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Question about ODP coach etiquette
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ODP isn't supposed to care or specifically know what club you are from (hence the notices not to wear club gear or bring club bags). Even though most of the coaches eventually know who you play for. They are supposed to be helping you from an ODP perspective.
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Gunner9 wrote:Don't know anything about the specific inquiry that started this thread, but ODP coaches have always called club coaches. It's a small world.
you would have to be out of your mind to feed a club coach bad feedback from odp.....
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I agree wholeheartedly, these should be separate events and should be treated as such. Again, I would like to get written evaluations on my DD but it should be my perogative as to whether or not I share that with her club coach.
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I don't have a problem if 2 of my daughter's teachers consult each other to help her in school, so why shouldn't 2 of her soccer coaches consult each other to help her development? What is wrong with ODP coach talking to Club coach and saying, "Hey Club coach, little Sallie needs to work on her dribbling with her left foot, maybe you spend some time with her on that?"
I consistently talk to her club coach and relay his ideas for her improvement to both her and her skills coach..
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IMHO.
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IMO the problem (or one of many problems) with NTX ODP is that ODP and the clubs don't work together enough! ODP coaches should be out scouting league games, talking to club coaches etc etc.
Just as an example. A few NTX '99 ODP parents (myself included) spoke with a couple of SoCal ODP parents when NTX ODP went to California last year. It was interesting/eye opening to hear SoCal parents talk about how the club pushed/promoted players for ODP. Clubs/leagues regularly scheduled around ODP practices/events. If there were conflicts between club and ODP, ODP won without question as a rule. The names of the few girls that made the ODP pool were published by SoCal (CalSouth Pro+) ODP along with the clubs those girls represented and available on the socal soccer blogs. I didn't believe that last one so I checked their blog myself...it was there. The pool was dwindled to only 24-32 players enough for two teams period. To make the ODP pool and even more so the final team means quite a bit to club and player there. The combination of club and CalSouth Pro+ working together made their system work/credible. My understanding was that once you made the final 32 the teams were sponsored so the financial element disappeared as well.
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Ed wrote:I really don't think it is a big deal, the coaching circle isn't that big, a lot of them know each other and many are friends.
I don't have a problem if 2 of my daughter's teachers consult each other to help her in school, so why shouldn't 2 of her soccer coaches consult each other to help her development? What is wrong with ODP coach talking to Club coach and saying, "Hey Club coach, little Sallie needs to work on her dribbling with her left foot, maybe you spend some time with her on that?"
I consistently talk to her club coach and relay his ideas for her improvement to both her and her skills coach..
I bet he loves that!
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outonthelimb wrote:I'm curious. What age does the "politics" of ODP begin? I've yet to see a single instance where a top player on the '00 scene didn't make the '99 ODP age group. I have yet to see an instance where one of those players didn't end up on one of the top 2 teams at ODP either. It seems that most of the clubs (big/small) have representatives on the teams as well. With that said there are some instances where girls didn't tryout or made the pool but at a crowded position and didn't ask (or didn't get) to be evaluated at another spot so end up on team 3+ because they couldn't beat out the players on the upper teams.
IMO the problem (or one of many problems) with NTX ODP is that ODP and the clubs don't work together enough! ODP coaches should be out scouting league games, talking to club coaches etc etc.
Just as an example. A few NTX '99 ODP parents (myself included) spoke with a couple of SoCal ODP parents when NTX ODP went to California last year. It was interesting/eye opening to hear SoCal parents talk about how the club pushed/promoted players for ODP. Clubs/leagues regularly scheduled around ODP practices/events. If there were conflicts between club and ODP, ODP won without question as a rule. The names of the few girls that made the ODP pool were published by SoCal (CalSouth Pro+) ODP along with the clubs those girls represented and available on the socal soccer blogs. I didn't believe that last one so I checked their blog myself...it was there. The pool was dwindled to only 24-32 players enough for two teams period. To make the ODP pool and even more so the final team means quite a bit to club and player there. The combination of club and CalSouth Pro+ working together made their system work/credible. My understanding was that once you made the final 32 the teams were sponsored so the financial element disappeared as well.
That is why SoCal rules the ODP landscape. They get it. The best players are almost exclusively on the best teams.
