Answer to SRSA?

by Coach&Ref 25/08/13, 01:59 pm

I was just bored and started daydreaming about how it would be possible to come even close to the level of competition that SRSA deserves.

First, I guess we have to figure out exactly what it is that makes SRSA great. Is it the fantastic coaching, aggressive recruiting or a combination of both? From experience, I can tell you that the coaching is excellent, however, if that was simply the solution, there are other very good coaches that should have no problem replicating their success. That not happening points to more than just one cause.

Regardless of what "it" is, I would argue that there are girls out there that are of the exact same caliber of the SRSA players. I just believe that they are dispersed over a good many teams. There are usually one or two "threats" per team, but although that may be enough to overcome other teams, having only a couple stars will not touch SRSA in terms of competition in a sport that requires eleven players.

I'm wondering if a big club that normally fields quite a few teams, were to offer a great coach and full scholarships to players that "make it", if it would make a difference and offer some competition to SRSA.

I have great respect for SRSA. However, I would love to see them get some competition in the 03 age group.

What are y'alls thoughts?

by soccer4fun 25/08/13, 02:44 pm

I do think it is very good coaching and I also think they have been able to find the formula to attract the good players from the west and the good from the east. Many do part but solar red seems to have found the key.In addition combine that with a little bit of luck and a lot of "mystique" (meaning; its the best so I need to be on it mentality) which in ntx soccer is worth a lot of recruiting capital and you have a great team. As a LP believer I think in this age group LP elite will compete at that level and I really believe LW and KB can and will make that happen. It will be a fun year, hold on.

by futbollove 25/08/13, 02:53 pm

soccer4fun wrote:I do think it is very good coaching and I also think they have been able to find the formula to attract the good players from the west and the good from the east. Many do part but solar red seems to have found the key.In addition combine that with a little bit of luck and a lot of "mystique" (meaning; its the best so I need to be on it mentality) which in ntx soccer is worth a lot of recruiting capital and you have a great team. As a LP believer I think in this age group LP elite will compete at that level and I really believe LW and KB can and will make that happen. It will be a fun year, hold on.

Yiu're kidding right?

by the7wolf 25/08/13, 03:55 pm

No way anybody is getting close to them short of a team implosion or the other studs in the age group all consolidate on one team under a good coach.

They'll only continue to improve under DM so unless he gets bored and Adrian doesn't want to step in, the team is neither going to weaken nor fail to attract the best kids in the age group.

by GrandTXSoccer 25/08/13, 04:12 pm

Lol, I just don't think there is a team out there in the 03 group that can consistently hang with SRSA. DTS came close for a while a long long time ago but that was well over a year ago. LP Elite is a really nice team but they aren't at the level from what I've seen to beat SRSA, I'm sure they will give a good effort but they aren't at tht level. FCD Gold has played them recently an fought hard but still ended up losing 8-0 i believe. I guess we will see in a couple of weeks when SRSA plays a Top 5 seed in LHs when they face off against FCD Premier since it seems like they found some offense recently.

I admire soccer4funs support of all things LP (at least from looking at your posts there's not a LP team or age group you don't support and there's nothin wrong with that) but I'm pretty sure you could take the best of each of the LP teams and they wouldn't be able to beat SRSA, same thing goes for Sting, FCD, and the Texans.

As far as what makes SRSA so good is really a combination of a few things. First thing is talent, they have a group of kids that all have natural abilities and passion to get better. The next thing is consitent quality coaching, this team had had the same coaching for years now. Look at the teams that are good and most of the time you will see a consistent coaching presence (SRSA has had DM for at least a couple of years, DTS has had Adames for at least 2 years, and LP Elite has had LW/KB for at least year and a half). So when you have consistent quality coaches, like I think those four are, you are going to have success. Now the last thing you have with SRSA was some quality recruiting which allowed them to grab some top talent off other teams like DTS, Sting G, and LP Keegan. What made it possible though were the first two things, a talented core group of players and quality coaching.

Personally I just don't think anyone will be able to really give them a game this year but over the next couple of years I think the gap will close as the girls in this age group mature.

by JustaSport 25/08/13, 05:53 pm

There's always an "unbeatable" team. It happens every year in the younger ages and the hype usually starts early into academy. But believe me, the unbeatables will always get beaten. And sooner than later, all of the teams begin to look competitive with each other on any given day. This latest, greatest 03 team and the parents should enjoy it for now. It's fun to be at the top and have everyone chasing you. Nothing wrong with that at all. Just realize that before you know it, the dominance will dwindle somewhat.

by good4nuthin 25/08/13, 06:01 pm

There are a lot of coaches out there with passion, but none I have seen on the level of DM. He puts every ounce of energy into his daughters and that energy spreads throughout the teams he coaches. (Notice the only teams he coaches are his two daughter’s teams).

