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Post by Guest on 13/04/15, 11:08 am

Is this a local call or coming down from US soccer? Will it be mandatory for all leagues or might some U.S. club spccer or other leagues opt out?

After failure to roll anything out at the national meetings, I had started to think small sided mandate and birth year shift were unlikely to happen anytime soon.

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Post by Guest on 13/04/15, 11:10 am

Is this a local call or coming down from US soccer? Will it be mandatory for all leagues or might some U.S. club spccer or other leagues opt out?

After failure to roll anything out at the national meetings, I had started to think small sided mandate and birth year shift were unlikely to happen anytime soon.

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Post by SkeetsG06 on 13/04/15, 12:04 pm

MiddleClass wrote:I have a September 05 and I like this rule if it comes to fruition.  I would rather her play early 05s (late 04s) than play top 07s (late 06s) .  If she was an 06, I would be looking for her to play up.  

I would also want her playing against 3rd and possible 4th graders instead of 3rd and possible 2nd graders.  Your college kid will be in the class of 2024 if they are a 3rd grader.  Many on here want their kids to play with their school age.  You still graduate with your school age.  They would need to get all schools as pure age also to make it work correctly...lol.  Does girls soccer have that much influence?  Lol

As far as National teams, it is U15, U17 etc and starts with the odd year birthday.  If your daughter was ever in that pool, the 06s would have to compete with the 05s.  

IMO, it's a win win for 06s.  If your 06 is elite, you want them playing up.  If you want the advantage of your early 06 playing late 06s, you can do that too.

It just all depends on the level you want your dd playing.  You have options.  

I think much of what you say is true.  Here are some additional points:
1) They just added additional national team camps to avoid the grouping.  For example, there was recently U14 & U16 national team camps, that lead to teams.  Net, the 06 play with 05 will not necessarily be the cases.  Certainly, not for ODP, which is already age pure.
2) First year of select your not allowed to have kids play up.  So, if you want your dd to play up unless the rule changes you will have to wait a year.
3) I think the playing up thing at early age is certainly a matter of choice.  But, if you take two equally athletic girls, but one is 9 and the other is 10, a full year older, that can be tough to swallow.  I saw it in a Futsal game, the exact scenario, the game was somewhat competitive but the 10 year old was 3 inches taller, faster, stronger, and showed up on a small court.  Can't image on outdoor field.  Don't get me wrong I am not against playing up but I just think it has to be thought through very carefully and for the individuals benefit not a team.  Hope that is not controversial...can't handle another Mayweather v PaqMan.  LOL

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Post by blackcleatsoccerfan on 13/04/15, 02:20 pm

Here is a little add on to this conversation: I spoke with Suma who runs the Boys Classic League for Dallas. I mentioned being excited that this may be happening for my 06 Boy. She told me she wouldn't hold my breath and that is was not even voted on yet. It may not happen for our age group but it is coming (although I never mentioned the age thing, I didn't know about that - only the 9v9 issue). She said that 1) It has to be voted on. 2) They have to reconfigure all the fields the year prior to select so they can stay 9v9 in that year as they get ready and 3) she was concerned from the league perspective and all the work needed to do it and not very happy about it. She was extremely nice and said if and when it is voted on they will get things ready but it may not be as soon as everyone thinks. I am not sure if the boys and girls will both be changed at the same time....not sure how that works. If anyone finds out anything else please share!
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Post by Guest on 13/04/15, 02:28 pm

Each age group would amount to 30 teams, 60 between U11 and U12 that need 9v9 fields. Add the boys in which utilize other facilites and its only 120 teams...

How many does UAL have in just the 06 platinum division... they would not need to reconfigure "all the fields". They would need some fields, yes, but the math doesnt reall add up to a huge lift.

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Post by Guest on 13/04/15, 03:34 pm

This is more like what I have been hearing. Some want to pull the trigger but by no means is it a done deal. Particulalry as to Classic League.

blackcleatsoccerfan wrote:Here is a little add on to this conversation: I spoke with Suma who runs the Boys Classic League for Dallas.  I mentioned being excited that this may be happening for my 06 Boy.  She told me she wouldn't hold my breath and that is was not even voted on yet.  It may not happen for our age group but it is coming (although I never mentioned the age thing, I didn't know about that - only the 9v9 issue).  She said that 1) It has to be voted on. 2) They have to reconfigure all the fields the year prior to select so they can stay 9v9 in that year as they get ready and 3) she was concerned from the league perspective and all the work needed to do it and not very happy about it. She was extremely nice and said if and when it is voted on they will get things ready but it may not be as soon as everyone thinks.  I am not sure if the boys and girls will both be changed at the same time....not sure how that works.  If anyone finds out anything else please share!  

