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Post by ONLYASOCCERDAD on 20/08/14, 01:02 pm

Burn out doesn't exist the way most try to make it sound. You can, IMO, equate it to "diminishing returns" from economics class 101. if your BB or DD is working harder and seeing less results, compared to competition, they may quit. NOT BECAUSE THEY HAVE TRAINED TOO MUCH OR TOO LONG. IT'S JUST TIME TO MOVE ON.

"diminishing returns, also called law of diminishing returns or principle of diminishing marginal productivity , economic law stating that if one input in the production of a commodity is increased while all other inputs are held fixed, a point will eventually be reached at which additions of the input yield progressively smaller, or diminishing, increases in output."

in a nut shell the "peter principle" is around us in all aspects of life including youth sports. so the next time a young man or women quits a sport, lets just say they "petered out". that is closer to the truth

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Post by Lefty on 20/08/14, 01:30 pm

You are not trying to say that everyone can not be whatever they want, if they just try hard enough, are you?

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Post by ONLYASOCCERDAD on 20/08/14, 02:56 pm

Lefty wrote:You are not trying to say that everyone can not be whatever they want, if they just try hard enough, are you?

 affraid affraid 

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Post by go99 on 20/08/14, 02:59 pm

no such thing as burnout. Eventually kids get old enough to determine what they want to do with their time. They start to realize that maybe no matter how much mommy and daddy tell me I am great I can see with my own eyes that they are full of $#!T
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Post by MustangGT on 20/08/14, 03:37 pm

Um no... A player can be great as any other but decide one day they no longer whish to put the time in and would rather try something else.

This is common when young players start the game because parents put them in. They show talent and promise and excel however, as they grow, they simply become more interested in something else.


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Post by ONLYASOCCERDAD on 20/08/14, 03:59 pm

MustangGT wrote:Um no... A player can be great as any other but decide one day they no longer whish to put the time in and would rather try something else.

This is common when young players start the game because parents put them in. They show talent and promise and excel however, as they grow, they simply become more interested in something else.


but that is NOT burnout

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Post by Guest on 20/08/14, 04:19 pm

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Post by tschlurker on 20/08/14, 04:29 pm

Is it burnout when a kid goes the whole 9 yards to get a D1 soccer scholarship, gets one, then decides not to play once they get to college?

Burnout may not really ever happen in youth soccer -- depending how you define it, the concept of burnout may not apply to middle class and up kids with plenty of activity options, which promotes trying everything but (perhaps) mastering nothing, which may ultimately leads to kids moving on at some point as others have said.

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Post by MustangGT on 20/08/14, 04:48 pm

Burnout simply means you have become emotionally tired of something... the enjoyment is no longer worth the effort. This has nothing to do with ability.

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Post by ONLYASOCCERDAD on 20/08/14, 04:50 pm

tschlurker wrote:Is it burnout when a kid goes the whole 9 yards to get a D1 soccer scholarship, gets one, then decides not to play once they get to college?

Burnout may not really ever happen in youth soccer -- depending how you define it, the concept of burnout may not apply to middle class and up kids with plenty of activity options, which promotes trying everything but (perhaps) mastering nothing, which may ultimately leads to kids moving on at some point as others have said.

no is my answer to your question

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Post by Lefty on 20/08/14, 04:57 pm

tschlurker wrote:Is it burnout when a kid goes the whole 9 yards to get a D1 soccer scholarship, gets one, then decides not to play once they get to college?

Burnout may not really ever happen in youth soccer -- depending how you define it, the concept of burnout may not apply to middle class and up kids with plenty of activity options, which promotes trying everything but (perhaps) mastering nothing, which may ultimately leads to kids moving on at some point as others have said.

I'm not sure there is any one definition for 'burnout'.  Different people use it to describe different situations.

I kind of think about it as their priorities change, or they decide they do not want to live the lifestyle that is needed to be able to compete at the level they have achieved to date.  i.e no right or wrong, good or bad, they just choose a college experience different than that of a college soccer player.

Probably better if they figure that out before deciding what school to attend.

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Post by ONLYASOCCERDAD on 20/08/14, 05:00 pm

Lefty wrote:
tschlurker wrote:Is it burnout when a kid goes the whole 9 yards to get a D1 soccer scholarship, gets one, then decides not to play once they get to college?