The girls who have been there the longest almost have an adopted daughter like relationship with D. It is something special that the girls feel the second they are accepted by him and subsequently, the team. Although my DD no longer plays for DM, if he is around (on the sidelines etc.) her energy level and focus still are heightened. And if he asked her to do or get something for him, she would do it at full speed and run anyone over in her way with no apology.

With this passion also come expectations. Every girl on that team knows the second they walk on the field, in practice or a game, that anything other than perfect is unacceptable. DM holds them accountable and even more so, the girls on the team held each other accountable. It is not easy. Many girls come away from practices or games upset on a regular basis. But with these expectations also comes performance. Individual praise is given sparingly, but when it happens, the girls seemingly glow for days (at least my daughter did).

So why is SRSA an anomaly? In my opinion, it is the culture DM has bread into the team from its infancy. Other coaches will have great teams with just as good of athletes and have passion for those teams but will not be as good. Other coaches will have phenom children that they coach and build teams around that kid, but those teams will not compare either.

What DM has done is taken the same passion, expectations and dedication that he has for his daughter and spread it onto an entire team. They believe in him, he believes in them as they were his offspring.

The guy knows how to build culture. He does it with this soccer teams and also in business and he is very successful with both.

The second he is not directly involved the dynamic will change. They will still be a very talented team, but the mystique and passion will fade.

Culture is the difference and it cannot be replicated.

by Guest 25/08/13, 06:20 pm

good4nuthin wrote:There are a lot of coaches out there with passion, but none I have seen on the level of DM. He puts every ounce of energy into his daughters and that energy spreads throughout the teams he coaches. (Notice the only teams he coaches are his two daughter’s teams).

The girls who have been there the longest almost have an adopted daughter like relationship with D. It is something special that the girls feel the second they are accepted by him and subsequently, the team. Although my DD no longer plays for DM, if he is around (on the sidelines etc.) her energy level and focus still are heightened. And if he asked her to do or get something for him, she would do it at full speed and run anyone over in her way with no apology.

With this passion also come expectations. Every girl on that team knows the second they walk on the field, in practice or a game, that anything other than perfect is unacceptable. DM holds them accountable and even more so, the girls on the team held each other accountable. It is not easy. Many girls come away from practices or games upset on a regular basis. But with these expectations also comes performance. Individual praise is given sparingly, but when it happens, the girls seemingly glow for days (at least my daughter did).

So why is SRSA an anomaly? In my opinion, it is the culture DM has bread into the team from its infancy. Other coaches will have great teams with just as good of athletes and have passion for those teams but will not be as good. Other coaches will have phenom children that they coach and build teams around that kid, but those teams will not compare either.

What DM has done is taken the same passion, expectations and dedication that he has for his daughter and spread it onto an entire team. They believe in him, he believes in them as they were his offspring.

The guy knows how to build culture. He does it with this soccer teams and also in business and he is very successful with both.

The second he is not directly involved the dynamic will change. They will still be a very talented team, but the mystique and passion will fade.

Culture is the difference and it cannot be replicated.

Nice read. I was following along nodding my head until you jumped the shark with those last 4 words.

by SwitchDaField 25/08/13, 06:25 pm

This has been debated before. If you take the forwards (studs) off the team, would the dynamic of the team change? Of course.. The question should be "If the studs are removed, will the team be so great?". This to me will be a true mark of what DM and his SRSA legacy.

Me personally, the mystery question would be solved.

by NoFanOfDrama 25/08/13, 08:12 pm

4DaLuvofTheGM wrote:This has been debated before. If you take the forwards (studs) off the team, would the dynamic of the team change? Of course.. The question should be "If the studs are removed, will the team be so great?". This to me will be a true mark of what DM and his SRSA legacy.

Me personally, the mystery question would be solved.

This has already been proven. The two top players now play on 02. The "rest" of the team is who put the whipping on the Warriors 14-0.

When we played SRSA, there was zero drop in intensity or ability when the top 2 came off the field. It may not have been as eloquent as when the 2 were on the field, but it was all there.

DM has been working with these girls for years and there is a culture which creates accountability and a desire to exceed normal expectations.

by axlefoley 25/08/13, 08:46 pm

every coach needs athletes. You can't win without the athletes. So a team this good, is mostly due to having better athletes from top to bottom than most other teams. This doesn't take away that the coaching is also good, but trust me...a coach can't win without athletes.

by Guest 25/08/13, 09:01 pm

JustaSport wrote:There's always an "unbeatable" team. It happens every year in the younger ages and the hype usually starts early into academy. But believe me, the unbeatables will always get beaten. And sooner than later, all of the teams begin to look competitive with each other on any given day. This latest, greatest 03 team and the parents should enjoy it for now. It's fun to be at the top and have everyone chasing you. Nothing wrong with that at all. Just realize that before you know it, the dominance will dwindle somewhat.