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Post by planogirl on 13/04/15, 04:11 pm

This would be better for league and tourney business, more teams potentially 20% revenue increase.

However for clubs, can they increase the fee? Hate if they do.

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Post by Let’sJustAllGoRec on 13/04/15, 04:57 pm

For the playing up aspect- there is definitely a lot to consider. I know my own DD whose birthday is Nov 07 currently plays up on an '07 team. There are girls on her own team that are 15 months older than her. She is able to hang with them and does well, however, when her team plays up she is playing against girls who are up to 27 months older than her. You would laugh hysterically if you saw the pictures of these giants towering over her and she is tall for her age. Luckily, in the U9 Silver B division so far this season there haven't been dominate teams so she has been able to keep up with them speed wise and skill wise, but I would be scared of what would happen if they were against top U9 teams. If the age change ends up happening my DD will no longer play up. The difference will just be magnified. Her playing up would have girls on her own team that were a 22 months older and the possibility of playing against girls that were 34 months older if her team played up. No thank you!

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Post by boilerjoe_96 on 13/04/15, 05:14 pm

Jeaton... if she Nov 07(08 current soccer age group)...So she playing up on her team, and the team is playing up(in 06s). Under this new plan, the 06s would be at earliest 1/1/06(1/06 - 12/06) which would be better than now as earliest is 8/1/05(on current 06 teams). So might you have it backwards? Under current age grouping she could play someone 27 months older, under new plan only 22 months.

Mine is March 07. Playing up now vs 06s a girl could be 19 months older.... if the age grouping changes, playing up, girls could only be 14 months older(Jan 06). Works for me, but doesn't really matter either way.
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Post by Let’sJustAllGoRec on 13/04/15, 05:30 pm

Boiler Joe- What I am saying is if as an age pure '07 she plays up on an '06 team and the team plays up in an '05 division the difference would be much larger because the girls could be from 1/1/05 than currently when her team plays up to the '06s and the oldest girl she plays against is 8/1/05.

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Post by Lakedad on 13/04/15, 05:51 pm

jeaton wrote:Boiler Joe- What I am saying is if as an age pure '07 she plays up on an '06 team and the team plays up in an '05 division the difference would be much larger because the girls could be from 1/1/05 than currently when her team plays up to the '06s and the oldest girl she plays against is 8/1/05.

The age situation becomes less of an issue once select comes around. Meaning, 06's and 07's won't have the option to play 05's unless its through a tournament. At least using the current standards.

I'm interested in understanding the clubs ability to make kids sign year long contracts with smaller roosters. That, in my opinion would drastically change the landscape of soccer around these parts. Are we talking about LH and Classic 9x9 leagues? If so, the top 15 teams today would make up a large portion of the DI, DII and DIII. Where do the rest go - Plano?
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Post by Let’sJustAllGoRec on 13/04/15, 07:03 pm

I just left practice and our coach just announced that this age change thing was approved today and will God into effect Fall 2016.

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Post by boilerjoe_96 on 13/04/15, 07:17 pm

jeaton wrote:Boiler Joe- What I am saying is if as an age pure '07 she plays up on an '06 team and the team plays up in an '05 division the difference would be much larger because the girls could be from 1/1/05 than currently when her team plays up to the '06s and the oldest girl she plays against is 8/1/05.

So an 07 plays up on 06 team, the team plays up against 05s. Currently the 05 teams could have 8/04 kid playing...under the new rules the oldest kid could only be 1/1/05... so guess i am not following.
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Post by jogobonito06 on 13/04/15, 07:23 pm

jeaton wrote:I just left practice and our coach just announced that this age change thing was approved today and will God into effect Fall 2016.

A mandate? For whom?
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Post by Let’sJustAllGoRec on 13/04/15, 08:34 pm

Not sure jogobonito 07. I'll ask him

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Post by travelin light on 13/04/15, 11:36 pm

jeaton wrote:I just left practice and our coach just announced that this age change thing was approved today and will God into effect Fall 2016.

I've learned that the proposal to play small-sided 9v9 passed for both boys & girls starting with the '06 age groups.  Supposedly, LHGCL & PPL will play 9v9 in both U11 and U12 age groups effective in the fall of 2016.  The '05 age group will be grandfathered into 11v11 as normal and will not be effected.  I've also learned that the proposed change for soccer year to match calendar year from Jan 01 - Dec 31 did not pass and will not impact the '06s.

