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Re: JD's departure from FCD

Post by soccersounder on Thu Feb 13, 2014 11:43 am

bwgophers wrote:Coaching roster at Sting is getting pretty full...  Will be interesting to see how this all plays out over the next 1-2 years...

So is your point a club can have too many coaches?

On a different note: Threads like this always make me laugh at us soccer parents:

-If our Club does it, it must be right

-If another Club does it, it must be wrong...

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Re: JD's departure from FCD

Post by bwgophers on Thu Feb 13, 2014 1:44 pm

soccersounder wrote:
bwgophers wrote:Coaching roster at Sting is getting pretty full...  Will be interesting to see how this all plays out over the next 1-2 years...

So is your point a club can have too many coaches?

Ummm... Yeah.  It comes down to a couple of things.  Money and egos.  Will there be enough money to go around for all of these coaches, and can all of the egos co-exist?  They all can't be salaried "directors", and they all can't have ECNL teams, so will all the ones who aren't, remain satisfied with that?

On a different note: Threads like this always make me laugh at us soccer parents:

-If our Club does it, it must be right.  
Acutally, it is my club, and I never said it was wrong.  Just made an observation that it's starting to get a bit full with "chiefs" and "ex-chiefs", and it will be interesting to see the dynamics of how that staff meshes together (or doesn't mesh together) in the coming months.

-If another Club does it, it must be wrong...

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Re: JD's departure from FCD

Post by Lefty on Thu Feb 13, 2014 1:53 pm

soccersounder wrote:
bwgophers wrote:Coaching roster at Sting is getting pretty full...  Will be interesting to see how this all plays out over the next 1-2 years...

So is your point a club can have too many coaches?

On a different note: Threads like this always make me laugh at us soccer parents:

-If our Club does it, it must be right

-If another Club does it, it must be wrong...

Obviously a club can never have too many good coaches.  

The question is how do you make it work financially?  When two former DOC's move to the same club and bring minimal cash flow (teams) with them it will be interesting to see how it plays out.  

Does Sting have big things in the works, or is it much noise about a couple of guys looking to catch on somewhere as a coach with a good club, or something in between?

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Re: JD's departure from FCD

Post by Guest on Thu Feb 13, 2014 2:05 pm

Lefty wrote:
soccersounder wrote:
bwgophers wrote:Coaching roster at Sting is getting pretty full...  Will be interesting to see how this all plays out over the next 1-2 years...

So is your point a club can have too many coaches?

On a different note: Threads like this always make me laugh at us soccer parents:

-If our Club does it, it must be right

-If another Club does it, it must be wrong...

Obviously a club can never have too many good coaches.  

The question is how do you make it work financially?  When two former DOC's move to the same club and bring minimal cash flow (teams) with them it will be interesting to see how it plays out.  

Does Sting have big things in the works, or is it much noise about a couple of guys looking to catch on somewhere as a coach with a good club, or something in between?

if you give LP their rightful claim on encl, you would have an exodus but the good old boys want to keep things just the way they are thank you very much...

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Re: JD's departure from FCD

Post by Lefty on Thu Feb 13, 2014 2:12 pm

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soccersounder wrote:
bwgophers wrote:Coaching roster at Sting is getting pretty full...  Will be interesting to see how this all plays out over the next 1-2 years...

So is your point a club can have too many coaches?

On a different note: Threads like this always make me laugh at us soccer parents:

-If our Club does it, it must be right

-If another Club does it, it must be wrong...

Obviously a club can never have too many good coaches.  

The question is how do you make it work financially?  When two former DOC's move to the same club and bring minimal cash flow (teams) with them it will be interesting to see how it plays out.  

Does Sting have big things in the works, or is it much noise about a couple of guys looking to catch on somewhere as a coach with a good club, or something in between?

if you give LP their rightful claim on encl, you would have an exodus but the good old boys want to keep things just the way they are thank you very much...

So do you claim victim status in all phases of your life or just youth soccer?

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Re: JD's departure from FCD

Post by Guest on Thu Feb 13, 2014 2:14 pm

nope, i have nothing to do with LP, i just think locking a huge growing club out of the process is short sighted, cynical and self serving...

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Post by Homeboy on Thu Feb 13, 2014 3:18 pm

From ECNL website:
REVIEW PROCESS. Completed applications will be reviewed by a committee selected by the ECNL Board of Directors based on the following criteria:

Club’s Player Development Guidelines.
Club’s History of Youth Player Development.
Club’s History of Success in Elite Competitions, Tournaments and Leagues.
Club’s Philosophy.
Club’s Technical Staff (including quality of Coaching Staff).
Overall Club Infrastructure

So LP rightful claim is what based on the ECNL criteria?
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Post by jsullivan81 on Thu Feb 13, 2014 3:44 pm

I assume what excludes them is the lack of history. How long have they been in existance?

