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Re: 03 QT Change

Post by SolarPower00 on 01/08/13, 04:44 pm

All it takes is one parent to lie, deceive, and cheat and the entire team pays the price.
It can happen to any team out there.

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Re: 03 QT Change

Post by Guest on 01/08/13, 05:38 pm

"Getting to the point that they need to do roster checks at each game. I'm sure they weren't the only ones last weekend that had something questionable going on with their roster, they were just the only ones that got caught."

i disagree, the vast majority of people would not do this. Those people that do are the worst because they cause us to lose faith in the system.That is why those caught should be made an example of, if you condone it or look the other way you are just as guilty, and that's what cheaters count on, others doing nothing....

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Post by lakeaddict on 01/08/13, 05:40 pm

Oh no! That is so sad and not fair for the team. Does this mean that all the girls/ coach on the team are out of LHCL for the year or can other teams from the league pick up some of the players? Does the whole team go plano premier? What typically happens?
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Post by Till-I-Collapse on 01/08/13, 06:14 pm

Makes me wonder how long they have been doing this and getting away with it. It is extremely unfortunate for those who did not truly know.
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Post by mommabear1 on 01/08/13, 06:32 pm

pro16 wrote:Heard that coach was unaware and has been cleared. Anybody know if that's accurate?

You're part of the Sting Central group...seems you'd be most likely to be "in the know."


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Re: 03 QT Change

Post by pro16 on 01/08/13, 06:35 pm

Just hearing buzz like others

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Post by 12monkeys on 01/08/13, 06:47 pm

Begs the question...will he be the scapegoat...or will the S&*t roll up hill?

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Post by greendoot on 01/08/13, 06:53 pm

Might be wise to check all the Sting rosters, lots of moving parts there...

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Post by keeperdad2003 on 01/08/13, 07:21 pm

If the team didn't know about it and it was solely the parent/DD .... How unfair to punish the entire team. I don't have a dog in this hunt. We are not on this team... Not did we play them. But it seems ridiculous that teams are suppose to know if a document is forged or not.
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Post by TripDDs on 01/08/13, 07:32 pm

keeperdad2003 wrote:If the team didn't know about it and it was solely the parent/DD  .... How unfair to punish the entire team. I don't have a dog in this hunt. We are not on this team... Not did we play them. But it seems ridiculous that teams are suppose to know if a document is forged or not.  

More unfair to punish the teams they played. Besides, I would think it is a loooooong shot to think that someone didn't know. Coach, maybe not...Manager, probably....some other parents, I bet. This wasn't one family doing it alone, if so, it wouldn't have been caught.
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Re: 03 QT Change

Post by pro16 on 01/08/13, 07:50 pm

League registrars. They verify and sign off.

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Post by 12monkeys on 01/08/13, 07:55 pm

Most likely too many other people actually knew about this one and the 'powers that be' could no longer look the other way...

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Re: 03 QT Change

Post by Rex Ryan Ate My Hamster on 01/08/13, 08:27 pm

Just so we know what sandbox we’re playing in:

Falsification of a birth certificate or knowingly presenting or using a falsified birth certificate is a violation of Chapter 37.10 of the Texas Penal Code.  Depending on the circumstances, penalties range from a Class A Misdemeanor (1 year in jail, $4,000 fine) up to a Second Degree Felony (up to 20 yrs in jail, 2 year minimum and a $10,000 fine).   I have zero knowledge of the facts and am not alleging that anything actually happened here, but if what’s described on this board is true that could constitute what is lovingly referred to in Texas as a “State Jail Felony” (2 yrs in jail, 180 day minimum and a $10,000 fine).   The language of the statute is very broad, under some circumstances it could possibly apply to people other than a parent - a coach, a team manager or a club official as well if they had actual knowledge of the false birth certificate.  

For your reading pleasure:  http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/Docs/PE/htm/PE.37.htm#37.10  

Although prosecution may not be likely under these circumstances, why would anyone do this for 10 year old soccer???   Or for any other purpose???    Worst.  Decision.  Ever.  

First-time poster but this got my attention like nothing else on this board ever has.   Again, I am in no way alleging or implying that anything happened here, nor that the club, coach, manager or other parents had any knowledge and am not advocating that anyone be prosecuted in this context, just want the possible consequences to be known so that people don’t make this very bad decision.
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Re: 03 QT Change

Post by tornado11 on 01/08/13, 09:29 pm

03soccermomtx wrote:If that truly happened, I feel sad for the other 13-15 players on the team that will have their hearts broken.....

Probably the parents are the ones with the 'broken hearts'....chances are the kids don't give a rat's arse where or who they play....they just want to PLAY the game...

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Re: 03 QT Change

Post by tornado11 on 01/08/13, 09:32 pm

03eagle wrote:Sadly, this seems too common.  Same or similar thing happened in the 02 boys Classic qualifier, but it appears that the Classic Board let that team/coach get away with it in that instance.  

..probably a Texan's team....that lot basically run the classic league anyway....