Well stated, everything in life is cyclical.

by herradura 25/08/13, 09:33 pm

Cleansheets wrote:
JustaSport wrote:There's always an "unbeatable" team. It happens every year in the younger ages and the hype usually starts early into academy. But believe me, the unbeatables will always get beaten. And sooner than later, all of the teams begin to look competitive with each other on any given day. This latest, greatest 03 team and the parents should enjoy it for now. It's fun to be at the top and have everyone chasing you. Nothing wrong with that at all. Just realize that before you know it, the dominance will dwindle somewhat.
Well stated, everything in life is cyclical.

Sorry guys, there is something more to this team than athletes, good coaches and "that good team in every age group". I have been around soccer for a long time in many parts of the nation and this group is special - If you don't think so, you have never seen them play. I think culture is the best term I have heard so far in pinpointing what makes them tick....

by JustaSport 25/08/13, 10:18 pm

herradura wrote:
Cleansheets wrote:
JustaSport wrote:There's always an "unbeatable" team. It happens every year in the younger ages and the hype usually starts early into academy. But believe me, the unbeatables will always get beaten. And sooner than later, all of the teams begin to look competitive with each other on any given day. This latest, greatest 03 team and the parents should enjoy it for now. It's fun to be at the top and have everyone chasing you. Nothing wrong with that at all. Just realize that before you know it, the dominance will dwindle somewhat.
Well stated, everything in life is cyclical.
Sorry guys, there is something more to this team than athletes, good coaches and "that good team in every age group". I have been around soccer for a long time in many parts of the nation and this group is special - If you don't think so, you have never seen them play. I think culture is the best term I have heard so far in pinpointing what makes them tick....

Time will tell; but if history is a good indicator, you will be proven incorrect on this assertion. I remember when 01 Bates was heads and shoulders above everyone else. "No one was even close" seemed to be the mantra. That has all changed. I could list team after team in each age group that was supposed to be untouchable... all the way back to Sting Royal 93 girls that won nationals. The 94's saw the build up of Solar Red. For the 95's, it was the Texans/Sting 'Girls of Steel'. I could go on an on.

Truth be told, I don't think the ECNL and LHGCL D1 soccer of the modern groups is as good as it used to be when there were fewer players and select soccer was truly about selecting the best athletes. I'll get blasted for that statement. There used to be more individual skill and less mugging of those with speed and/or strong 1v1 talent. Now, it's a lot more long ball and competition in the air, girls specializing in positions at the earliest ages, and short term improvement through way too many games and tournaments instead of practices (the ratio is all wrong). I think we'll all see that Japan and a few others are probably on the right track in their technical play as the coaches here in North Texas stick with the same ole same ole. I hope I'm wrong on this.

by Gunners 26/08/13, 08:23 am

JustaSport wrote:
Time will tell; but if history is a good indicator, you will be proven incorrect on this assertion. I remember when 01 Bates was heads and shoulders above everyone else. "No one was even close" seemed to be the mantra. That has all changed. I could list team after team in each age group that was supposed to be untouchable... all the way back to Sting Royal 93 girls that won nationals. The 94's saw the build up of Solar Red. For the 95's, it was the Texans/Sting 'Girls of Steel'. I could go on an on.

Truth be told, I don't think the ECNL and LHGCL D1 soccer of the modern groups is as good as it used to be when there were fewer players and select soccer was truly about selecting the best athletes. I'll get blasted for that statement. There used to be more individual skill and less mugging of those with speed and/or strong 1v1 talent. Now, it's a lot more long ball and competition in the air, girls specializing in positions at the earliest ages, and short term improvement through way too many games and tournaments instead of practices (the ratio is all wrong). I think we'll all see that Japan and a few others are probably on the right track in their technical play as the coaches here in North Texas stick with the same ole same ole. I hope I'm wrong on this.

Good old days syndrome at it's finest. Rolling Eyes

by ThisNameIsCool 26/08/13, 08:52 am

[quote="Coach&Ref"]I'm wondering if a big club that normally fields quite a few teams, were to offer a great coach and full scholarships to players that "make it", if it would make a difference and offer some competition to SRSA.quote]

So, if I understand you - you're basically throwing out the idea of recruiting the top 1-2 threats off each team, promising a top name coach, and taking this idea to a club like FCD or Sting, etc...? And offering to scholarship them all?