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Post by TatonkaBurger on Thu Feb 13, 2014 3:54 pm

So even though Dallas Rush continues to promise an impending membership, they've got to be behind LP in member review process in NTX, right?
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Re: JD's departure from FCD

Post by soccersounder on Thu Feb 13, 2014 3:59 pm

bwgophers wrote:
soccersounder wrote:
bwgophers wrote:Coaching roster at Sting is getting pretty full...  Will be interesting to see how this all plays out over the next 1-2 years...

So is your point a club can have too many coaches?

Ummm... Yeah.  It comes down to a couple of things.  Money and egos.  Will there be enough money to go around for all of these coaches, and can all of the egos co-exist?  They all can't be salaried "directors", and they all can't have ECNL teams, so will all the ones who aren't, remain satisfied with that?

On a different note: Threads like this always make me laugh at us soccer parents:

-If our Club does it, it must be right.  
Acutally, it is my club, and I never said it was wrong.  Just made an observation that it's starting to get a bit full with "chiefs" and "ex-chiefs", and it will be interesting to see the dynamics of how that staff meshes together (or doesn't mesh together) in the coming months.

-If another Club does it, it must be wrong...

I wont use the fancy colors, but Lefty blew up your argument on his post..

As for your other reponse.. That was not directed at you.. I was just making a funny point. I'm with Sting too :-)
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Re: JD's departure from FCD

Post by Guest on Thu Feb 13, 2014 4:14 pm

silentparent wrote:nope, i have nothing to do with LP, i just think locking a huge growing club out of the process is short sighted, cynical and self serving...

Because they are a HUGE growing club is their automatic qualifier? Come on Now...

Hey, Kicks is a quickly growing club, QUALITY teams... maybe the big boys will let us come to the dance!!

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Post by Lakedad on Thu Feb 13, 2014 4:18 pm

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silentparent wrote:nope, i have nothing to do with LP, i just think locking a huge growing club out of the process is short sighted, cynical and self serving...

Because they are a HUGE growing club is their automatic qualifier? Come on Now...

Hey, Kicks is a quickly growing club, QUALITY teams... maybe the big boys will let us come to the dance!!

Just a guess, but Sting is really trying to grow the boys side (FC Titans I think). The additional coaches could be in preparation for a big push there.
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Re: JD's departure from FCD

Post by soccersounder on Thu Feb 13, 2014 4:18 pm

TatonkaBurger wrote:So even though Dallas Rush continues to promise an impending membership, they've got to be behind LP in member review process in NTX, right?

Sorry to Homers at Pool and Dallas Rush, but ECNL already is fully aware of DFW being very diluted. Classics Elite in San Antonio and OFC in OKC are next in-line for ECNL and most likely when a club drops from Dallas...
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Post by Lefty on Thu Feb 13, 2014 4:23 pm

Homeboy wrote:From ECNL website:
REVIEW PROCESS. Completed applications will be reviewed by a committee selected by the ECNL Board of Directors based on the following criteria:

Club’s Player Development Guidelines.
Club’s History of Youth Player Development.
Club’s History of Success in Elite Competitions, Tournaments and Leagues.
Club’s Philosophy.
Club’s Technical Staff (including quality of Coaching Staff).
Overall Club Infrastructure

So LP rightful claim is what based on the ECNL criteria?

One of these three must be holding them back:
. Player Development Guidelines
. Technical Staff
. Club infrastructure

Given the # of players they have developed over the years who have gone on to college and the national teams, combined with the number of regional and national championships, and their focus on quality over quantity.

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Post by Guest on Thu Feb 13, 2014 4:25 pm

Hey, but they make a ton of money over there at LP!!

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Post by Lefty on Thu Feb 13, 2014 4:29 pm

Borussia wrote:Hey, but they make a ton of money over there at LP!!

Ok, but they were already good in the 'Club Philosophy' category.

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Post by GrandTXSoccer on Thu Feb 13, 2014 4:33 pm

Higgy was a planned deal, JD was not. He was forced out at FCD and had to find a place to land. I think he asked around every where and even tried to take some of his teams but had no luck. I wouldn't read too much into the coaching movement, CP to Solar was suppossed to be a game changer but it wasn't. JD is a really good coach and gets quite a bit out of the girls, eventually he'll build more winners like he did at FCD.

As far as LP and ECNL, my guess is that eventually they will be in there, just may take a few more years. As far as the criteria about the only one I see as a question mark would be history in elite competitions but what is considered an elite competition. Up until the ECNL years start they've had some pretty good success but who knows. Seems like they do a pretty good job of development as well, much better than someone like D'feeters and probably as good as anyone else in the preECNL years.

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Re: JD's departure from FCD

Post by ballhead on Thu Feb 13, 2014 4:55 pm

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TatonkaBurger wrote:So even though Dallas Rush continues to promise an impending membership, they've got to be behind LP in member review process in NTX, right?

Sorry to Homers at Pool and Dallas Rush, but ECNL already is fully aware of DFW being very diluted. Classics Elite in San Antonio and OFC in OKC are next in-line for ECNL and most likely when a club drops from Dallas...

