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Re: 03 QT Change

Post by Seven on Fri Aug 02, 2013 1:39 pm

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FastPitch wrote: How arrogant, Who do thy think they are....the President of the United States?

While I agree that there were some interesting questions raised about the birth certificate in question, I think we would be best served by leaving local/state/national politics off this board.   There is way too much going on in the 03 soccer world to worry about that other one here.

If they wait a few months maybe they will be granted amnesty.

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Post by 12monkeys on Fri Aug 02, 2013 3:05 pm

No, the other player I am referring to was NOT on another team. NEVER assume you know what another person is referring to (talk about arrogance). So now it sounds like there were a total of 3 in question from 1 club?

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Post by SolarPower00 on Fri Aug 02, 2013 3:12 pm

I love how you know so much, but end your statements with a question mark.
12monkeys, You have been misinformed
You need to cease and desist.
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Post by 12monkeys on Fri Aug 02, 2013 3:27 pm

Ahhh...another know it all. NO...I have not been 'misinformed'. You need to cease and desist assuming you know more than all else. No question mark there...

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Post by The grass is greener on Fri Aug 02, 2013 3:56 pm

Everyone knows the deceit, deception, multiple identities and cunning of the characters we all are entertained by – James Bond, Jason Bourne, etc... This is a sad day in Soccer when 15 innocent U11 players, our coach and our manager are punished for the work of one who has deceived. Not only did this individual deceive our team and our club; they deceived Lake Highlands Girls Classic Soccer as well as North Texas Soccer. We pay a fee to be input into the database of North Texas Soccer as a check and balance … We submit rosters for league play and tournaments as a check and balance… Lake Highlands verified and cleared our team, manager and coach, as we all did everything that we should have done correctly, by the book. This, unfortunately, could happen to any team – I sure hope it doesn’t, but it could. There is a fault in the system when this type of forgery is not caught and the sins of one are held to the entire group – guilty by association. I choose to believe that people are honest and good at heart and to give the benefit of the doubt, that this is not the norm but the exception. But in our case, one has had a grave impact on the many as we are not allowed to play in the second round of the QT at the time of this post. I am deeply saddened for our girls, as they have worked so hard for so long – not just this year, to be thwarted by the “system” and a single player and parent who had just joined our team. Put yourself in our shoes – it could happen to any team…

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Re: 03 QT Change

Post by keeperdad2003 on Fri Aug 02, 2013 4:05 pm

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turboblaster wrote:
FastPitch wrote: How arrogant, Who do thy think they are....the President of the United States?

While I agree that there were some interesting questions raised about the birth certificate in question, I think we would be best served by leaving local/state/national politics off this board.   There is way too much going on in the 03 soccer world to worry about that other one here.

If they wait a few months maybe they will be granted amnesty.

Yes but she may have to live in the airport in Russia
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Re: 03 QT Change

Post by Triumph FC on Fri Aug 02, 2013 4:07 pm

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pro16 wrote:Heard that coach was unaware and has been cleared. Anybody know if that's accurate?

I think that depends on one's perspective of "unaware" and "cleared".  After talking with a former parent on the team and some others claiming knowledge, it is a concerning set of circumstances.  On the BB Board, it seemed to be acknowledged that an illegal player was used, whether it was done "knowingly" seemed to be the issue.  There was no reply when several on point questions were asked on the Board.

Feel sorry for the rest of the girls but this post implies that it was known about. You can't blame the league, the team cheated others it played. Point the fingers at the adults who knowingly let this go on.
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Post by DDx3 on Fri Aug 02, 2013 4:10 pm

Judging the team, club, and other player’s parents is unjust. I highly doubt any other parents knew of these circumstances ahead of time. This is a good team that had a very good chance of making Lake Highlands. I wish all the parents and kids the best.

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Post by Triumph FC on Fri Aug 02, 2013 4:11 pm

The grass is greener wrote:Everyone knows the deceit, deception, multiple identities and cunning of the characters we all are entertained by – James Bond, Jason Bourne, etc...  This is a sad day in Soccer when 15 innocent U11 players, our coach and our manager are punished for the work of one who has deceived.  Not only did this individual deceive our team and our club; they deceived Lake Highlands Girls Classic Soccer as well as North Texas Soccer.  We pay a fee to be input into the database of North Texas Soccer as a check and balance …  We submit rosters for league play and tournaments as a check and balance…  Lake Highlands verified and cleared our team, manager and coach, as we all did everything that we should have done correctly, by the book.   This, unfortunately, could happen to any team – I sure hope it doesn’t, but it could.  There is a fault in the system when this type of forgery is not caught and the sins of one are held to the entire group – guilty by association.  I choose to believe that people are honest and good at heart and to give the benefit of the doubt, that this is not the norm but the exception.   But in our case, one has had a grave impact on the many as we are not allowed to play in the second round of the QT at the time of this post.  I am deeply saddened for our girls, as they have worked so hard for so long – not just this year, to be thwarted by the “system” and a single player and parent who had just joined our team.  Put yourself in our shoes – it could happen to any team…  
It must have not deceived everyone!
Most would have no clue this girl was over/under age but some must have known and spilled the beans
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Re: 03 QT Change

Post by Triumph FC on Fri Aug 02, 2013 4:18 pm

DDx3 wrote:Judging the team, club, and other player’s parents is unjust.  I highly doubt any other parents knew of these circumstances ahead of time.  This is a good team that had a very good chance of making Lake Highlands.  I wish all the parents and kids the best.