NTX ODP is a joke compared to the rest of the states. They feel like they need quotas. This many from the better teams, this many from lesser teams, this may players from outlying areas and this many kids that could be rec players. They don't come to club games. They don't evaluate players outside of ODP practices. Until NTX soccer wakes up and actually puts together teams of the best players, the only thing you can hope for is that your kid gets put on the Regional team. That way, she can quit wasting her time at the NTX practices. They need an experienced club coach running it, not Gary Williamson.
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Uncle Numanga wrote:outonthelimb wrote:I'm curious. What age does the "politics" of ODP begin? I've yet to see a single instance where a top player on the '00 scene didn't make the '99 ODP age group. I have yet to see an instance where one of those players didn't end up on one of the top 2 teams at ODP either. It seems that most of the clubs (big/small) have representatives on the teams as well. With that said there are some instances where girls didn't tryout or made the pool but at a crowded position and didn't ask (or didn't get) to be evaluated at another spot so end up on team 3+ because they couldn't beat out the players on the upper teams.
IMO the problem (or one of many problems) with NTX ODP is that ODP and the clubs don't work together enough! ODP coaches should be out scouting league games, talking to club coaches etc etc.
Just as an example. A few NTX '99 ODP parents (myself included) spoke with a couple of SoCal ODP parents when NTX ODP went to California last year. It was interesting/eye opening to hear SoCal parents talk about how the club pushed/promoted players for ODP. Clubs/leagues regularly scheduled around ODP practices/events. If there were conflicts between club and ODP, ODP won without question as a rule. The names of the few girls that made the ODP pool were published by SoCal (CalSouth Pro+) ODP along with the clubs those girls represented and available on the socal soccer blogs. I didn't believe that last one so I checked their blog myself...it was there. The pool was dwindled to only 24-32 players enough for two teams period. To make the ODP pool and even more so the final team means quite a bit to club and player there. The combination of club and CalSouth Pro+ working together made their system work/credible. My understanding was that once you made the final 32 the teams were sponsored so the financial element disappeared as well.
That is why SoCal rules the ODP landscape. They get it. The best players are almost exclusively on the best teams.
NTX ODP is a joke compared to the rest of the states. They feel like they need quotas. This many from the better teams, this many from lesser teams, this may players from outlying areas and this many kids that could be rec players. They don't come to club games. They don't evaluate players outside of ODP practices. Until NTX soccer wakes up and actually puts together teams of the best players, the only thing you can hope for is that your kid gets put on the Regional team. That way, she can quit wasting her time at the NTX practices. They need an experienced club coach running it, not Gary Williamson.
Wow - some serious hostility.... Hmmm wheres that coming from?
I do tend to agree with the comments on quotas, yet on the other hand it could be considered a courtesy to service 125 new players into the program to allow the girls who just want to get better to have the opportunity to be the best they can be and maybe play an extra few years or even into High School.
It is a great, value and for my DD it has been a very positive experience. No regrets, it is not taking the place of any other sport she is involved in and they keep it quite separate also from her HL team.
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Hook It wrote:
It is a great, value and for my DD it has been a very positive experience. No regrets, it is not taking the place of any other sport she is involved in and they keep it quite separate also from her HL team.
I wish this was the experience for us, my DDs ODP coach and her clashed a bit at the OU camp - which I thought was no big deal, until she made it known to her brand new LH coach her low opinion of my DD.
I thought this was totally unacceptable, but anyway, ends our ODP experience. It isn't worth it if the consequence of a bad session or if she doesn't sync with a coach she barely knows is bad reports to her D1 coach.
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The best thing you can do for your DD is to ask her new LH coach for pointers on what he/she thinks are her good points and those that she could improve on. I wouldn't let it lay idle for the coach to continue mulling. If the coach gives you a list of good and bad, your DD should say let me decide a plan on how I can make improvements and bring it back to you. This should help mitigate whatever the ODP coach said.
Best of luck to both of you.
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I agree you advice to your daughter on letting her play speak for itself. Also, the changes of coaches...Hmm... I guess it is to be expected. I have seen many strange changes this year. I guess we will see how things pan out in just a few months when we have some games completed....
Hope it gets better for you all, also hope that you do not drop ODP just because of one bad coaching situation....
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noTripDDs wrote:Should a DDs ODP coach report any information, good or bad, back to your DDs club coach?
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