I think this is probably the case.  There is no way they add a Liverpool, Rush, or anybody until some dramatic change in the competitive landscape in NTX.  At least one of the clubs would have to drop out (or be dropped) from the league before another team is added.  It doesn't mean they won't ever get in, but I don't think it will be for at least several years.

Frankly, as the post above suggests, I'm not sure that the league wouldn't elect to stick with 4 clubs in the area (if one dropped out) and add another from outside NTX.  It would surely help with the whole dilution of talent.  

In the big picture, it's not like there is a huge downside to the player due to the number of clubs.  Players can and do find their way to an ECNL team if they are sufficiently talented and motivated.

What it does hurt is that those clubs don't get to use their "ECNL Pipeline" as a recruiting tool.

I can understand that it does seem a bit of an unfair disadvantage to be left out of the ECNL process, I'm just not sure there is a short term solution.
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Re: JD's departure from FCD

Post by Guest on Thu Feb 13, 2014 4:57 pm


Teams - ECNL and Select
2013/14 Year
Team Age Group League/Association Coach
D’Feeters Amateur Team
Amateur NTAL/USASA Tina Flanders
’96 D’Feeters ECNL Under 18 ECNL/US Club
Hugh Bradford
’97 D’Feeters ECNL Under 17 ECNL/US Club
Don McElwee
’98 D’Feeters ECNL Under 16 ECNL/US Club
Hugh Bradford
’99 D’Feeters ECNL Under 15 ECNL/US Club
Hugh Bradford
’00 D’Feeters ECNL Under 14 ECNL/US Club
Randy Shaw
’96 D’Feeters-Maserang Under 18 LHGCL/USYSA JR Maserang
’00 D’Feeters-Patulea Under 14 LHGCL/USYSA Laura J. Thompson-Patulea
’01 D’Feeters-Pfeil Under 13 LHGCL/USYSA David Pfeil
’02 D’Feeters-Abouzar Under 12 LHGCL/USYSA Babak Abouzar
’02 D’Feeters-Muñoz Under 12 AYSA/USYSA Lisa Muñoz
’02 D’Feeters-Wombough Under 12 LHGCL/USYSA Tom Wombough
’03 D’Feeters-Hilliard Under 11 LHGCL/USYSA Dave Hilliard
’03 D’Feeters-Blevins Under 11
PYSA/USYSA Kenny Blevins

anyone believe this club applying NOW with this amount of clubs, coaches and infrastructure would be considered?

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Post by Guest on Thu Feb 13, 2014 5:00 pm

The problem i have with this, and using LP as an example is that LP has a huge amount of teams but then an organization like the dfeeters gets to siphon off those players because of ecnl status, when they barely can attract players to their club organically even with the ecnl status.

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Post by BrianWilliams on Thu Feb 13, 2014 5:01 pm

I am sure plenty will have a different opinion on his ability to coach. His 04G team is built from girls trained at other programs. Only 2 legacy FC Dallas girls on that team. And the amount of turnover has been astronomical.

Even Barry Switzer has a Super Bowl ring.

Surprised any club with full knowledge of his escapades at FC Dallas would want to hire him.
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Post by Lefty on Thu Feb 13, 2014 5:01 pm

To silentparent, the answer is no. Figure they have 1 or at most 2 more years to turn it around or merge.

That said, see Ballhead's post. 3 or 4 is probably the right answer for NTX 3 if they wants the teams to be competitive and 4 if they don't care.


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Post by Guest on Thu Feb 13, 2014 5:05 pm

Lefty wrote:Nope. But see Ballhead's post. 3 or 4 is probably the right answer for NTX 3 if they wants the teams to be competitive and 4 if they don't care.

then why not decertify them and give it to a club that is shown they are viable?

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Post by Gunner9 on Thu Feb 13, 2014 5:05 pm

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Surprised any club with full knowledge of his escapades at FC Dallas would want to hire him.

Don't know or care about this particular coach, but by that criterion there would be a LOT fewer coaches in NTX. Hmmmmmm, that might not be so bad.... scratch 

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Post by Lefty on Thu Feb 13, 2014 5:11 pm

silentparent wrote:
Lefty wrote:Nope. But see Ballhead's post. 3 or 4 is probably the right answer for NTX 3 if they wants the teams to be competitive and 4 if they don't care.

then why not decertify them and give it to a club that is shown they are viable?

Viable at what?  

If I had to place a bet on a club fulfilling the ECNL criteria in NTX and displacing one of the incumbents in the next 2-4 years it would be Rush rather then Liverpool based on organizational history and success.

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Post by ballhead on Thu Feb 13, 2014 5:15 pm

silentparent wrote:
Lefty wrote:Nope. But see Ballhead's post. 3 or 4 is probably the right answer for NTX 3 if they wants the teams to be competitive and 4 if they don't care.

then why not decertify them and give it to a club that is shown they are viable?

I can actually see that happening.  Don't know if it will, but I think it could be argued.  In comparison to Sting, Texans, FCD, and Solar, Feet is the weakest link.  

That said, I still don't believe the next Texas Division club they add will be Liverpool.
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