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Post by NorthDallasSoccer on 23/7/2015, 4:07 pm

Anyone else see the posts on the 06 forum that Age Pure is going to be implemented across the board (no grandfathering) in '17? If a team wants to stay together it must play up?

Wow. Anyone with info?
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Post by Triumph FC on 23/7/2015, 4:58 pm

Don't agree with no grandfathering! Not up to NTSSA anyway and I'm sure the leagues won't deal with all the headaches it would cause. Can see age pure coming for 07's onwards but not across the board
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Post by NorthDallasSoccer on 23/7/2015, 5:00 pm

So is the scuttlebutt on the 06 subforum bunk? Who decides?
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Post by Triumph FC on 23/7/2015, 5:03 pm

Think about it. Age Pure across the board means teams clubs coaches leagues have to start again! I spoke with LH and they said Grandfathered, don't see NTSSA questioning that so I don't see it happening.
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Post by timmyh on 23/7/2015, 5:13 pm

Triumph FC wrote:Think about it. Age Pure across the board means teams clubs coaches leagues have to start again! I spoke with LH and they said Grandfathered, don't see NTSSA questioning that so I don't see it happening.

If US Club mandates it (and they apparently have for 2017 for all ages), NTSSA will have nothing to decide. What are we going to do, play school age while the rest of the country plays calendar? No more ECNL, then. No more tournaments outside of NTexas, as they will all adapt to the US Club ruling. Well, i guess we could play "up" but we wouldn't be competitive.
No. If US Club mandates it, i don't think we have a legitimate choice but to comply. It will be chaos for a few months as teams reform, then simply won't be a big deal.

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Post by Guest on 23/7/2015, 5:25 pm

All ages, fall 2017. Not scuttlebut. Check out socal... it's coming down from US Soccer, not US Club soccer.

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Post by 03KeeperDad on 23/7/2015, 5:38 pm

There will be much debate and back and forth before all is said and done.

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Post by PrimeTimeSoccer on 23/7/2015, 5:48 pm

LaLiga06 wrote:All ages, fall 2017. Not scuttlebut.  Check out socal... it's coming down from US Soccer, not US Club soccer.

US Club Soccer is a member of US Soccer Federation. If USSF mandates it, then US Club, US Youth, SAY, AYSO, and USSSA will comply.
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Re: True Age/Age Pure

Post by YANKS ON THE PITCH on 26/7/2015, 9:20 pm

This is a done deal, will happen 100% at the national level nothing individual states can do no matter the size of your hat, belt buckle or boots! I'm sure some will decide to stay togther an attempt to play up, 2-3 years most will wash back to true birth year team. I believe Cali started the major push for this to be passed?
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Post by Evolution on 27/7/2015, 3:23 pm

I think this change will really hurt participation, especially for Rec. soccer and Academy age competitive players, when about half of the kids can't play with their classmates from school without "playing up" against bigger and stronger players.

At the Boys Classic league QT meeting last Saturday, they pointed out that this was the last incoming U11 group of teams that will play 11v11.  Next year the 06s will be 9v9 and stay their until they are U13s, as I understand it.  Suffice to say a lot of major changes to soccer in NTX are being forced upon us from the national level over the next few years and they will be disruptive.
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Post by Sho'Nuff on 27/7/2015, 3:28 pm

Evolution wrote:I think this change will really hurt participation, especially for Rec. soccer and Academy age competitive players, when about half of the kids can't play with their classmates from school without "playing up" against bigger and stronger players.

At the Boys Classic league QT meeting last Saturday, they pointed out that this was the last incoming U11 group of teams that will play 11v11.  Next year the 06s will be 9v9 and stay their until they are U13s, as I understand it.  Suffice to say a lot of major changes to soccer in NTX are being forced upon us from the national level over the next few years and they will be disruptive.

Wait, there are players playing with classmates?!

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Post by YANKS ON THE PITCH on 27/7/2015, 3:33 pm

9v9 for 9, 10, 11, 12 year olds is a wonderful thing wish this was in place years ago. NTX early 11v11 stunts individual develpoment and open field progression (when to dribble and when to pass). In Europe they dont play 11v11 full pitch until 14-15.
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Post by Triumph FC on 27/7/2015, 4:44 pm

It's 7v7 for U9 and U10
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Post by Adrenalinetx on 27/7/2015, 4:49 pm

Really 7v7 wow.

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Post by travelin light on 27/7/2015, 4:59 pm

YANKS ON THE PITCH wrote:9v9 for 9, 10, 11, 12 year olds is a wonderful thing wish this was in place years ago.  NTX early 11v11 stunts individual develpoment and open field progression (when to dribble and when to pass).  In Europe they dont play 11v11 full pitch until 14-15.