This change will surely force some '06 coaches who were beefing up their rosters in preparation for 11v11 this fall to trim their rosters.  All these dropped players will create a glut of new academy teams...get ready Plano Premier League - more teams are coming your way come 2016!
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Post by coachdom23 on 13/04/15, 11:58 pm

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jeaton wrote:I just left practice and our coach just announced that this age change thing was approved today and will God into effect Fall 2016.

I've learned that the proposal to play small-sided 9v9 passed for both boys & girls starting with the '06 age groups.  Supposedly, LHGCL & PPL will play 9v9 in both U11 and U12 age groups effective in the fall of 2016.  The '05 age group will be grandfathered into 11v11 as normal and will not be effected.

In Fall 2016, the 05's will be U12's and you said they will be grandfathered into U11 at 11v11 for Fall 2015. So, it would be U11's play 9v9 in Fall 2016 and U11's and U12's play 9v9 in Fall 2017?
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Post by travelin light on 14/04/15, 12:41 am

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travelin light wrote:
jeaton wrote:I just left practice and our coach just announced that this age change thing was approved today and will God into effect Fall 2016.

I've learned that the proposal to play small-sided 9v9 passed for both boys & girls starting with the '06 age groups.  Supposedly, LHGCL & PPL will play 9v9 in both U11 and U12 age groups effective in the fall of 2016.  The '05 age group will be grandfathered into 11v11 as normal and will not be effected.

In Fall 2016, the 05's will be U12's and you said they will be grandfathered into U11 at 11v11 for Fall 2015. So, it would be U11's play 9v9 in Fall 2016 and U11's and U12's play 9v9 in Fall 2017?

Apologies...from what I understand, the '04 and '05 age groups will be completely unaffected by the new 9v9 rules.  They will continue playing 11v11 as normal for any future year.  They're essentially locked into 11v11.

The new 9v9 rule change is slated to impact only the '06 age groups and younger.  '06s will play 9v9 in U11 (fall 2016) and U12 (fall 2017) in both LHGCL and PPL.  '07s will play 9v9 in U11 (fall 2017) and U12 (fall 2018)...and so on and so on...
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Post by Guest on 14/04/15, 04:57 am

Could someone please explain where a vote was taken or where this information on what passed or didn't pass came from?

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Post by FriscoSoccer2004 on 14/04/15, 07:20 am

It is my understanding that LHGCL and PPL follow north Texas soccer rules and bylaws (the organization all of our girls register thru via means of our local association). Any changes would not be voted on and approved until the AGM meeting in July ( see link : http://www.ntxsoccer.org/2015agmrulechange.aspx )

Hope that helps.
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Post by Guest on 14/04/15, 07:32 am

FriscoSoccer05 wrote:It is my understanding that LHGCL and PPL follow north Texas soccer rules and bylaws (the organization all of our girls register thru via means of our local association).  Any changes would not be voted on and approved until the AGM meeting in July ( see link :   http://www.ntxsoccer.org/2015agmrulechange.aspx  )

Hope that helps.

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Post by Deuce on 14/04/15, 07:36 am

So where did the vote / decision mentioned as happening Monday come from? Coaches/DOCs? Leagues? NTSSA?

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Post by FC Sanger on 14/04/15, 07:54 am

I am curious as well on where this is coming from. The annual general meetings for North Texas Soccer are not until July where bylaw change proposals are introduced and/or voted on. Is this just an association/or club trying to be proactive? Please provide details. It is undoubtedly a hot topic for all the board members of the local associations and clubs across our area and beyond.

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Post by Lyin Ted on 14/04/15, 08:29 am

I think the small sided is a good idea. Grandfathering the teams that already play 11 v 11. But the age true has holes because when seniors leave to go to college it leave the juniors that are older (Aug-Dec) kids without a team. every year would be in disarray at the time of college recruiting. That is the main reason they went to Aug-July instead of age pure.

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Post by SkeetsG06 on 14/04/15, 08:36 am

Juice Box wrote:I think the small sided is a good idea. Grandfathering the teams that already play 11 v 11.  But the age true has holes because when seniors leave to go to college it leave the juniors that are older (Aug-Dec) kids without a team.  every year would be in disarray at the time of college recruiting.  That is the main reason they went to Aug-July instead of age pure.  

The boys are currently age pure at the academy(girls equivalent of ECNL) level. How do they handle this issue?

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Post by Guest on 14/04/15, 08:38 am

The change was made because of FIFA, not college. We just did not change back when FIFA did.

Most all seniors have been scouted and recruited well before the senior year.

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