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Re: 03 QT Change

Post by 12monkeys on 01/08/13, 09:47 pm

Rex Ryan Ate My Hamster wrote:Just so we know what sandbox we’re playing in:

Falsification of a birth certificate or knowingly presenting or using a falsified birth certificate is a violation of Chapter 37.10 of the Texas Penal Code.  Depending on the circumstances, penalties range from a Class A Misdemeanor (1 year in jail, $4,000 fine) up to a Second Degree Felony (up to 20 yrs in jail, 2 year minimum and a $10,000 fine).   I have zero knowledge of the facts and am not alleging that anything actually happened here, but if what’s described on this board is true that could constitute what is lovingly referred to in Texas as a “State Jail Felony” (2 yrs in jail, 180 day minimum and a $10,000 fine).   The language of the statute is very broad, under some circumstances it could possibly apply to people other than a parent - a coach, a team manager or a club official as well if they had actual knowledge of the false birth certificate.  

For your reading pleasure:  http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/Docs/PE/htm/PE.37.htm#37.10  

Although prosecution may not be likely under these circumstances, why would anyone do this for 10 year old soccer???   Or for any other purpose???    Worst.  Decision.  Ever.  

First-time poster but this got my attention like nothing else on this board ever has.   Again, I am in no way alleging or implying that anything happened here, nor that the club, coach, manager or other parents had any knowledge and am not advocating that anyone be prosecuted in this context, just want the possible consequences to be known so that people don’t make this very bad decision.

Wow...what if there were 2 illegal players?
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Post by EyeSnapPhotos on 01/08/13, 10:14 pm

12monkeys wrote:
Rex Ryan Ate My Hamster wrote:Just so we know what sandbox we’re playing in:

Falsification of a birth certificate or knowingly presenting or using a falsified birth certificate is a violation of Chapter 37.10 of the Texas Penal Code.  Depending on the circumstances, penalties range from a Class A Misdemeanor (1 year in jail, $4,000 fine) up to a Second Degree Felony (up to 20 yrs in jail, 2 year minimum and a $10,000 fine).   I have zero knowledge of the facts and am not alleging that anything actually happened here, but if what’s described on this board is true that could constitute what is lovingly referred to in Texas as a “State Jail Felony” (2 yrs in jail, 180 day minimum and a $10,000 fine).   The language of the statute is very broad, under some circumstances it could possibly apply to people other than a parent - a coach, a team manager or a club official as well if they had actual knowledge of the false birth certificate.  

For your reading pleasure:  http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/Docs/PE/htm/PE.37.htm#37.10  

Although prosecution may not be likely under these circumstances, why would anyone do this for 10 year old soccer???   Or for any other purpose???    Worst.  Decision.  Ever.  

First-time poster but this got my attention like nothing else on this board ever has.   Again, I am in no way alleging or implying that anything happened here, nor that the club, coach, manager or other parents had any knowledge and am not advocating that anyone be prosecuted in this context, just want the possible consequences to be known so that people don’t make this very bad decision.

Wow...what if there were 2 illegal players?
I would guess it might be twice as bad.
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Re: 03 QT Change

Post by 12monkeys on 01/08/13, 10:15 pm

Hah!

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Post by FastPitch on 01/08/13, 10:17 pm

If 1 kid, the DD should be ban from LH for two years. If two players, the ban should go to the coach and Director. This behavior should be dealt with severely. How arrogant, Who do thy think they are....the President of the United States?

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Post by 12monkeys on 01/08/13, 10:29 pm

Interesting...could be worth a look considering the idea of getting away with it seems to have been part of the thought process...

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Post by EyeSnapPhotos on 01/08/13, 10:35 pm

FastPitch wrote:If 1 kid, the DD should be ban from LH for two years. If two players, the ban should go to the coach and Director.  This behavior should be dealt with severely.  How arrogant, Who do thy think they are....the President of the United States?

Why just LH? What effect could this same thing do to the other leagues?
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Post by lakeaddict on 01/08/13, 10:46 pm

Tornado:
The kids get what qualifying is. They have been preparing/training for this tournament for a long time. I'm sure they have been excited about the tournament and now are being told that although they worked hard they are disqualified for whatever reason
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Post by 12monkeys on 01/08/13, 11:13 pm

FastPitch wrote:If two players, the ban should go to the coach and Director.  This behavior should be dealt with severely.

sounds reasonable...
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Post by SolarPower00 on 01/08/13, 11:27 pm

turboblaster wrote:There is at least 1 other 03 Sting girl whose age was questioned last weekend.  I never heard the outcome of that investigation.

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If two players, the ban should go to the coach and Director. This behavior should be dealt with severely.



Not the same team

So enough with the 2 player speculation.
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Post by 12monkeys on 01/08/13, 11:38 pm

Very quick to dismiss. Interesting comment nonetheless. Obvious that it indeed warrants further investigation by the proper 'powers'. People are sick of this kind of crap perpetuated by adults in youth sports.

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Post by Seven on 02/08/13, 06:39 am

turboblaster wrote:
FastPitch wrote: How arrogant, Who do thy think they are....the President of the United States?

While I agree that there were some interesting questions raised about the birth certificate in question, I think we would be best served by leaving local/state/national politics off this board.   There is way too much going on in the 03 soccer world to worry about that other one here.

If they wait a few months maybe they will be granted amnesty.
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