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Guess Players Again - Solar Nero - Club Pass

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Post by reccostx on 26/10/14, 02:06 pm

Solar Rush (formally Nero), strikes again and uses 3 guest players, (1 ea. Def, mid & foward) from their 02/03 team to hold Sparta to 0-0 tie. They can't compete so they use a Sunday game to stack their team and hold back an honest team, who can compete, from achieving their just reward. How is the best team to win when you never know who you will be playing. This is no better than the Academy days. Technically, you have to be able to beat the best 02-D2/D1 LH teams in order to finish first in LH 03-D3. It appears they will do just about anything to hopelessly try and hold a top 5 position and keep a Solar team in D3. This is tanamont to cheating. No other way to say it. They have no regard for honest, hardworking and deserving teams. The boys classic league has the "club pass" rule correct; only players from same or lower division teams can guess play. I have no respect for clubs that use the rule in this manor. This rule is in serious need of modification, if for no other reason than to maintain integrity in the league. LH, please take control back from these shameless club organizations.

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Post by the7wolf on 26/10/14, 02:21 pm

So a club is shameless for adhering to the allowable rules?

Petition NTX if you want rules changed.

You've labelled your team as honest, hardworking and deserving. If you were truly the 'best team' then you'd have had the division wrapped up and this result would have been meaningless.

When somebody breaks the rules, whine about it.

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Post by reccostx on 26/10/14, 03:25 pm

7Wolf,
This is a clear obuse of the club pass rule as it is intended - development. When you skew the competitive advantage to one side by obusing a rule, then yes, the team, as represented by its coaches and club management is shameless. While it suits ones interest, there is compliance, but when it no longer does, the ignorance is lifted.

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Post by Soccerparent2 on 26/10/14, 03:32 pm

Wolf - Per the CPP rules it is for 1) Development of players by allowing them to play higher competition or 2) assist with injuries......Now, there is nobody on SRSA 03 that benefits from playing in a D3 game - sorry, you can't say there is.... SO, this must have been due to injuries - Correct? How fortunate that SRSA played on Saturday and this team played on Sunday. Lucky for them!

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Post by Koba on 26/10/14, 04:05 pm

That DIII Solar team has been using SRSA 03 players all season. It's unfortunate and IMO =  player pass abuse. Kind of surprised that those SRSA parents are interested in their kiddos playing down multiple divisions (from an ego standpoint)
And kind of surprised DM allows it (from a potential for injury standpoint)
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Post by ChuckNorris on 26/10/14, 05:09 pm

Club pass rule is by its nature meant to "stack teams" and help struggling teams maintain their league position, and to say it's for any other purpose is just not true. If it is NOT as I say then why are there no guidelines written into it to prevent abuse. The authors of the rule have put nothing into place to restrict, prevent, oversee, or punish teams who abuse the rule, and of course this was done on purpose. By definition of the rule's stated intent Solar Rush has abused this rule IF it was true that they pulled players from their upper level 02/03 team. If so I do not fault the Solar team for using the rule, I would too if needed. Legal is Legal right, but just because a rule is on the books doesn't make it a reasonable or fair one. Common sense says this rule needs to be flushed down the toilet or seriously modified. Complaining or "whining" as some may call it is the only way things will ever get noticed and changed. How about adjusting the rule to let smaller independent teams borrow three guest players too from ANY team of their choosing when facing a team using club pass. Oh no... that might actually be "FAIR".

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Post by jsullivan81 on 26/10/14, 07:55 pm

Right or wrong, they followed the rule. The didn't cheat. If you don't like it, go to Plano, Arlington, or rec.

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Post by Cmon_Man on 26/10/14, 08:22 pm

I find extremely hard to believe that the top 03 players on the 02 team were used here.  If so I feel pretty confident in saying it would not have been 0-0 tie.
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Post by Koba on 26/10/14, 08:30 pm

Cmon_Man wrote:I find extremely hard to believe that the 03 players on the 02 team were used here.  If so I feel pretty confident in saying it would not have been 0-0 tie.  
They've used SRSA 03 players in every game that they could whether you believe or not


jsullivan81 wrote:Right or wrong, they followed the rule. The didn't cheat. If you don't like it, go to Plano, Arlington, or rec.

