The Joker wrote:

yuklite wrote:The two most successful and powerful girls' clubs in the nations, the Dallas Texans and the SoCal Blues, are not in ECNL.
SoCal Blues and Texans teams get accepted into National League. ECNL was started for clubs whose teams, across the board, do not necessarily get accepted.
I would be willing to bet that Texans 96 will play in National League.

Yuk, that is a very good point but at the rate ECNL is picking up clubs, who will the Texans and SoCal Blues be playing at say, Disney? Maybe you are more up on this and can explain more. You are right, Texans 96 will be playing national league because the whole club hs to enter into ECNL, not just one team.

There are only eight teams in NL per age group, so I doubt they have a problem finding enough quality teams. A quick glance at the gotsoccer or NSR top 20 offers enough non-ECNL teams to easily fill the bracket. With the expansion of ECNL leading to fewer teams available it would make sense if USYS looks at changing the rules (or making exceptions) for teams outside of the Premiere Leagues to be eligible for NL.

The Joker wrote:

yuklite wrote:The two most successful and powerful girls' clubs in the nations, the Dallas Texans and the SoCal Blues, are not in ECNL.
SoCal Blues and Texans teams get accepted into National League. ECNL was started for clubs whose teams, across the board, do not necessarily get accepted.
I would be willing to bet that Texans 96 will play in National League.

Yuk, that is a very good point but at the rate ECNL is picking up clubs, who will the Texans and SoCal Blues be playing at say, Disney? Maybe you are more up on this and can explain more. You are right, Texans 96 will be playing national league because the whole club hs to enter into ECNL, not just one team.

What an arrogant bastard. Are we not honored to be in the presence of such greatness? Simply saying the word "Texans," Grundle can feel a surge of power that shakes his very soul. What magnificence!
Yukuth, when but 2 teams remain in National League, please keep us up to date with how the head-to-head series with the Blues comes out. Pencil prick.

"It ain't bragging if it's true."

OK.....I'll stay out of that one.

Gunners- I really haven't read the rules for application for National League. But basing it on what you posted above, if that is a carryover rule each season, it looks like the '96 team couldn't apply until having a year of PL under their belt. Am I understanding that correctly?

So, Yuk/Guru If that is the case, how is it you think the Texans '96 team will be in National League?

Yuk, I'm also a little confused about your comments. I thought entry to National League was based on an individual team's credentials....the objective being to put the best 8 teams in the country, for each age group, into National League. But you suggested the Texans name alone, is enough to get their teams in. So which is it? Club reputation or quality of team?
As a side note, club reputation is the basis for particpation in ECNL. Then each year, the age group is bracketed based on team strength.

2.01 Team Eligibility
Any team affiliated with a US Youth Soccer State Association may request entry to the NL subject to the specific
team eligibility requirements established for each annual season by the NL Committee. Team eligibility
requirements shall be outlined in “Appendix A” within these Rules and may be revised on an annual seasonal
basis by the NL Committee.

2.07 Final Authority on Team Acceptance
The NL Committee shall have the final authority to accept teams into the NL.

Reading those rules, along with what you posted earlier. It appears that each year is a great big ole "subject to change."

socrocks wrote:OK.....I'll stay out of that one.

Gunners- I really haven't read the rules for application for National League. But basing it on what you posted above, if that is a carryover rule each season, it looks like the '96 team couldn't apply until having a year of PL under their belt. Am I understanding that correctly?

So, Yuk/Guru If that is the case, how is it you think the Texans '96 team will be in National League?

Yuk, I'm also a little confused about your comments. I thought entry to National League was based on an individual team's credentials....the objective being to put the best 8 teams in the country, for each age group, into National League. But you suggested the Texans name alone, is enough to get their teams in. So which is it? Club reputation or quality of team?
As a side note, club reputation is the basis for particpation in ECNL. Then each year, the age group is bracketed based on team strength.

My comments were based soley on that fact that the Texans have always participated in NL. I had know idea what the rules were for NL. My main point was that if Texans 96 were going to be in a "showcase" style league, it would more than likely be the NL.

On another note, I am still wondering which Solar team will play the ECNL league. In the 96 division we have two Solar teams competing for that one spot in ECNL. I dont see combining players because anyone will tell you that there is a big difference in Solar Red and Solar. Almost like two differents clubs.

