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OLJW wrote:It's not that I think they suck. However a "platinum level" team can't score 5 goals in six games against mostly DIII to Plano level teams and think everything is great. Just an observation
That's not an observation....it's a hallucination. Fever played 6 teams over the last 2 weekends. 3 of those teams are now in D1. Fever's record against those teams was 1-1-1 with 2GF 1GA. 2 other teams they played made D3, Fever drew with both of them. Fever only played one team that didn't qualify, but don't let the facts get in the way. Go ahead and spout some more ignorant garbage.
Kind of my point don't you think. Yes Fever played 6 teams over the last two weekends and 3 of those teams are in fact in D1. However the point I was making is someone has to win the brackets. Therefore anyone besides the lowest seed winning is an upset. Fever was in my book the favorite, and did not win. So in my opinion they played bad, since they did not play to the level they should have. Correct? If you are telling me that you or anyone associated with team is happy about the way they played, then I believe you are the hallucinating.
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The truth is, this discussion goes far, far deeper than ANY one team. What it truly boils down to is the
1- physical maturity of players that make up a team
2- is a Coach willing to exploit a specific tactic to get a result?
I'll elaborate on both points
1. At age U-11, all the coordination and experience is not not fully developed yet, ESPECIALLY EXPERIENCE. If you have a MOSTLY developed, highly experienced player at U-11, you have the exception, not the rule.
2.Except for the top 7-10 teams, you can exploit this lack of coordination and experience by continuously launching long balls at their back line. Give'm 30-40 long balls per game, chances are they're gonna misplay 1 or 2 or 3 and your forward is in on goal. On the defensive side, if you get in trouble, just kick it, kick anywhere but into the goal. Both of these tactics will work at THIS AGE, but it won't work against the best teams right now and it won't work against hardly anybody 2 years from now. Any team that is employing this tactic right now is learning nothing, thereby hamstringing their own future. While they are learning nothing, other teams are learning how to deal with the long ball to the back line and improving their movement, passing and finishing in the attacking 1/3.
At U-13 there will still be 2-3 teams playing long ball to the back line and just kick it on defense. Those teams will be at the bottom of D3 and on the way out the door.
Fever does not play that, will not play that and is in the perfect spot to continue developing a passing, moving, team attack.
We should revisit this is 9 months. I contend that some of the teams cheering the loudest in July and Aug are going to have very, very little to cheer about for the next 9 months. It's really a question of short term goals vs long term goals (no pun intended). Fever doesn't sacrifice it's long term goals to expedite it's short term goals. They're 10 & 11 year old girls, no one can tell what's gonna happen, but let's check back in 9 months to see who's in trouble? I'm betting it AIN'T FEVER.
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Now go ahead and smack talk me about this post as I'm sure you will.
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OLJW wrote:It is interesting that you have an ax to grind with the D3 team that scored 2 goals against D1 teams, but you have nothing to say about the 3 D1 teams that combine for 1 goal against Fever.
The truth is, this discussion goes far, far deeper than ANY one team. What it truly boils down to is the
1- physical maturity of players that make up a team
2- is a Coach willing to exploit a specific tactic to get a result?
I'll elaborate on both points
1. At age U-11, all the coordination and experience is not not fully developed yet, ESPECIALLY EXPERIENCE. If you have a MOSTLY developed, highly experienced player at U-11, you have the exception, not the rule.
2.Except for the top 7-10 teams, you can exploit this lack of coordination and experience by continuously launching long balls at their back line. Give'm 30-40 long balls per game, chances are they're gonna misplay 1 or 2 or 3 and your forward is in on goal. On the defensive side, if you get in trouble, just kick it, kick anywhere but into the goal. Both of these tactics will work at THIS AGE, but it won't work against the best teams right now and it won't work against hardly anybody 2 years from now. Any team that is employing this tactic right now is learning nothing, thereby hamstringing their own future. While they are learning nothing, other teams are learning how to deal with the long ball to the back line and improving their movement, passing and finishing in the attacking 1/3.
At U-13 there will still be 2-3 teams playing long ball to the back line and just kick it on defense. Those teams will be at the bottom of D3 and on the way out the door.
Fever does not play that, will not play that and is in the perfect spot to continue developing a passing, moving, team attack.
