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Post by Guest 21/03/14, 04:17 pm

The issue isnt only paperwork. It's really more about ref culture. A ref doing these younger games does not want to have to turn in his sheets with a bunch of yellows and reds because it makes him/her look bad with the assignor. The thought is you should be able to control these youngers without cards, and if you don't have the presence to control u12s without cards, an assignor might be hesitant to ever put you on older age group games...which pay more and carry more prestige among refs.

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Post by Guest 21/03/14, 04:21 pm

the first responsibilty of a ref, especially for children is to run a clean SAFE game. saying you didnt want to throw a kid out because of paperwork is beyond lame and chickensht if some kid gets seriously hurt...

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Post by RightWingDad 21/03/14, 05:04 pm

I would be a fan of issuing cards to kids, U11, U10, U9 even. We played a game the other day and my dd was called for a foul. I don't think it was intentional, but it was a foul as she lifted her elbow prior to a colision.

What did the ref do? He said "what-the-heck did you do that for?"

What irks me is that he passed up a perfect opportunity for a teaching moment to instruct her on what kind of play warrants a foul or even yellow/red card. Kids need to know these things. When ref's elect not to call them it only teaches players to use their physicality if they so choose.

Maybe next year we'll have a Ref meet the Parents meeting. Communication and expectations need to flow both ways.
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Post by NoFanOfDrama 26/03/14, 10:21 am

RightWingDad wrote:I would be a fan of issuing cards to kids, U11, U10, U9 even. We played a game the other day and my dd was called for a foul. I don't think it was intentional, but it was a foul as she lifted her elbow prior to a colision.

What did the ref do? He said "what-the-heck did you do that for?"

What irks me is that he passed up a perfect opportunity for a teaching moment to instruct her on what kind of play warrants a foul or even yellow/red card. Kids need to know these things. When ref's elect not to call them it only teaches players to use their physicality if they so choose.

Maybe next year we'll have a Ref meet the Parents meeting. Communication and expectations need to flow both ways.

I think I like the idea of "Ref, meet the people that are PAYING YOU to allow their daughters get hurt during bashball" meeting.
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Post by Guest 26/03/14, 11:28 am

NoFanOfDrama wrote:
RightWingDad wrote:I would be a fan of issuing cards to kids, U11, U10, U9 even. We played a game the other day and my dd was called for a foul. I don't think it was intentional, but it was a foul as she lifted her elbow prior to a colision.

What did the ref do? He said "what-the-heck did you do that for?"

What irks me is that he passed up a perfect opportunity for a teaching moment to instruct her on what kind of play warrants a foul or even yellow/red card. Kids need to know these things. When ref's elect not to call them it only teaches players to use their physicality if they so choose.

Maybe next year we'll have a Ref meet the Parents meeting. Communication and expectations need to flow both ways.

I think I like the idea of "Ref, meet the people that are PAYING YOU to allow their daughters get hurt during bashball" meeting.

You'll get it if your DD's team makes LHGCL at U11. LHGCL has mandatory "Meet the Refs" meetings early on in the fall season for all incoming U11 teams. I'm sure someone more recent can confirm, but I want to say that your team gets fined if you don't have at least 1 parent of >80% of your rostered players attend.

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Post by RightWingDad 26/03/14, 11:58 am

bwgophers wrote:
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RightWingDad wrote:I would be a fan of issuing cards to kids, U11, U10, U9 even. We played a game the other day and my dd was called for a foul. I don't think it was intentional, but it was a foul as she lifted her elbow prior to a colision.

What did the ref do? He said "what-the-heck did you do that for?"

What irks me is that he passed up a perfect opportunity for a teaching moment to instruct her on what kind of play warrants a foul or even yellow/red card. Kids need to know these things. When ref's elect not to call them it only teaches players to use their physicality if they so choose.

Maybe next year we'll have a Ref meet the Parents meeting. Communication and expectations need to flow both ways.

I think I like the idea of "Ref, meet the people that are PAYING YOU to allow their daughters get hurt during bashball" meeting.

You'll get it if your DD's team makes LHGCL at U11.  LHGCL has mandatory "Meet the Refs" meetings early on in the fall season for all incoming U11 teams.  I'm sure someone more recent can confirm, but I want to say that your team gets fined if you don't have at least 1 parent of >80% of your rostered players attend.

