technical components that are critical to being successful at a possession style.  This was especially apparent in 2013 win/loss when the catalyst was out Feb-May. 

Sting Hilton (then Mendoza) is not a top 5 team as those teams have added a lot of firepower in the last 5-6 mths and proven themselves worthy of such distinction time and time again.  However, they shouldn't be lumped into a category of 'After that most of the teams rely on one fast girl to score for them and some big defender in the back to just whack the ball.'

 Are you saying they don't have either?
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Post by Guest on Tue Jun 25, 2013 1:18 pm

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#2:  you might be surprised

I know I would be.  I have 2 years worth of comparisons between FBR Rankings and QT seeding that show pretty clearly that LHGCL doesn't pay much attention to them when it comes to QT seeding.  I'd post the info, but am limited to smart-phone access only until this evening.

I personally think you give me far tooooooo much credit, but if you and others in the '03 world fear and loath any real and/or implied influence of the mighty FBR, you have no one to blame but yourselves for not offering up any alternatives to balance whatever inequities or shortcomings FBR might have.

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Post by outonthelimb on Tue Jun 25, 2013 1:23 pm

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outonthelimb wrote:
GrandTXSoccer wrote:You see and hear it almost everytime you go out and watch a game. I watched a game this weekend at railroad park that included two teams in that 6-25 range I believe and I can't tell you how many times I heard parents cheering when some defender just booted the ball long down the line and then it was off to the races. It really made for some ugly, boring soccer.

In my opinion 1-5 are pretty set, sure you can swap 2 & 3 or 4 & 5 but it's really just splitting hairs. After that most of the teams rely on one fast girl to score for them and some big defender in the back to just whack the ball. Now if you talk to their parents they all seem to think they are "more of a possesion based team and not some kickball team" when in reality there's probably only a few teams in this age group that actually have a clue about switching the field, playing the ball back out of pressure and generally trying to keep possesion of the ball.

The more consistent teams are the ones that play better soccer, it's really quite simple. Yes they might have some better players but at age 10 there's still not a huge physical advantage between the girls. It comes back to coaching and the top teams generally have better coaching, or at least I'd say they've had the same coach for a longer period of time. Now if you've had the same coach for the past 3 years and your team has never improved, guess what you've pretty much wasted your money and paid good money so your daughter could make friends and have a bunch of sleepovers.

At this point I agree, we know what we know and short of a team just imploding (which I think there's a likelyhood of at least a few teams going that route) King Tut's not going to tell us anything about teams 1-5 we don't already know. Basically for the past year those teams have been the top 5 teams.
I'd agree with most of your post but there's a team that's ranked oh about #14 (in the FBR) that ended 2012 #5 in the FBR (and was consistently around that # for the better part of the academy years) which you'd be hard pressed to find anyone that actually watches games (not just quotes the FBR) that would say they haven't always been possession oriented.  Now were they successful at that style of play? Not always as imo they were missing a lot of fundamental technical components that are critical to being successful at a possession style.  This was especially apparent in 2013 win/loss when the catalyst was out Feb-May. 

Sting Hilton (then Mendoza) is not a top 5 team as those teams have added a lot of firepower in the last 5-6 mths and proven themselves worthy of such distinction time and time again.  However, they shouldn't be lumped into a category of 'After that most of the teams rely on one fast girl to score for them and some big defender in the back to just whack the ball.'

 Are you saying they don't have either?
Yeap.  Also note that my grading scale is very harsh and holds no bias.  Just because a girl may be able to get from point A to point B sooner than my DD doesn't make her fast.  Also, the biggest girl on our team plays CM whereas the big leg on the team plays outside mid/winger
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Post by SD69 on Tue Jun 25, 2013 1:23 pm

turftoe9 wrote:
soccerdad1969 wrote:
SolarPower00 wrote:This is why it matters:

1)Some talented kids will be looking for a new team this week...and some teams on here are undervalued and consequently less attractive

2)LHGCL may refer to this week's FBR  (and QT seeding is kind of important)

Did I just open that can of worms again
From what I understand, FBR is just for our benefit only. LH only considers Tut and Puma tourneys for seeding.

 Not true! LH will send reps out to any scrimmage that they know about.
My point was that the seeding committee doesn't use FBR. There was someone posting on here last season from LH or someone that knew someone's cousin or something like that who gave some pretty good details on what was used. Seems I remember they would come out to friendly's to help determine seeding. They were also emphatic that FBR was NOT used.
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Post by SD69 on Tue Jun 25, 2013 1:25 pm

bwgophers wrote:
SolarPower00 wrote:

#2:  you might be surprised

I know I would be.  I have 2 years worth of comparisons between FBR Rankings and QT seeding that show pretty clearly that LHGCL doesn't pay much attention to them when it comes to QT seeding.  I'd post the info, but am limited to smart-phone access only until this evening.

I personally think you give me far tooooooo much credit, but if you and others in the '03 world fear and loath any real and/or implied influence of the mighty FBR, you have no one to blame but yourselves for not offering up any alternatives to balance whatever inequities or shortcomings FBR might have.
You might need to start wearing kevlar before leaving the house at this time next year Cool
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Post by outonthelimb on Tue Jun 25, 2013 1:26 pm

bwgophers wrote:
SolarPower00 wrote:

#2:  you might be surprised

I know I would be.  I have 2 years worth of comparisons between FBR Rankings and QT seeding that show pretty clearly that LHGCL doesn't pay much attention to them when it comes to QT seeding.  I'd post the info, but am limited to smart-phone access only until this evening.

I personally think you give me far tooooooo much credit, but if you and others in the '03 world fear and loath any real and/or implied influence of the mighty FBR, you have no one to blame but yourselves for not offering up any alternatives to balance whatever inequities or shortcomings FBR might have.
I agree.... :-) Trust me, I certainly don't fear a ranking system.  If a team doesn't qualify it's because they weren't capable, not because of a bad seeding.
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Post by SolarPower00 on Tue Jun 25, 2013 1:33 pm

I think that's accurate

However, I believe a bad seeding can prevent a team from qualifying in the first weekend.

 example:  a #7 or 8 seed has much easier row to hoe in weekend one ....than #13 or 14.
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