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Playing the Ball to the Keeper

Post by Coach&Ref on 04/08/13, 02:52 pm

I have to say that this is one tactic that is almost absent from teams at this age. I say "almost" because I have seen a team do this well.

I'm really tired of the lack of confidence in fullbacks being able to utilize this incredible tactic. It allows play to be switched from side to side. It allows defenders to play out of pressure as well as spread the opposition by sucking them towards the keeper.

All I see are fast backs trying to run down the ball, turn it and kick it out of bounds. To me, this is a complete waste. There are places on the pitch where that is necessary, like in the corner of your defensive third, but not at the halfway line.

I give props to Sting West for teaching this and sticking with it even when they had to take their lumps. I remember playing against them in a tournament a few months back and it wasn't working too well for them. Communication wasn't good, a few balls lacked the pace to reach the keeper and some missed their target completely. Fast forward a few months to the Tut and they were a different team in this regard. The back passes were good, the keeper was screaming at everyone even when the ball was on the other side of the pitch! I remember during that first tourney leaning over to a parent and telling them that even though it wasn't working out for them, that it was the right thing to do. It was great to see it ironed out.

This was just my rant about what I wish more teams would teach. The girls ARE smart and can do it. Teams need to have faith in both their keepers and backs. Even though you may take some lumps in the beginning, staying with the right teaching will only help in the long run.

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Re: Playing the Ball to the Keeper

Post by keeperdad2003 on 04/08/13, 05:22 pm

It's great to see that. It takes a strong team and a good keeper. Always fun to watch that at this level.
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Re: Playing the Ball to the Keeper

Post by Guest on 04/08/13, 05:29 pm

We do it!!!

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Post by ekkeeper1 on 04/08/13, 05:49 pm

I think at the 03 age group few keepers have the foot skills to pass back. I know that some do, I have seen it from a few teams. If you do not have a keeper with good footskills and defenders who do not put enough pace on the ball then it could make for some rough times in the back. I think that coaches could begin to teach it (i know some out there do) in training and then slowly working into the game as keeper and defenders get more confident. It is a scary thing to pass the ball back when most of the time you are told to clear to the side.

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Post by Coach&Ref on 04/08/13, 06:14 pm

ekkeeper1 wrote:I think at the 03 age group few keepers have the foot skills to pass back.  I know that some do, I have seen it from a few teams. If you do not have a keeper with good footskills and defenders who do not put enough pace on the ball then it could make for some rough times in the back.  I think that coaches could begin to teach it (i know some out there do) in training and then slowly working into the game as keeper and defenders get more confident.  It is a scary thing to pass the ball back when most of the time you are told to clear to the side.  

I agree and this begs the old argument about development versus wins. This is why I was praising Sting West for developing and taking their knocks but persevering versus most all the other teams, including my daughter's, randomly kicking it out of bounds.

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Post by JustaSport on 04/08/13, 06:33 pm

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ekkeeper1 wrote:I think at the 03 age group few keepers have the foot skills to pass back.  I know that some do, I have seen it from a few teams. If you do not have a keeper with good footskills and defenders who do not put enough pace on the ball then it could make for some rough times in the back.  I think that coaches could begin to teach it (i know some out there do) in training and then slowly working into the game as keeper and defenders get more confident.  It is a scary thing to pass the ball back when most of the time you are told to clear to the side.  

I agree and this begs the old argument about development versus wins. This is why I was praising Sting West for developing and taking their knocks but persevering versus most all the other teams, including my daughter's, randomly kicking it out of bounds.

After watching a weekend of QT games among 01 teams, I was shocked at how many of them have been taught that kicking the ball out of bounds when under pressure is a good first option. They did it when there was almost no pressure at all. The defenders on one team in particular would even kick the ball past the endline and give up corner kicks rather than attempt to work it wide. It boggles the mind.

As for passing back to the keeper, it's obviously a terrific tactic... that carries its fair share of risk of giving up a goal at the younger ages. But like C&R, I would agree that it's something we should see more. As part of a flatback defense, it's a necessity at times and sure aids in switching the field. Every keeper should be able to play a pass to the vicinity of her feet.
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Re: Playing the Ball to the Keeper

Post by intrinsic on 04/08/13, 06:40 pm

I attended a Mexico vs. Brazil game in Arlington last year and watched the Brazilian keepers warm up- and the first segment of their warmup (maybe 15 minutes?) was all passing and receiving with the feet only. They didn't use their hands at all for quite a while.