Dont be calling me out Socrocks!!! I know where you live!!

Of course you do, Mama still needs a ride home in the morning.
For a newlywed, you're very obedient and understanding. (wonder how long it will take before this gets pulled?)

Now, where were we? Ah yes, ECNL.

How about some input from the Solar - Solar Red folks on their ECNL situation? I've heard whichever team finishes higher in LH will get the ECNL spot. Also heard that it may be a merge, of sorts. What's the word?

socrocks wrote:Of course you do, Mama still needs a ride home in the morning.
For a newlywed, you're very obedient and understanding. (wonder how long it will take before this gets pulled?)

Now, where were we? Ah yes, ECNL.

How about some input from the Solar - Solar Red folks on their ECNL situation? I've heard whichever team finishes higher in LH will get the ECNL spot. Also heard that it may be a merge, of sorts. What's the word?

First I've heard of this...it would make things interesting. With Solar Blue probably being promoted, I would 'assume' it would open the door for Solar Gold to fill the spot of any Solar team that doesn't make?

Just a couple points I thought should be tossed out here since there isnt a whole lot happening in the 95 world and this thread caught my eye. The National League just finished its 3rd season so its history is still very much in the formative stage and obviously has just a bit more history than the newly formed Elite Clubs National League. I think one league over the other will come to be viewed as "THE" league over the next few years. IMHO the way things are trending at this point in time I would have to say the ECNL appears to have the edge based on the sheer number of quality teams that are participating in the league. Just by the fact that the National League isnt the only game in town any longer should provide another very good avenue for highly competitive girls soccer to be played in this country and all of us with kids involved in this sport should welcome this opportunity. Now as far as the "best" girls clubs in the country goes Yuk has his right to an opinion as do we all but if we were to base the "best" as clubs with the highest number of National Champions then that title may belong to teams other than those mentioned previously.
GIRLS UNDER 19-ROSS STEWART CUP
1980 The Sting, N-TX
1981 D'feeters Green, N-TX
1982 The Sting, N-TX
1983 Saratoga Spirits, CA-N
1984 Braddock Road Blue Bells, VA
1985 The Sting, N-TX
1986 Massapequa Falcons, E-NY
1987 The Sting, N-TX
1988 The Sting, N-TX
1989 Livonia Hawks, MI
1990 Springfield Spirit, VA
1991 J.B. Marine S.C., MO
1992 Texas Longhorns, N-TX
1993 Hammer F.C., OH South
1994 Greater Boston Bolts, MA
1995 Town N' Country Heather, FL
1996 North Huntington Beach FC 77, CA-S
1997 Ridgefield Yankee United Nova, CT
1998 Shamrocks, CA-S
1999 Cardinal Premier, OH S
2000 Colorado Rush Nike, CO
2001 Colorado Rush Nike, CO
2002 San Diego Surf White, CA-S
2003 Peachtree City Lazers, GA
2004 Pleasanton Rage, CA-N
2005 Stars of Massachusets, MA
2006 Colorado Rush Nike, CO
2007 Carmel United Cyclones, IN
2008 Force Football Club, MI
2009 Colorado Rush Nike, CO
GIRLS UNDER 18-FRANK KELLY CUP
1994 Fountain Valley Spirit, CA-S
1995 Raleigh Spartans, NC
1996 FC Royals, WA
1997 Sting '79, N-TX
1998 Central Valley Mercury, CA-N
1999 Northport/Cowharbor Piranha, E-NY
2000 Colorado Rush Nike, CO
2001 Michigan Hawks, MI
2002 Colorado Girls Soccer Academy, Colo.
2003 Dallas Texans Red '85, N-TX
2004 Michigan Hawks, MI
2005 Laguna Hills Eclipse, CA-S
2006 Dallas Texans Red 88 North, N-TX
2007 Bloomfield Force, MI
2008 Colorado Rush, CO
2009 FC Bucks Vipers, E-PA
GIRLS UNDER 17-LAURA MOYNIHAN CUP
1991 Michigan Hawks, MI
1992 Sparta, IL
1993 Connecticut Omni, CT
1994 DeAnza Magic, CA-N
1995 Central Valley Express, CA-N
1996 FC Royals, WA
1997 Central Valley Mercury, CA-N
1998 Colorado Rush, CO
1999 Colorado Rush, CO
2000 San Diego Surf, CA-S
2001 Bethesda Fury, MD
2002 Pleasanton Rage, CA-N
2003 Sereno '86 Golden Eagles, AZ
2004 So Cal United, CA-S
2005 Eclipse Select, IL
2006 Eclipse Select, IL
2007 Eagles SC, CA-S
2008 Dallas Texans 91 Red, N-TX
2009 Eclipse Select 91-92, IL
GIRLS UNDER 16-US YOUTH SOCCER CUP (Formerly
PATRICIA L. MASOTTO CUP)
1985 Black Watch Heather, FL
1986 Mission Viejo Soccerettes, CA-S
1987 Sachem Tomahawks, E-NY
1988 Springfield Spirit, VA
1989 Fairfax Police Youth Express, VA
1990 Willingboro Strikers, NJ
1991 Mission Viejo Herricanes, CA-S
1992 Burnsville Giants, MN
1993 J.B. Marine, MO
1994 '78 Roadrunners, CA-N
1995 Dallas Sting, N-TX
1996 Central Valley Mercury, CA-N
1997 Northport/Cow Harbor Piranha, E-NY
1998 Weston Wild Thing, CT
1999 Windsor World Class, CT
2000 South California Blues, CA-S
2001 GSA '85 Phoenix Red, GA
2002 West Valley Samba, CA-S
2003 San Diego Surf, CA-S
2004 Eclipse Select, IL
2005 Slammers SC, CA-S
2006 Real Colorado National, CO
2007 McLean Freedom, VA
2008 Dallas Texans Red 92, N-TX
2009 De Anza Force, CA-N
GIRLS UNDER 15-KRISTINE LILLY CUP
2001 Colorado Rush Nike, CO
2002 Laguna Hills Eclipse, CA-S
2003 PDA Wildcats, NJ
2004 Mustang Blast, CA-N
2005 St. Louis Soccer Club, MO
2006 Eclipse Select, IL
2007 So Cal Blues, CA-S
2008 Dallas Texans 93 Red Dallas, N-TX
2009 San Diego Surf, CA-S
GIRLS UNDER 14-ELMER EHLERS
2001 KC Dynamos, KS
2002 Slammers FC, CA-S
2003 Slammers FC, CA-S
2004 Eagles, CA-S
2005 So Cal Blues, CA-S
2006 ISC Strikers, CA-S
2007 Sting Dallas Royal, N-TX
2008 San Juan Spirits, CA-N
2009 Mustang Blast, CA-N
I didnt count em or anything just copied and pasted what was listed as past National Champs and quite a few are playing ECNL.