Funny, but that playbook's already been written....how do you think SRSA was built? And of course it would bring SRSA competition.

Other clubs would be missing one key ingrediant: DM. Gotta give him credit for sure - his plan, his recruits, his time, money and effort has provided Solca with vast amount of talent riches.

Regarding the culture....let's not discount the parent side. They seem to be great supporters of the coaches, each other's DD and respectful of other teams. I watched them get thumped by top a 03 Boys team and all they said was how they understood why it was a good thing.

This group as a whole could be labeled "over zealous crazy nut job soccer fanatics who only want to dominate to the world." But I think you'd be wrong. They just have kids willing to accept the pressure of high performance - kids with a different gear than most, at an earlier age maybe.....and those parents mostly silent in games...which is unique.

by Guest 26/08/13, 11:37 am

JustaSport wrote:
herradura wrote:
Cleansheets wrote:
JustaSport wrote:There's always an "unbeatable" team. It happens every year in the younger ages and the hype usually starts early into academy. But believe me, the unbeatables will always get beaten. And sooner than later, all of the teams begin to look competitive with each other on any given day. This latest, greatest 03 team and the parents should enjoy it for now. It's fun to be at the top and have everyone chasing you. Nothing wrong with that at all. Just realize that before you know it, the dominance will dwindle somewhat.
Well stated, everything in life is cyclical.
Sorry guys, there is something more to this team than athletes, good coaches and "that good team in every age group". I have been around soccer for a long time in many parts of the nation and this group is special - If you don't think so, you have never seen them play. I think culture is the best term I have heard so far in pinpointing what makes them tick....
Time will tell; but if history is a good indicator, you will be proven incorrect on this assertion. I remember when 01 Bates was heads and shoulders above everyone else. "No one was even close" seemed to be the mantra. That has all changed. I could list team after team in each age group that was supposed to be untouchable... all the way back to Sting Royal 93 girls that won nationals. The 94's saw the build up of Solar Red. For the 95's, it was the Texans/Sting 'Girls of Steel'. I could go on an on.

Truth be told, I don't think the ECNL and LHGCL D1 soccer of the modern groups is as good as it used to be when there were fewer players and select soccer was truly about selecting the best athletes. I'll get blasted for that statement. There used to be more individual skill and less mugging of those with speed and/or strong 1v1 talent. Now, it's a lot more long ball and competition in the air, girls specializing in positions at the earliest ages, and short term improvement through way too many games and tournaments instead of practices (the ratio is all wrong). I think we'll all see that Japan and a few others are probably on the right track in their technical play as the coaches here in North Texas stick with the same ole same ole. I hope I'm wrong on this.

Not to derail the SRSA talk, but I completely disagree that NTX is doing it wrong on the girls front or that we should shift the focus away from simply picking the "best athletes" Girls soccer is all about the "best athletes." Abby Wombach is an athlete first, soccer player second. Alex Morgan is nicknamed "baby horse" for a reason. She is incredibly athletic and fast. These two were in the top three of best womens players in the world last year. The USA is the best soccer playing nation in the WORLD for women. What we are doing works and no one else is catching up to us. Mens and womens soccer is fundamentally different in this regard. In mens soccer BSF does not win, in Womens soccer it does.

The USA Womens will be on top for a long time.

by 06soccerdad 26/08/13, 11:57 am

good4nuthin wrote:There are a lot of coaches out there with passion, but none I have seen on the level of DM. He puts every ounce of energy into his daughters and that energy spreads throughout the teams he coaches. (Notice the only teams he coaches are his two daughter’s teams).

The girls who have been there the longest almost have an adopted daughter like relationship with D. It is something special that the girls feel the second they are accepted by him and subsequently, the team. Although my DD no longer plays for DM, if he is around (on the sidelines etc.) her energy level and focus still are heightened. And if he asked her to do or get something for him, she would do it at full speed and run anyone over in her way with no apology.

With this passion also come expectations. Every girl on that team knows the second they walk on the field, in practice or a game, that anything other than perfect is unacceptable. DM holds them accountable and even more so, the girls on the team held each other accountable. It is not easy. Many girls come away from practices or games upset on a regular basis. But with these expectations also comes performance. Individual praise is given sparingly, but when it happens, the girls seemingly glow for days (at least my daughter did).

So why is SRSA an anomaly? In my opinion, it is the culture DM has bread into the team from its infancy. Other coaches will have great teams with just as good of athletes and have passion for those teams but will not be as good. Other coaches will have phenom children that they coach and build teams around that kid, but those teams will not compare either.

