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Post by crazyball on Tue Jun 02, 2015 12:40 pm

Has been posted now. This is a strange turn of events. DI and DII only...

It appears that the mathematical approach was not used in all cases???
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Re: 2015/2016 Preliminary Bye and Divisions

Post by Its Just Soccer on Tue Jun 02, 2015 12:54 pm

Did they use any mathematical approach?  Am I reading this correctly?  Liverpool Keegan stays in D1?  They just kept everyone in D1 and moved up the top 5 in D2.

http://assets.ngin.com/attachments/document/0077/0313/LHGCL_2015-16-Division.pdf


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Re: 2015/2016 Preliminary Bye and Divisions

Post by swimmingatdawn on Tue Jun 02, 2015 1:06 pm

8 BALL Mathmatics - a new course at MIT
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Re: 2015/2016 Preliminary Bye and Divisions

Post by herradura on Tue Jun 02, 2015 2:29 pm

D1:
Solar Chelsea
FC Dallas Youth
Sting 03
Dallas Cosmos
Liverpool FC America Elite
Dallas Texans South
Sting 03 Hilton
Fever United
Dallas Texans
Liverpool FC America Keegan
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FC Dallas Youth Red
Sting Flanagan
Andromeda FC

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Dallas Texans
Liverpool FC America
FC Dallas Youth
Sting Sanchez
Sparta FC
Odyssey
Mutiny
Mustangs
Sting Central Skaife
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Re: 2015/2016 Preliminary Bye and Divisions

Post by BurnOnYou on Tue Jun 02, 2015 5:28 pm

For all their struggling and mental gymnastics, this is what they came up with?
Everybody plays 2-4 fewer games and no one moved down?
Real collection of mental giants put this together...

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Re: 2015/2016 Preliminary Bye and Divisions

Post by Heisenberg on Tue Jun 02, 2015 7:56 pm

Let's see your solution, Einstein...

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Re: 2015/2016 Preliminary Bye and Divisions

Post by doublevision on Tue Jun 02, 2015 10:21 pm

to me this is a sellout by LHGCL...no one gets rewarded for their efforts and no one get demoted

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Re: 2015/2016 Preliminary Bye and Divisions

Post by BurnOnYou on Wed Jun 03, 2015 8:46 am

Agree. Teams are artificially elevated, just to be relegated next year. Teams that deserved relegation avoid it. That is not necessarily a good thing. FC, Sting, Texans and even Elite are all loading up on talent in preparation for ECNL fall 16. Keagan as an example, was probably looking forward to playing teams more to their kid's talent level. They get to go through another year like this one and are probably going to lose some of the starters they have.

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Re: 2015/2016 Preliminary Bye and Divisions

Post by BurnOnYou on Wed Jun 03, 2015 9:02 am

Further, 14 games vs the 16 that D1 would have played or 18 that D's 2 and 3 would have played seems a cop out. Why couldn't the same number of games be played? Fairness? This effort at fairness assuages the angst of the handful of teams that had a chance at avoiding relegation or of advancing at the expense of the rest of the teams in the league who's only recompense is fewer games for what I'm going to assume will be the same price.

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Re: 2015/2016 Preliminary Bye and Divisions

Post by SickofStupidity on Wed Jun 03, 2015 9:10 am

The good news, however, is that we will see lower league fees due to fewer games.

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Re: 2015/2016 Preliminary Bye and Divisions

Post by crazyball on Wed Jun 03, 2015 9:27 am

doublevision wrote:to me this is a sellout by LHGCL...no one gets rewarded for their efforts and no one get demoted

Totally agree. I know there is no real other perfect solution, but some teams EARNED the bump up to DI and DII while some teams needed to be bumped down to DII and DIII to play teams more along their skill level. No one likes a 4-0, 5-0, 6-0 beating game after game.
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Re: 2015/2016 Preliminary Bye and Divisions

Post by JewelsBMF on Wed Jun 03, 2015 9:37 am

SickofSilliness wrote:The good news, however, is that we will see lower league fees due to fewer games.

Yes, and then the clubs will pass these savings along to the families.