Burnout may not really ever happen in youth soccer -- depending how you define it, the concept of burnout may not apply to middle class and up kids with plenty of activity options, which promotes trying everything but (perhaps) mastering nothing, which may ultimately leads to kids moving on at some point as others have said.

I'm not sure there is any one definition for 'burnout'.  Different people use it to describe different situations.

I kind of think about it as their priorities change, or they decide they do not want to live the lifestyle that is needed to be able to compete at the level they have achieved to date.  i.e no right or wrong, good or bad, they just choose a college experience different than that of a college soccer player.

good points! i just hate hearing people use burnout as in the child played to many indoor games, etc. or as in; the parents burned them out.

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Post by Guest on 20/08/14, 05:04 pm

bwgophers wrote:I'm burned out on the seriousness of this discussion... geek 
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Post by Wired on 20/08/14, 05:13 pm

You might be tired of hearing about it but it still happens. Sometimes a coach or a parent can put so much pressure on a kid without enough positive reinforcement that they decide it is no longer worth the effort. If I tell you everyday that you suck, you will finally decide it's not worth it. What would you call that? Burnout! You'd probably just call that kid quitter.

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Post by ONLYASOCCERDAD on 20/08/14, 05:35 pm

Wired wrote:You might be tired of hearing about it but it still happens. Sometimes a coach or a parent can put so much pressure on a kid without enough positive reinforcement that they decide it is no longer worth the effort. If I tell you everyday that you suck, you will finally decide it's not worth it. What would you call that? Burnout! You'd probably just call that kid quitter.

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Post by Guest on 20/08/14, 05:38 pm

Cleansheets wrote:
bwgophers wrote:I'm burned out on the seriousness of this discussion... geek 
Wooderson!

Allright... Allright... Allright...


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Post by Wired on 20/08/14, 05:47 pm

No doubt it's abuse from the parents or coach and it happens all the time. A kid can only take so much pressure without having positive reinforcement. Some parents don't know when enough is enough so the kid feels they have no other alternative but quit, that's burnout.

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Post by Gunner9 on 20/08/14, 06:00 pm

An entire thread about semantics. Call it what you will, but I've seen hundreds of kids "burned out" on the game by their parent(s).

Being shuttled from outdoor practice to indoor games to speed and agility training to futsal games to guesting with every team imaginable for "more touches", all the while being told in the minivan you just have to get better, try harder, be more like mia........well, sometimes its just not fun anymore. Even for those performing at a very high level.

And sometimes it takes the kid a long, long time to get the nerve to quit. It's just a game.

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Post by boilerjoe_96 on 20/08/14, 06:41 pm

Whew...no minivan here..in the clear!!
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Post by ONLYASOCCERDAD on 20/08/14, 09:55 pm

Wired wrote:No doubt it's abuse from the parents or coach and it happens all the time. A kid can only take so much pressure without having positive reinforcement. Some parents don't know when enough is enough so the kid feels they have no other alternative but quit, that's burnout.

i still can't make the connection between abusive behavior from adults and burnout. there are many other adjectives. burnout is an overused and misunderstood word.....

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Post by ONLYASOCCERDAD on 20/08/14, 09:58 pm

Gunner9 wrote:An entire thread about semantics.  Call it what you will, but I've seen hundreds of kids "burned out" on the game by their parent(s).  

Being shuttled from outdoor practice to indoor games to speed and agility training to futsal games to guesting with every team imaginable for "more touches", all the while being told in the minivan you just have to get better, try harder, be more like mia........well, sometimes its just not fun anymore.  Even for those performing at a very high level.

And sometimes it takes the kid a long, long time to get the nerve to quit.  It's just a game.

agree on almost every point!!!! sometimes the kid wants to quit, as you say, but doesn't muster of the nerve right away. probably wouldn't quit if he/she could just show up for games. my point is it is NOT NECESSARILY BURNOUT. but thats what everyone choose to label it

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Post by Andy Dufrane on 20/08/14, 10:17 pm

Gunner9 wrote:An entire thread about semantics.  Call it what you will, but I've seen hundreds of kids "burned out" on the game by their parent(s).  