BWG, that's kinda what I was referring to. We attended that meeting last year and while it was a nice meeting with good information and some Q&A....I was poking a little fun at it because the takeaway from that meeting was "We the Refs" are gonna tell you "the soccer rookies" how this all works because you really have no clue what we go through. All I'd like to see is a little more attention given to calling fouls where kids play through the other player rather than attempting to play the ball. OK, back to work, no, wait. It's lunch time....carry on.
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Post by oldboot 26/03/14, 12:04 pm

I have always wondered whether there is a bit of a "Daddy Bias" at work with male soccer refs who seem reluctant to throw a card when one of our sweet daughters does something naughty to an opponent on the pitch. I wonder if there are more cards pulled in the boys classic league games.
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Post by Guest 26/03/14, 12:07 pm

RightWingDad wrote:
bwgophers wrote:
NoFanOfDrama wrote:
RightWingDad wrote:I would be a fan of issuing cards to kids, U11, U10, U9 even. We played a game the other day and my dd was called for a foul. I don't think it was intentional, but it was a foul as she lifted her elbow prior to a colision.

What did the ref do? He said "what-the-heck did you do that for?"

What irks me is that he passed up a perfect opportunity for a teaching moment to instruct her on what kind of play warrants a foul or even yellow/red card. Kids need to know these things. When ref's elect not to call them it only teaches players to use their physicality if they so choose.

Maybe next year we'll have a Ref meet the Parents meeting. Communication and expectations need to flow both ways.

I think I like the idea of "Ref, meet the people that are PAYING YOU to allow their daughters get hurt during bashball" meeting.

You'll get it if your DD's team makes LHGCL at U11.  LHGCL has mandatory "Meet the Refs" meetings early on in the fall season for all incoming U11 teams.  I'm sure someone more recent can confirm, but I want to say that your team gets fined if you don't have at least 1 parent of >80% of your rostered players attend.

BWG, that's kinda what I was referring to. We attended that meeting last year and while it was a nice meeting with good information and some Q&A....I was poking a little fun at it because the takeaway from that meeting was "We the Refs" are gonna tell you "the soccer rookies" how this all works because you really have no clue what we go through. All I'd like to see is a little more attention given to calling fouls where kids play through the other player rather than attempting to play the ball. OK, back to work, no, wait. It's lunch time....carry on.

Yup. That's pretty much how the meeting goes. Would love to be there when NFOD attends to see how that goes. tongue 

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Post by NoFanOfDrama 26/03/14, 01:41 pm

bwgophers wrote:
Yup.  That's pretty much how the meeting goes.  Would love to be there when NFOD attends to see how that goes. tongue 

I already went to that meeting. Essentially there were some LHGCL folks telling us that they won't tolerate any bad behavior towards the refs because they don't have enough refs to go around as it is.

Kind of a sit down, shut up, and accept what we give you mentality.
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Post by purezen 26/03/14, 02:11 pm

Sounds like BS to me. Guess they forgot who writes the checks!
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Post by jsullivan81 26/03/14, 02:26 pm

Yes. Because our fees pay them, they should answer to us. I really hope you are not in management.

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Post by Guest 26/03/14, 02:32 pm

I'm pretty good at wasting time, but that waste of time feels like 45 minutes of my life that someone stole from me.

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Post by Lefty 26/03/14, 03:15 pm

purezen wrote:Sounds like BS to me.  Guess they forgot who writes the checks!

Minor problem with that logic.  Neither LHGCL or the Clubs see the need to improve or make changes to the refereeing and the resulting style of soccer as important to their goals.

From their perspective, complain all you want but what are you going to do about it?


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Post by Guest 26/03/14, 03:16 pm

Lefty wrote:
purezen wrote:Sounds like BS to me.  Guess they forgot who writes the checks!

Minor problem with that logic.  Neither LHGCL or the Clubs see the need to improve or changes to the refereeing and the resulting style of soccer as important to their goals.

From their perspective, complain all you want but what are you going to do about it?

It would be amusing if Mark Cuban were a NTX soccer mom.

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