I'm going to fall in the minority here, but to play 9v9 on the proposed 75'x47' field dimensions at U11 & U12 can be detrimental to development in the highly competitive North Texas soccer environment.  At U9, I witnessed several goals scored from midfield, and now you're telling me that the girls will play on a slightly smaller field for THREE MORE YEARS?  There are coaches out there that will actually teach their CB's to come up and shoot from midfield.  This in no way will help players develop into more technical soccer players.  Just because they do small sided in Europe, doesn't mean it's the best way to do it here.  After all, the USWNT just won the World Cup - again...
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Post by Triumph FC on 27/7/2015, 5:09 pm

Yes and not one North Texas player on the roster nor has there been in years!
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Post by Adrenalinetx on 27/7/2015, 5:12 pm

We'll it's not just Europe most places in the US have the same system including south Texas. I really think it's good for the kid to develop skills and other parts of the game before going into that big field

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Post by RightWingDad on 27/7/2015, 5:17 pm

Triumph FC wrote:Yes and not one North Texas player on the roster nor has there been in years!

True dat!
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Post by MrRogers on 27/7/2015, 5:35 pm

YANKS ON THE PITCH wrote:9v9 for 9, 10, 11, 12 year olds is a wonderful thing wish this was in place years ago.  NTX early 11v11 stunts individual develpoment and open field progression (when to dribble and when to pass).  In Europe they dont play 11v11 full pitch until 14-15.

I don't think you have watched many top teams in U11 and U12 lately. A top 10 U11 or U12 team will play far better soccer than many U14s, 15s, and 16s (obviously not the top teams in those older ages).

It's not the field size or number of players on game day, but how they are TRAINED, COACHED, and PRACTICE.

I think it's a huge mistake to think that forcing all players into remedial soccer paths will somehow magically improve US soccer across the nation.

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Post by SOUTHOFTHETRACKS on 27/7/2015, 5:42 pm

MrRogers wrote:
YANKS ON THE PITCH wrote:9v9 for 9, 10, 11, 12 year olds is a wonderful thing wish this was in place years ago.  NTX early 11v11 stunts individual develpoment and open field progression (when to dribble and when to pass).  In Europe they dont play 11v11 full pitch until 14-15.

I don't think you have watched many top teams in U11 and U12 lately. A top 10 U11 or U12 team will play far better soccer than many U14s, 15s, and 16s (obviously not the top teams in those older ages).

It's not the field size or number of players on game day, but how they are TRAINED, COACHED, and PRACTICE.

I think it's a huge mistake to think that forcing all players into remedial soccer paths will somehow magically improve US soccer across the nation.

Last I checked the USWNT won the world cup, and won it rather easily... so what are we trying to improve? Sure the USMNT hasn't won it, but our best athletes aren't playing soccer their whole lives. They end up playing the other sports (as we all know)...So is this really going to help anyway?
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Post by Triumph FC on 27/7/2015, 5:44 pm

You are forcing children to play in an adult environment
That's the issue. Goals get score just by kicking it high. Big field means longer passes and so on
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Post by Triumph FC on 27/7/2015, 5:49 pm

It's funny how everyone keeps saying the women just won the World Cup. Yes they did and they are the best in the world but not any North Texas players on the roster. We are only one of the few states that played 11v11 at U11 and I know their are good players here so why is it not translating to no squad players? So if it ain't broke don't try to fix it attitude is not going to work because there are no players from here getting through so it is broke and if it doesn't change there may not be any more ever!
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Post by BurnOnYou on 27/7/2015, 5:51 pm

I may be putting my head in the sand but I don't see this being put into affect. Put aside all the huge changes, what will happen to clubs who don't have a team in the next age bracket? They have to lose all those girls?
Easy to say play up, but an 03 team in say D1 can't just play up. Unless the club as a bye to offer them that team is going to have to qualify...
Lots of money on the line, I see lawyers getting involved if such a rampant change is forced onto so many thousands of kids.
I can see the change being implemented to all non select kids going forward, but the powers that be couldn't figure out how to deal with team movement due to some canceled games....
We expect them to figure this out???

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Post by SOUTHOFTHETRACKS on 27/7/2015, 5:59 pm

Triumph FC wrote:It's funny how everyone keeps saying the women just won the World Cup. Yes they did and they are the best in the world but not any North Texas players on the roster. We are only one of the few states that played 11v11 at U11 and I know their are good players here so why is it not translating to no squad players? So if it ain't broke don't try to fix it attitude is not going to work because there are no players from here getting through so it is broke and if it doesn't change there may not be any more ever!

In you infinite wisdom... could you tell us what the women that are on the national team played at under 11? Please give us a player by player break down.
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Post by Triumph FC on 27/7/2015, 6:06 pm

Well Alex Morgan didn't start playing until she was 14 so eliminated 11v11 at U11. There's one!
I don't agree with age pure but 11v11 at U11 on an adult field is stupid

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