I like the odds of Herradura giving up tequila before either of the above actually occurring...
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Re: 2015/2016 Preliminary Bye and Divisions

Post by jsullivan81 on Wed Jun 03, 2015 3:28 pm

BurnOnYou wrote:Agree.  Teams are artificially elevated, just to be relegated next year.  Teams that deserved relegation avoid it.  That is not necessarily a good thing.  FC, Sting, Texans and even Elite are all loading up on talent in preparation for ECNL fall 16.  Keagan as an example, was probably looking forward to playing teams more to their kid's talent level.  They get to go through another year like this one and are probably going to lose some of the starters they have.

Regarding Keegan, are they going to make it? I didn't see them looking for players, and the last few times we played them they had a thin bench. I would think with the roster size increasing and an already thin bench they would be looking for players?

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Re: 2015/2016 Preliminary Bye and Divisions

Post by BurnOnYou on Wed Jun 03, 2015 4:55 pm

If Keegan folds, then I guess one less team would have to go through QT and one more team will find their way from D2 into D1

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Re: 2015/2016 Preliminary Bye and Divisions

Post by 03soccermomtx on Wed Jun 03, 2015 8:08 pm

I think the club keeps the bye and LIverpool can put whatever team they to fill the spot. Someone correct me.

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Re: 2015/2016 Preliminary Bye and Divisions

Post by Guest on Wed Jun 03, 2015 10:12 pm

03soccermomtx wrote:I think the club keeps the bye and LIverpool can put whatever team they to fill the spot.   Someone correct me.  

Correct, but LHGCL modified their rule recently to state that if the roster that is claiming the bye has <50% players returning from the previous year's roster, the LHGCL Board will determine which division the team claiming the bye will be placed in.

So, it's not cut-n-dry that if Keegan folded, LP would just be allowed to move Barnes up into Keegan's D1 spot, and then an LP PPL/APL team up into Barnes D2 spot. The board could rule that based on the rosters LP submits, both teams will be placed in D2 for next year. Normally, if this were to happen, the next team in the standings that didn't originally get a D1 bye, would be awarded a D1 bye (in this case, it would be D'Feeters). However, given the odd circumstances from this past Spring, the board could also decide to go with a 14/16 D1/D2 split next year instead of 15/15.

Bottom line, it will be a wait-and-see.


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Post by NorthDallasSoccer on Thu Jun 04, 2015 2:03 pm

Keegan isn't folding, has posted open practices and has already added talent.
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Post by NorthDallasSoccer on Thu Jun 04, 2015 3:05 pm

And, to be frank, there are some who - at this point - are pretty tired of the drama. Be it from other parents or non-communicative coaches. There are going to be some good soccer players who are facing sitting the bench on an ECNL team (at a huge cost and not developing) who could be real difference makers on a D1 team. So, if you are in that category - perhaps your daughter is skilled but a little late to the maturity table - Schindler and the environment he provides is a real alternative.
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Post by Triumph FC on Fri Jun 26, 2015 11:05 am

NorthDallasSoccer wrote:And, to be frank, there are some who - at this point - are pretty tired of the drama. Be it from other parents or non-communicative coaches. There are going to be some good soccer players who are facing sitting the bench on an ECNL team (at a huge cost and not developing) who could be real difference makers on a D1 team. So, if you are in that category - perhaps your daughter is skilled but a little late to the maturity table - Schindler and the environment he provides is a real alternative.

Who is now at Mutiny BTW so who knows what will happen there
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Re: 2015/2016 Preliminary Bye and Divisions

Post by Barca on Fri Jun 26, 2015 1:52 pm

NorthDallasSoccer wrote:And, to be frank, there are some who - at this point - are pretty tired of the drama. Be it from other parents or non-communicative coaches. There are going to be some good soccer players who are facing sitting the bench on an ECNL team (at a huge cost and not developing) who could be real difference makers on a D1 team. So, if you are in that category - perhaps your daughter is skilled but a little late to the maturity table - Schindler and the environment he provides is a real alternative.
Really!!! There is no drama at LP Keagan Mutany from the parents side(lines).  lol!
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Re: 2015/2016 Preliminary Bye and Divisions

Post by sendit on Mon Jul 13, 2015 4:46 pm

Wondering if the wait and see time period over to understand if any teams folding have moved teams up a division. Anyone in the know?
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