Of course none of the parents on the team knew because if they kept their child there then they would know the risks involved. The girl must go to school! Someone must know what grade she is in. Someone must have known the birth certificate was forged. We can all make guesses and assumptions but I along with many others would have no clue so why did LH's find their way to this team and individual? Obviously someone knew more than this team did.
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Post by 03eagle on Fri Aug 02, 2013 4:26 pm

The grass is greener wrote:Everyone knows the deceit, deception, multiple identities and cunning of the characters we all are entertained by – James Bond, Jason Bourne, etc...  This is a sad day in Soccer when 15 innocent U11 players, our coach and our manager are punished for the work of one who has deceived.  Not only did this individual deceive our team and our club; they deceived Lake Highlands Girls Classic Soccer as well as North Texas Soccer.  We pay a fee to be input into the database of North Texas Soccer as a check and balance …  We submit rosters for league play and tournaments as a check and balance…  Lake Highlands verified and cleared our team, manager and coach, as we all did everything that we should have done correctly, by the book.   This, unfortunately, could happen to any team – I sure hope it doesn’t, but it could.  There is a fault in the system when this type of forgery is not caught and the sins of one are held to the entire group – guilty by association.  I choose to believe that people are honest and good at heart and to give the benefit of the doubt, that this is not the norm but the exception.   But in our case, one has had a grave impact on the many as we are not allowed to play in the second round of the QT at the time of this post.  I am deeply saddened for our girls, as they have worked so hard for so long – not just this year, to be thwarted by the “system” and a single player and parent who had just joined our team.  Put yourself in our shoes – it could happen to any team…  

Are they a team or are they individuals? If they are a team, then they are punished as a team. Playing in APL or PPL is not a horrible punishment. Do some due diligence or get to know your player/teammate. Apparently, someone who walked by and happened to see the player knew more than the people on her team.
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Re: 03 QT Change

Post by GrandTXSoccer on Fri Aug 02, 2013 4:31 pm

Maybe someone saw her drive the team to lunch after the game or something?

Seriously though, NTX soccer is a very small community. It seems like everyone knows everyone's business at all times. I just don't know why anyone would think they could get away with something like this.

I can still remember when any new kid would come out to a practice our parents would know everything about them, what team they played for, who was their previous coach and then they would be on the phone getting as much information as possible about the kid. So I'm having a hard time believing that no one on the team or in the organization didn't know something wasn't on the up and up. Now if it was a kid that moved in from out of state or another country that's one thing but if it was a kid that had been around NTX soccer at all that's completely different.

Tough lesson for the kids to have to learn.

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Re: 03 QT Change

Post by Guest on Fri Aug 02, 2013 4:39 pm

thwarted by the “system”

you would make an excellent criminal, they use those types of excuses too...i would say the cheater WAS thwarted by the system, the system that worked...

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Post by SolarPower00 on Fri Aug 02, 2013 4:44 pm

I wouldnt trust the system as it is today.
The 'system' of checks and balances
Allowed the player on the field.
A better system of age verification on the front end is needed
A casual passer-by thwarted the cheating from continuing.....we shouldn't rely on that type of enforcement moving forward
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Re: 03 QT Change

Post by Triumph FC on Fri Aug 02, 2013 4:49 pm

Maybe it was the player driving to games that got her noticed along with saying next years college coach was coming to watch her play!Very Happy 
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Re: 03 QT Change

Post by turboblaster on Fri Aug 02, 2013 4:53 pm

Triumph FC wrote:Maybe it was the player driving to games that got her noticed along with saying next years college coach was coming to watch her play!Very Happy 

Nah, the opposing team's parents were just jealous that she had a Porche.

I would publicize the "03" girl's name so that she does not pull the same stunt on another team. Her parents should be punished for this, I am sure that the girl just wants to play soccer.
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Post by ballhead on Fri Aug 02, 2013 4:56 pm