What DM has done is taken the same passion, expectations and dedication that he has for his daughter and spread it onto an entire team. They believe in him, he believes in them as they were his offspring.

The guy knows how to build culture. He does it with this soccer teams and also in business and he is very successful with both.

The second he is not directly involved the dynamic will change. They will still be a very talented team, but the mystique and passion will fade.

Culture is the difference and it cannot be replicated.

by Guest 26/08/13, 01:05 pm

SRSA '03 is special. They've dominated their age group for quite a long time.

I remember seeing them train years ago when my daughter was still academy. Kat Webb was coaching. I'm watching these kids saying WOW - these kids are how old again?

So yes of course they are special, and yes some of it has to be attributed to the talent they consolidated very early.

I think it's WAY premature to proclaim them as MORE special than the other special teams that have come through.

JustAsport is wrong Bates '01 WAS better than everyone else. And no, wasn't just a mantra, it really wasn't close. LOL. Their collection of talent was incredible and who knows what would've happened had they remained together, or had they found somewhere they could be challenged (instead of playing the same teams over and over letting everyone else catch up).

Pulp's 00 team that eventually went to finals of U13 '00 national championships was beaten back at U11 by the Bates 01 team. And don't get caught up in the scores...if you watch the games it's clear (to me at least) Bates '01 still play the best soccer of anyone in the age group at U13, they just don't DOMINATE everyone like the old days.

I used to enjoy banter with them, but even at the height of their dominance I don't recall any threads with Bates folk claiming their daughters were the most specialist of the special...with a special culture that hasn't been seen ever before and cannot be replicated ever again. Maybe they said it behind closed doors...dunno. But SRSA '03 wins multiple national titles when it counts? THEN maybe it's time to consider whether they're different than all others before them.

Solar 94 was special too...and have the hardware to back it up. So do the Sting/Texans 95 girls. There was lots of talk about the 99 Texans being special too, but a couple key players moved up and they haven't dominated their age group since.

These '03 are just getting started, and looks to me they're good enough to let their achievement do the talking. Best ever with a culture that cannot be "replicated" just seems like hyperbole for such a young team.

Dominating pre-teen teams vs dominating U14 to U18 teams are entirely different animals. One is much more prevalent than the other.

by lostntexas 26/08/13, 01:12 pm

IT HAS TO BE SOMETHING ELSE TO TALK ABOUT PEOPLE.....SRSA ALL THE TIME?

by herradura 26/08/13, 01:51 pm

lostntexas wrote:IT HAS TO BE SOMETHING ELSE TO TALK ABOUT PEOPLE.....SRSA ALL THE TIME?

OK, LostInTexas let's talk about your DDs team... You first.

by Guess Who 26/08/13, 02:03 pm

IF SRSA is wanting a challange why not play up vs. 02 or 01 teams in a tournament. Hell put them in a 00 tournament they might just win it all.

by GrandTXSoccer 26/08/13, 02:14 pm

Seriously though, whatelse is there to talk about right now? They are the biggest mystery right now in the 03 division since everyone is wanting to know how they would fare without there top 2 players. When I say mystery it's not if they are going to all of a sudden be horrible or not, just more of a mystery if they are hey going to be untouchable like they have been in the past. Honestly I don't really know if we have the answer yet but scoring 14 last weekend sure did make a statement. In a couple of weeks they will play FCD Prem who put up 6 against FCD Suarez which I would contend is actually more impressive than putting up 14 on the Warriors. Heck I predicted a 1-1 tie in that game and others predicted Suarez to win out right. So for them to come out and beat them so thoroughly might lead me to take another look at them, maybe they really are the 5th best team in the 03 group these days and on the rise.

As far as the answer to SRSA, time is the great equalizer in this game so given time teams will catch up and some players will improve while others may have hit their peak early. Only time will tell.

by lostntexas 26/08/13, 02:14 pm

It just get old. Same topic all the time, The two super stars,who is play up,what the did in Surf Cup ,player pass, sh#t did I miss a topic..oh Srsa ran up the score..worry about your own DD and get her better. The time half of you spend on here you could be getting you dd extra touches RIGHT? NEVER CROSSED YOUR MIND... Maybe that's why your dd don't finish or have that first touch! Damn dad to busy posting. .

by Barca 26/08/13, 02:17 pm

herradura wrote:
lostntexas wrote:IT HAS TO BE SOMETHING ELSE TO TALK ABOUT PEOPLE.....SRSA ALL THE TIME?
OK, LostInTexas let's talk about your DDs team... You first.

We could talk about the Pink Ponies or the Vipers. I heard both teams are at the levels as SRSA.

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