We should revisit this is 9 months. I contend that some of the teams cheering the loudest in July and Aug are going to have very, very little to cheer about for the next 9 months. It's really a question of short term goals vs long term goals (no pun intended). Fever doesn't sacrifice it's long term goals to expedite it's short term goals. They're 10 & 11 year old girls, no one can tell what's gonna happen, but let's check back in 9 months to see who's in trouble? I'm betting it AIN'T FEVER.
In that entire 7 paragraph dissertation on soccer coaching philosophy you never once touched on my point at all. Congratulations that was excellent.
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0509girlssoocer wrote: if they had perhaps played in King Tutt, they may have prepared a bit better and a better sample of what teams are out there. Simple. Fever will be fine and in 9 months they may be top of D3 whats wrong with that?
Might be a good marketing plug for King Tutt.... "Two top 20 teams that played Puma Cup over King Tutt did not make D1, where will you play?"
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I took the '01-'04 FBR and QT results, and broke teams into 3 categories:
1) Teams that were ranked in the top 20 of the final pre-QT FBR, but did not qualify for D1 at U11
2) Teams that were ranked between 21-25 in the final pre-QT FBR, and qualified for D1 at U11
3) Teams that were ranked 26 or below in the final pre-QT FBR, and qualified for D1 at U11
A RED entry signifies a negative move for a team (i.e. was relegated to a lower division, or the team broke up).
A GREEN entry signifies a positive move for a team (i.e. team was promoted to a higher division).
A BLACK entry signifies a neutral move (i.e. team remained in the same division)
N/A means the team did not play in LHGCL at that age group
Group 1: Teams that were ranked in the top 20 of the final pre-QT FBR, but did not qualify for D1 at U11
Group 2: Teams that were ranked between 21-25 in the final pre-QT FBR, and qualified for D1 at U11
Group 3: Teams that were ranked 26 or below in the final pre-QT FBR, and qualified for D1 at U11
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But those ARE some interesting numbers. It would also be interesting to see the roster changes that occur in the following years. Unfortunately, that data is probably unobtainable. We could chase it all the way down the rabbit hole and look at all the variables. I'm guessing almost all of those teams saw significant roster changes. Thanks for the info. Now I will go mull over my DD's team and what their probable outcome will be.
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6 out of the 9 Top 20 teams got back to either D2 or D1.
This should be interesting to chart over time for the 05 teams like Fever, NTFC Black, Sting Sanchez, DT Stark, and DTS Lott who were all #2 LH seeds but did not make D1. Time will tell how many of them move up to D2 or D1 eventually.
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................OLJW, I think your spot on here with several points. One thing that I'm getting from your post is that you feel the "LONG BALL" is just used by teams in desperation who can not compete tactically in a possession game. I strongly disagree if this is what your saying, every team should be working possession, some do this better than others. BUT, If your coach is not teaching your team and child when to take a "LONG BALL" your team may also find themselves short on goal scoring opportunities and shots on goal. I hate kickball on the pitch more than most but 5-10 well placed strategic "LONG BALLS" per game can be beautiful game changers at any level and these "LONG BALLS" better be in your childs tool belt (Kicking and Receiving) if you want them to be a complete player. Possession skills should be a priority, but NEVER squash or hinder the ability of your great atheletes to go make some magic. That is the Beautiful Game!OLJW wrote:It is interesting that you have an ax to grind with the D3 team that scored 2 goals against D1 teams, but you have nothing to say about the 3 D1 teams that combine for 1 goal against Fever.
The truth is, this discussion goes far, far deeper than ANY one team. What it truly boils down to is the
1- physical maturity of players that make up a team
2- is a Coach willing to exploit a specific tactic to get a result?
I'll elaborate on both points
1. At age U-11, all the coordination and experience is not not fully developed yet, ESPECIALLY EXPERIENCE. If you have a MOSTLY developed, highly experienced player at U-11, you have the exception, not the rule.
2.Except for the top 7-10 teams, you can exploit this lack of coordination and experience by continuously launching long balls at their back line. Give'm 30-40 long balls per game, chances are they're gonna misplay 1 or 2 or 3 and your forward is in on goal. On the defensive side, if you get in trouble, just kick it, kick anywhere but into the goal. Both of these tactics will work at THIS AGE, but it won't work against the best teams right now and it won't work against hardly anybody 2 years from now. Any team that is employing this tactic right now is learning nothing, thereby hamstringing their own future. While they are learning nothing, other teams are learning how to deal with the long ball to the back line and improving their movement, passing and finishing in the attacking 1/3.