The grass is greener wrote:Everyone knows the deceit, deception, multiple identities and cunning of the characters we all are entertained by – James Bond, Jason Bourne, etc...  This is a sad day in Soccer when 15 innocent U11 players, our coach and our manager are punished for the work of one who has deceived.  Not only did this individual deceive our team and our club; they deceived Lake Highlands Girls Classic Soccer as well as North Texas Soccer.  We pay a fee to be input into the database of North Texas Soccer as a check and balance …  We submit rosters for league play and tournaments as a check and balance…  Lake Highlands verified and cleared our team, manager and coach, as we all did everything that we should have done correctly, by the book.   This, unfortunately, could happen to any team – I sure hope it doesn’t, but it could.  There is a fault in the system when this type of forgery is not caught and the sins of one are held to the entire group – guilty by association.  I choose to believe that people are honest and good at heart and to give the benefit of the doubt, that this is not the norm but the exception.   But in our case, one has had a grave impact on the many as we are not allowed to play in the second round of the QT at the time of this post.  I am deeply saddened for our girls, as they have worked so hard for so long – not just this year, to be thwarted by the “system” and a single player and parent who had just joined our team.  Put yourself in our shoes – it could happen to any team…  

I really feel for the rest of the players on this team.  Obviously, when it comes to the adults, I have no idea who knew what, but its unlikely that any conspiracy included the players.  I'm sure it was an incredible disappointment to them.  The player's parents are ultimately to blame, because they definitely knew what was going on.  Hopefully North Texas finds a way to punish them.

That said, if an ineligible player was used in a match, it would normally require a forfeit of that match.  The QT rules specifically state that once a team has forfeited a match, they are disqualified from the tournament.

3. Forfeits: Any team that forfeits will be automatically disqualified from further participation in the tournament and from participation in the league. In the event of any forfeited game all games in the round of play involving the team that forfeited will be omitted before calculating the points and/or standings.

If LHGCL had handled it any other way, we would all be ripping them apart for not following their own rules.  

Hopefully the girls will get over this and have a great year wherever they play.  This had to be a bitter pill to swallow for a bunch of 11 year old soccer players.  

Can you imagine the mess that would have been created if this had been caught later in the year, or even next year?
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Post by bwgophers on Fri Aug 02, 2013 5:12 pm

The punishment handed down to the team by LHGCL was the correct one. If this truly was due to actions of one "rogue" family attempting to deceive everyone, then yes, it sucks for the other players and families. However, as we all know, life is not always fair. Sometimes we are harmed by the actions of others, and whether or not those others get just punishment, the harm caused by their actions is irreparable, and we must move on.

In this case, the "damage" is minor in the overall scheme of things. Purge the roster of the offending player/family, go play PPL for a year and try to get back into LHGCL next year. Use it as a life lesson and turn it into a long term positive for the remaining players on the team.

At the end of the day, the girls still get to play a game they love, with teammates they enjoy, a coach they like, and families they enjoy to be around.

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Post by TripDDs on Fri Aug 02, 2013 5:13 pm

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Triumph FC wrote:Maybe it was the player driving to games that got her noticed along with saying next years college coach was coming to watch her play!Very Happy 

Nah, the opposing team's parents were just jealous that she had a Porche.

I would publicize the "03" girl's name so that she does not pull the same stunt on another team.  Her parents should be punished for this, I am sure that the girl just wants to play soccer.

I am pretty sure you dont really want to publicize a minor's information.
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Post by bigtex75081 on Fri Aug 02, 2013 5:15 pm

Triumph FC wrote:Maybe it was the player driving to games that got her noticed along with saying next years college coach was coming to watch her play!Very Happy 
I heard that her parents accidently left a pile of invitations to her quinceañera by her bag during their first game.
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Post by turboblaster on Fri Aug 02, 2013 5:23 pm

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Triumph FC wrote:Maybe it was the player driving to games that got her noticed along with saying next years college coach was coming to watch her play!Very Happy 

Nah, the opposing team's parents were just jealous that she had a Porche.

I would publicize the "03" girl's name so that she does not pull the same stunt on another team.  Her parents should be punished for this, I am sure that the girl just wants to play soccer.

I am pretty sure you dont really want to publicize a minor's information.

OK, publish the parent's names then.
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Post by GrandTXSoccer on Fri Aug 02, 2013 5:35 pm

How do we really know she's a minor??? Smile

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Post by TripDDs on Fri Aug 02, 2013 5:47 pm

GrandTXSoccer wrote:How do we really know she's a minor??? Smile

On her driver's license is she facing forward or to the side?
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Post by herradura on Fri Aug 02, 2013 5:52 pm

The sad thing about this is that the little girl probably didn't even know what is going on. She just shows up and plays with who she is told to play with.

I hope these parents are held accountable for their actions to the fullest extent of the law, but do not find it fair to punish a little girl for her parents actions... But it goes with the territory. sad
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Post by bigtex75081 on Fri Aug 02, 2013 5:53 pm

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GrandTXSoccer wrote:How do we really know she's a minor??? Smile

On her driver's license is she facing forward or to the side?
Which license are you asking about?  Her real one or the one she buys beer with?


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Post by herradura on Fri Aug 02, 2013 5:54 pm

bigtex75081 wrote:
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GrandTXSoccer wrote:How do we really know she's a minor??? Smile

On her driver's license is she facing forward or to the side?
Which license are you asking about?  Her real one or the one she uses to buy beer with?

and to make fun of this little girl and what she is going through is even more sad - get a grip people...
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