Oh my. Very simple minded approach JS. Almost apelike Smile
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Post by imjustsayin on 26/10/14, 08:35 pm

You can find it hard to believe all you want, but I was there to witness it. Sparta held their own, and would have easily dominated this game without the addition of the 3 SRSA players. I feel sorry for the girls/parents who have worked hard all year and had to lose their time on the field to these girls, just so this Solar team could try to come up with a win...any way possible. Too bad it didn't work. My hat goes off to Sparta and all those other teams/coaches who choose to stick with the team they have built from the beginning, and put their faith in them. Way to go Sparta...heck of a game.

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Post by Cmon_Man on 26/10/14, 08:38 pm

I said top 02 players...are you saying it was the top of that roster?
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Post by imjustsayin on 26/10/14, 08:47 pm

I'm saying...why not play with the team that you chose in July...maybe they aren't D3 material???

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Post by Koba on 26/10/14, 08:50 pm

Cmon_Man wrote:I said top 02 players...are you saying it was the top of that roster?  

Actually, Here's what you said

Cmon_Man wrote:I find extremely hard to believe that the top 03 players on the 02 team were used here.  If so I feel pretty confident in saying it would not have been 0-0 tie.

03 SRSA plays in the 02 (or U13) division
Call em what u want but
That's who we are talking bout
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Post by sccrprntsrcrazy on 26/10/14, 08:54 pm

Koba wrote:
Cmon_Man wrote:I said top 02 players...are you saying it was the top of that roster?  

Actually, Here's what you said

Cmon_Man wrote:I find extremely hard to believe that the top 03 players on the 02 team were used here.  If so I feel pretty confident in saying it would not have been 0-0 tie.

03 SRSA plays in the 02 (or U13) division
Call em what u want but
That's who we are talking bout

Thats embarrassing to say the least if they were used and only got a tie.

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Post by Cmon_Man on 26/10/14, 09:02 pm

Koba wrote:
Cmon_Man wrote:I said top 02 players...are you saying it was the top of that roster?  

Actually, Here's what you said

Cmon_Man wrote:I find extremely hard to believe that the top 03 players on the 02 team were used here.  If so I feel pretty confident in saying it would not have been 0-0 tie.

03 SRSA plays in the 02 (or U13) division
Call em what u want but
That's who we are talking bout

Right I know what I said and it is the same thing you are saying. I am asking if you believe the top 03 SRSA players playing in 02 guested with Nero? If you are telling me it is the top of that roster- again I find that hard to believe, based on the result of the match.
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Post by Koba on 26/10/14, 09:10 pm

Not the top 2, but there's no weak players on that roster
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Post by reccostx on 26/10/14, 09:11 pm

Cmon-man.
I know they were not from Solar Royal, besides they played today. No, they where 03 players from the 02-D2 team. i never said they were the top players but they where all pretty decent players controlling the ball well with patience and making smart passes and runs. However,  they can only do so much against a pretty good 03-D3 opponent, let  alone limitations on the Nero squad. I think you are underestimating the quality of play at the top end of the LH D3 division.

JS, get real. I will repeat my comment once more; while it suits one's interest, there is compliance with the club pass rule, but when it starts going against you then the ignorance is lifted.

We all should  want a fair environment to compete against the best teams that can qualify. Why have qualification tournaments if the teams that play are not the same that qualify?

Finally, I will borrow from an earlier silentparent post to reiterate the point that club pass should be revoked:

Post by silentparent on Thu Sep 25, 2014 11:27 am

I thought about this and think it needs to go for a variety of reasons.

1. it gives an unfair advantage to big clubs
2. it violates the spirit of the game
3. it is unfair to money paying parents and kids who paid for their kids to play
4. it undermines morale on a team, go to practice work hard, and when there's an opportunity? sit on the bench so a star player from another team can fill that role?
5. teams should play with whoever they have available
6. with teams putting together 18 man rosters the need for a player pass player is remote
7. it is abused in relegation games, this is rampant on the boys sides

8. finally, and most importantly, it's not good for the kids and that's what this is all about..

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Post by Cmon_Man on 26/10/14, 09:47 pm

reccostx wrote:Cmon-man.
I know they were not from Solar Royal, besides they played today. No, they where 03 players from the 02-D2 team. i never said they were the top players but they where all pretty decent players controlling the ball well with patience and making smart passes and runs. However,  they can only do so much against a pretty good 03-D3 opponent, let  alone limitations on the Nero squad. I think you are underestimating the quality of play at the top end of the LH D3 division.