At U-13 there will still be 2-3 teams playing long ball to the back line and just kick it on defense. Those teams will be at the bottom of D3 and on the way out the door.
Fever does not play that, will not play that and is in the perfect spot to continue developing a passing, moving, team attack.
We should revisit this is 9 months. I contend that some of the teams cheering the loudest in July and Aug are going to have very, very little to cheer about for the next 9 months. It's really a question of short term goals vs long term goals (no pun intended). Fever doesn't sacrifice it's long term goals to expedite it's short term goals. They're 10 & 11 year old girls, no one can tell what's gonna happen, but let's check back in 9 months to see who's in trouble? I'm betting it AIN'T FEVER.
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Yanks is spot on.
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unknowingmom wrote:What about the coach teaching the long ball not making the adjustment when the other team is defending it. Makes for a pretty boring game.
I believe that was OLJW's point. Being taught the way to win is the long ball regardless of success will shake out and be frustrating in a year or two (disregarding current success), and those who were taught the ability to play a different style other than kick and run will see longer term success.
BTW- I saw Fever 05 play, and I think they would have been above the bottom of D1 had they qualified, but as it stands, they will be fine in D3...they had a goal shortage in the QT...so did a lot of teams. It doesn't mean you have a terrible team, it means you have to learn how to score more goals than you give up for the next year and come back the next year and try again or earn your way up the ladder the hard way...but more teams disband from U11 to U12 that were at the bottom of D1 than at the top of D3...
Will U11s give up some goals to kick and run teams? Of course. All U11 teams do...Will they learn how to defend against that. Of course. Will they beat the vast majority of those teams in time? Yes. And just like any other division, would the top of D3 be as good as the bottom of D1-YES, will the top of PPIL be as good as the bottom of D3-YES...it happens that way every year. Some teams catch fire "at the right time" and qualify only to wish they hadn't because at the end of U11 they are frustrated...others have "setbacks" that move them into a lower division, but whatever...eventually we all play the same kids anyway with CPP...
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dadof3 wrote:unknowingmom wrote:What about the coach teaching the long ball not making the adjustment when the other team is defending it. Makes for a pretty boring game.
I believe that was OLJW's point. Being taught the way to win is the long ball regardless of success will shake out and be frustrating in a year or two (disregarding current success), and those who were taught the ability to play a different style other than kick and run will see longer term success.
BTW- I saw Fever 05 play, and I think they would have been above the bottom of D1 had they qualified, but as it stands, they will be fine in D3...they had a goal shortage in the QT...so did a lot of teams. It doesn't mean you have a terrible team, it means you have to learn how to score more goals than you give up for the next year and come back the next year and try again or earn your way up the ladder the hard way...but more teams disband from U11 to U12 that were at the bottom of D1 than at the top of D3...
Will U11s give up some goals to kick and run teams? Of course. All U11 teams do...Will they learn how to defend against that. Of course. Will they beat the vast majority of those teams in time? Yes. And just like any other division, would the top of D3 be as good as the bottom of D1-YES, will the top of PPIL be as good as the bottom of D3-YES...it happens that way every year. Some teams catch fire "at the right time" and qualify only to wish they hadn't because at the end of U11 they are frustrated...others have "setbacks" that move them into a lower division, but whatever...eventually we all play the same kids anyway with CPP...
What OLJW was meaning is the teams that rely on the long ball will very soon die by it.
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Possession with out purpose irritates me also . Or coaches asking there teams to play out of the back from goal kicks when the other team is applying high pressure. Soccer is a game of problem solving . if a team is pressing with a high defensive line play direct, if the opposition is dropping off build with shorter passing. To be continually successful you must be able to do both.
I also think teaching players how to deal with ball out of the air is a neglected practice. Being able to win headers on punts , goal kicks , throw ins , are crucial . That's how nearly 50 percent of play begins on restarts , in the air. If players are not comfortable winning aerial battles then its hard to get the ball on the ground and play passing football because your always going to be playing in your own third under pressure .
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