Gunners wrote:

socrocks wrote:Of course you do, Mama still needs a ride home in the morning.
For a newlywed, you're very obedient and understanding. (wonder how long it will take before this gets pulled?)

Now, where were we? Ah yes, ECNL.

How about some input from the Solar - Solar Red folks on their ECNL situation? I've heard whichever team finishes higher in LH will get the ECNL spot. Also heard that it may be a merge, of sorts. What's the word?

First I've heard of this...it would make things interesting. With Solar Blue probably being promoted, I would 'assume' it would open the door for Solar Gold to fill the spot of any Solar team that doesn't make?

Wow Gunners! You really threw a curve ball in here now!!! We need some Solar input. Where are those Solar supporters?

I'll go with Soccer America's ratings.

yuklite wrote:I'll go with Soccer America's ratings.

Are you taling about the same Soccer America rankings where 29 of the 40 top clubs are now in ECNL? 7 in the top 10 alone.
What happens when the Texans no longer play those 29 clubs ranked by Soccer America next year?

Need to clarify. Guru, it was me that made the comment about the Solar - Solar Red merge (not Gunners). I was not referring to a full merger of the teams (as in eliminating one of them). I was referring to a comment that I heard that for purpuses of ECNL they may be taking kids from each of the teams to form a team....rather than it be an either/or situation with Solar and Solar Red.

Yuk...you did not answer my question (from above):

"Yuk, I'm also a little confused about your comments. I thought entry to National League was based on an individual team's credentials....the objective being to put the best 8 teams in the country, for each age group, into National League. But you suggested the Texans name alone, is enough to get their teams in. So which is it? Club reputation or quality of team?"