Being shuttled from outdoor practice to indoor games to speed and agility training to futsal games to guesting with every team imaginable for "more touches", all the while being told in the minivan you just have to get better, try harder, be more like mia........well, sometimes its just not fun anymore.  Even for those performing at a very high level.

And sometimes it takes the kid a long, long time to get the nerve to quit.  It's just a game.

What Gunner9 said. And what MustangGT said, too. Parents and coaches burn kids out of this sport all of the time. In fact, I would contend that many of those who continue to play at a lower level do so more for the love of the game than their ECNL/LHGCL/ODP/blahblahblah counterparts and tend to become true long term players. A lot of parents ruin it for their little college-bound prodigies and won't admit it until it's too late... if ever. Just one more game would make the difference. Just another round of private skills training. Just another season of two games in two different jerseys every weekend. And someone would dare make the statement that "Duhhhhhhh. That doesn't sound like my definition of burnout." What a crock.

It's not about ability; it's about enjoying what you do. Too many on here make their child's pastime a full-time job. Hint: If the number of posts beside the username surpasses, say, 400-500, there are some significant I-take-children's-soccer-way-too-seriously issues. In the thousands? Those people need interventions.

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Post by ONLYASOCCERDAD on 20/08/14, 10:31 pm

Andy Dufrane wrote:
Gunner9 wrote:An entire thread about semantics.  Call it what you will, but I've seen hundreds of kids "burned out" on the game by their parent(s).  

Being shuttled from outdoor practice to indoor games to speed and agility training to futsal games to guesting with every team imaginable for "more touches", all the while being told in the minivan you just have to get better, try harder, be more like mia........well, sometimes its just not fun anymore.  Even for those performing at a very high level.

And sometimes it takes the kid a long, long time to get the nerve to quit.  It's just a game.

What Gunner9 said.  And what MustangGT said, too.  Parents and coaches burn kids out of this sport all of the time.  In fact, I would contend that many of those who continue to play at a lower level do so more for the love of the game than their ECNL/LHGCL/ODP/blahblahblah counterparts and tend to become true long term players.  A lot of parents ruin it for their little college-bound prodigies and won't admit it until it's too late... if ever.  Just one more game would make the difference.  Just another round of private skills training.  Just another season of two games in two different jerseys every weekend.  And someone would dare make the statement that "Duhhhhhhh.  That doesn't sound like my definition of burnout."  What a crock.

It's not about ability; it's about enjoying what you do.  Too many on here make their child's pastime a full-time job.  Hint:  If the number of posts beside the username surpasses, say, 400-500, there are some significant I-take-children's-soccer-way-too-seriously issues.  In the thousands?  Those people need interventions.  

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Post by ONLYASOCCERDAD on 20/08/14, 10:40 pm

burn·out
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1.
the reduction of a fuel or substance to nothing through use or combustion.
"good carbon burnout"
2.
physical or mental collapse caused by overwork or stress.
"high levels of professionalism that may result in burnout"

i'm not debating the clinical term or definition. there are a few of these extraordinary cases but in general there are MANY MORE REASONS a child gives up. Mone' (if i spelled it correctly) the female 13 yr old pitching phenom, said today that baseball may be her 3rd sport. she may choose basketball or soccer as number 1. i hope her passion is real and not that of her parents and coaches

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Post by Guest on 20/08/14, 10:49 pm

Andy Dufrane wrote:

What Gunner9 said.  And what MustangGT said, too.  Parents and coaches burn kids out of this sport all of the time.  In fact, I would contend that many of those who continue to play at a lower level do so more for the love of the game than their ECNL/LHGCL/ODP/blahblahblah counterparts and tend to become true long term players.  A lot of parents ruin it for their little college-bound prodigies and won't admit it until it's too late... if ever.  Just one more game would make the difference.  Just another round of private skills training.  Just another season of two games in two different jerseys every weekend.  And someone would dare make the statement that "Duhhhhhhh.  That doesn't sound like my definition of burnout."  What a crock.

It's not about ability; it's about enjoying what you do.  Too many on here make their child's pastime a full-time job.  Hint:  If the number of posts beside the username surpasses, say, 400-500, there are some significant I-take-children's-soccer-way-too-seriously issues.  In the thousands?  Those people need interventions.  

Looks to me like someone is in need of a spelling intervention...

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