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Re: Playing the Ball to the Keeper

Post by doublevision on 04/08/13, 07:05 pm

I've seen a few 03 teams do this...you weren't going to see it in QT for sure... but you will see a few teams do this

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Post by lakeaddict on 04/08/13, 07:25 pm

Sting g's in the house.
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Re: Playing the Ball to the Keeper

Post by Hook It on 04/08/13, 09:46 pm

Coach&God-like authority figure wrote:I have to say that this is one tactic that is almost absent from teams at this age. I say "almost" because I have seen a team do this well.

I'm really tired of the lack of confidence in fullbacks being able to utilize this incredible tactic. It allows play to be switched from side to side. It allows defenders to play out of pressure as well as spread the opposition by sucking them towards the keeper.

All I see are fast backs trying to run down the ball, turn it and kick it out of bounds. To me, this is a complete waste. There are places on the pitch where that is necessary, like in the corner of your defensive third, but not at the halfway line.

I give props to Sting West for teaching this and sticking with it even when they had to take their lumps. I remember playing against them in a tournament a few months back and it wasn't working too well for them. Communication wasn't good, a few balls lacked the pace to reach the keeper and some missed their target completely. Fast forward a few months to the Tut and they were a different team in this regard. The back passes were good, the keeper was screaming at everyone even when the ball was on the other side of the pitch! I remember during that first tourney leaning over to a parent and telling them that even though it wasn't working out for them, that it was the right thing to do. It was great to see it ironed out.

This was just my rant about what I wish more teams would teach. The girls ARE smart and can do it. Teams need to have faith in both their keepers and backs. Even though you may take some lumps in the beginning, staying with the right teaching will only help in the long run.

Well over the last few years since we made it into LH during U10 transition, i would say by the end of the season we did it occasionally, and now it is clearly part of our game plan and the girls do a great job at it... it is great to watch it. We are very much a kickball based team thought.

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Passing to the keeper

Post by MaggieMaggie on 05/08/13, 10:03 am

A little advanced but if they head the ball back to the keeper, she can use her hands. We only had a problem once where a God-like authority figure didn't seem to know this rule and tried to ding DD for picking up a ball passed back to her.
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Re: Playing the Ball to the Keeper

Post by clueless on 05/08/13, 10:12 am

I just recall the first time a player on a U5 (or so) team played the ball backward (not to keeper, but to mid) and the crowd started yelling 'wrong way'. It was pretty obvious the player was more advanced than the rest of the players and knew there was no opening to go forward.

Warning on playing it back - my son scored from midfield playing it back during State Cup at U14, so, it's not without an inherent danger (the keeper just looked up and thought his foot was lower than it actually was - see it in baseball every game).

Definitely a cringe-worth play at the younger years when there is a smart/tenacious forward.
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Re: Playing the Ball to the Keeper

Post by SD69 on 05/08/13, 10:29 am

Definitely a beautiful thing when a player does this at the younger ages. To help any mishaps, the field player should pass to just outside the goal post and, if possible, pass to the goalies dominate foot.

Sometimes if the other team is playing a long ball through to their fast forward, the only play may be the pass to the goalie. If the forward is breathing down the defenders back, she may be waiting for the defender to turn left or right and then pounce. By passing back to the goalie, this threat can be eliminated.
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Re: Playing the Ball to the Keeper

Post by EyeSnapPhotos on 05/08/13, 10:42 am

I give all teams playing the last two weekends a lot of credit if they did accomplish this on the UTD fields. I will say that there were some very iffy bounces and ball movements caused by the conditions of the fields. I will agree though when it works, it is really a thing to see.
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Re: Playing the Ball to the Keeper

Post by upper95 on 05/08/13, 12:44 pm

Playing the ball back to the keeper, who is the 11th field player and should train as such, as explained, gives the defense another option to switch the field or clear the ball. A feign of a pass to the keeper can give a defender just enough time and space to turn up field.

Given this, I witnessed a play that combines all of the worst fears of using this tactic.