I never said they were not the 03 SRSA players..I only said I doubt the top players guested. But given they were not the top players, how do you know this was also not used to help develop the SRSA bottom roster players (i.e. provide needed playing time or opportunity at other positions)? Maybe they needed some development opportunities in their own age group. At the end of the day I don’t have a clue and I don't see how you could either.

If you want to complain about the player pass rule- no argument here. But instead the two Solar teams were the main focus here and who is to say they are not also using the rule for developmental reasons? I also don’t like the rule as it is currently written, but I am not in support of calling out teams playing within the rules. I also don't believe in assuming I know no developmental objectives were considered just because the rule was utilized.

And to your last point.. if you think you would have had the same result against the top 3 SRSA players (which was my original post), well I think you are overestimating top D3 03 teams Wink
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Post by jsullivan81 on 26/10/14, 09:52 pm

You keep saying they did this to avoid relegation. I think relegation is several months away. I have seen Sparta play. They are a pretty good team. But, I wouldnt say they would dominate the Solar team. In looking at the scores, they did not dominate the teams currently ranked 8, 9, and 10. But the score can be misleading, I know. So maybe they did. Who knows.

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Post by ChuckNorris on 26/10/14, 10:18 pm

jsullivan81 wrote:Right or wrong, they followed the rule. The didn't cheat. If you don't like it, go to Plano, Arlington, or rec.

Js your quote makes no sense. That's like saying if you don't like Obama as president move to Canada. Everyone who's daughter plays in Lake Highlands has just as much right to want the playing experience to be fair and level. Rules can and are adjusted all the time in life. Lake Highlands is no different. The time has come for this unfair rule to go away. Especially now that people are seeing how it is being abused.

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Post by Guest on 26/10/14, 10:32 pm

Any truth to the rumor that Gov. Perry is considering implementing an emergency mandatory 21 day soccer quarantine on any CPP player that is returning from helping out in a 3rd World, er, I mean Division, game?

I heard that the DOC's are up in arms over the proposal being considered by Gov. Perry, and are stating that the general public would be far better served by following the protocols put in place by the experts in the field from NTSSA and LHGCL...

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Post by reccostx on 26/10/14, 10:44 pm

Cmon-Man,

You are out on a tangent. The only person saying anything about top SRSA players is you. I only said they used "3 guest players" and like Koba said, there are no bad SRSA players. Get off the top player thing alright.

You certainly are stretching the development thing as far as it will go without braking. That argument is ridiculous and reeks of alterior motives. If that is the case, their are a host of ways Solar can develop players without recking havoc on the integrity of a lower divisions regulation match play. I know, I know, "it an official rule", right........ Well, there are a lot of bad laws (rules) on the books that persons of integrity could abuse but don't. The team that qualified should be the team that plays - period.

Solar is abusing the system and that is shameful.


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Post by textigerfan on 27/10/14, 06:28 am

Reccostx, this rule was implemented by those that support big clubs and is totally for the benefit of them. You may not necessarily just play Solar Rush, you may play pretty much the pool of Solar in general. Same way with other big clubs. Not all coaches believe in using it. But, there are some that join these discussions that support the rule that are now or have been coaches for some of these clubs so of course, their view is going to be win at all costs. I hear all the time about petitioning the Board...Well, who are the Board's primary customers? ECNL has already ripped excellent players from the league (or at least the one's not dual rostered). They know who pays the bills. Getting rid of or limiting CPP would not benefit the clubs that have the player pools to abuse it's spirit. So why would they get rid of it? I hate the use of it just to try to maintain standings. If you are truly SEVERELY short handed, to the point of forfeit, than I say use it from teams LOWER than the team in need if possible. If not used that way, than the coach is just saying my team is just not good enough. But what do they care as long as they get their paycheck.
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Post by NoSpinZone on 27/10/14, 07:21 am

so CPP turns select with fixed rosters...into academy all over again, at least for some. That sucks...

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Post by rockindaddy on 27/10/14, 08:19 am

Whatever you think of CPP the only way it will be changed or revoked is if the parents of the big clubs( it actually only requires 2 teams) don't like it and revolt against it.When a team uses CPP players only that team actually knows the real reasons and if the parents of that team are Ok with it the rule will stand.On the other hand parents that feel their DD is being slighted then they will start to make a rumble.They may start insisting the coaches/club don't use it or more likely they will take there business elsewhere. We will know in a year or two how this plays out.


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