During overtime of a high school playoff game a couple of years ago, a defender attempted to head a ball back to his keeper, but he missed. The ball hit high up and slightly inside of the post as the keeper scrambled back. Fortunately for him, the ball ricocheted 45 degrees back to the top middle of the goal box and he caught it going back. Keeper turned and threw the ball up the right wing, and a quick counter-attack resulted in a through ball into the attacking third. Defender on that end barely got to the ball first and tried to pass it back to his keeper, but missed. Ball rolled just inside the post and into the net for the game winning (own) goal.

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Re: Playing the Ball to the Keeper

Post by clueless on 05/08/13, 12:58 pm

If your coach sends your keepers off on their own during practices - they are doing a great disservice to them - they should work on footskills from the youngest ages.

If they continue to be a keeper, they will need this skill forever, if they become a field player - obviously, this will help out.
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Post by tornado11 on 05/08/13, 01:21 pm

upper95 wrote:Playing the ball back to the keeper, who is the 11th field player and should train as such, as explained, gives the defense another option to switch the field or  clear the ball.  A feign of a pass to the keeper can give a defender just enough time and space to turn up field.

Given this, I witnessed a play that combines all of the worst fears of using this tactic.

During overtime of a high school playoff game a couple of years ago, a defender attempted to head a ball back to his keeper, but he missed.  The ball hit high up and slightly inside of the post as the keeper scrambled back.  Fortunately for him, the ball ricocheted 45 degrees back to the top middle of the goal box and he caught it going back.  Keeper turned and threw the ball up the right wing, and a quick counter-attack resulted in a through ball into the attacking third.  Defender on that end barely got to the ball first and tried to pass it back to his keeper, but missed.  Ball rolled just inside the post and into the net for the game winning (own) goal.

mistakes are part of the game and everyone makes them at every level....kids do not need to be constantly yelled and screamed at by 'coaches'....kids know when they've made a mistake.....

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Post by MoveYourFeet on 05/08/13, 02:48 pm

tornado11 wrote:
mistakes are part of the game and everyone makes them at every level....kids do not need to be constantly yelled and screamed at by 'coaches'....kids know when they've made a mistake.....

Mistakes are how kids, especially young ones, learn.

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Re: Playing the Ball to the Keeper

Post by GrandTXSoccer on 05/08/13, 03:15 pm

I've watched enough 03 games to know that there is not a single team that actively plays back to the goalie, heck there are very few that even play the ball back or actively try to switch fields. Obviously SRSA can do this, however the only time they do is when they are trying not to score to quickly they do the old, connect on X amount of passes before attempting to score. Just walk around a tournament on any given weekend and listen to the coaches and parents, all you ever hear is "send it long" or "clear it long." Maybe Sting West added it to their arsenal but I highly doubt they decided to start using it in qualifying as most teams the last two weeks pretty much have the mindset of whatever we need to do to win is what we are going to do, I don't care if we've been working on possesion style soccer if it takes us playing long ball and just being the better athletes to win and advance that's what we will do. I really can't say that I blame them.

Now I will say that from the many games I've watched them play that I would say the Sting West goalie is one of only a handful of goalies that I would feel comfortable playing the ball back to at this time. I've seen her come out of the box to send the ball back down the field (which is the Sting West style but most of the time its the defenders sending the ball long and not the goalie) instead of waiting for it to come inside the box and pick up.

Not to get back into a whole GK debate (I do think they are quite valuable to the team, just not on PK situations) but right now at this age the way NTX soccer, quite often the goalie is someone who wanted to stay on a team but didn't want to have to play soccer. The good goalies are the ones that still run through every drill with the team, working on their foot skills and passing and also working on understanding the position of GK. So over the next few years you will see the ones that have taken the time to work on those skills stay at the GK position and be able to have the ball played back through them or you will see players that have primarily played out in the field migrate back to GK and because they already posses the soccer skills they will easily adapt to the position and be able to have the ball played back through them. Now the ones that have only played GK and don't work on their footwork will be phased out.

Teams not playing back through the GK at this level doesn't really shock me, heck I'd be shocked to hear if there were more than 5 or 6 teams that have ever even discussed this as an option as to where the play the ball if you are under pressure.

Now there are some teams that will play the ball back to the defenders to restart the play, no coincidence that they are primarily the top 3 or 4 teams.

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