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Post by SD69 on 14/08/15, 10:15 am

I am still unclear if my Fall b'day DD will get to play club ball her Sr year if this goes through. Would she lose a whole year of select?

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Post by Guest on 14/08/15, 10:52 am

Last time I checked, LHGCL, PPL, and APL all had U19 divisions.

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Post by Barca on 14/08/15, 10:54 am

SD69 wrote:I am still unclear if my Fall b'day DD will get to play club ball her Sr year if this goes through. Would she lose a whole year of select?
I think this will impact select soccer only. I cannot see UIL in Texas adopting such a policy since schools follow a different calendar. Fall dd's would still play HS soccer but it does pose a question related to the year pure dd's who moved on to college vs the ones left in HS. There would be a new need at that level to merge teams with fall aged dd's. Should make things interesting in the last year of select. Less teams for sure.
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Post by NorthDallasSoccer on 14/08/15, 11:38 am

Less teams but the clubs will provide if $$ can be collected. Supply and demand. I mean this in a good way. If enough U19 girls want to play in x years, there will be teams to play for.


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Re: True Age/Age Pure

Post by herradura on 14/08/15, 12:22 pm

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herradura wrote:So "I hear" the 06 and younger age groups will be where they implement this new structure (06s will be going select in the fall of 16).

05s and older will stay as is - would make non-disruptive sense I guess...

Age pure will be implemented across all age groups.

I would double check with your source Shocked
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Post by AtThePitch on 14/08/15, 12:25 pm

Wishful thinking on your part. It sucks IMO, but it's coming....
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Post by Guest on 14/08/15, 12:40 pm

ATP, are you going off of a "source" also?

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Post by SD69 on 14/08/15, 12:50 pm

Solution without a problem IMO
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Re: True Age/Age Pure

Post by herradura on 14/08/15, 12:53 pm

AtThePitch wrote:Wishful thinking on your part. It sucks IMO, but it's coming....

Nope, my DD would actually benefit as she is an 03 birth year, I would seriously consider playing her up if it is one sweeping change - just relaying what I hear. AND.... My anonymous source is more credible than your anonymous source Twisted Evil


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Re: True Age/Age Pure

Post by ballhead on 14/08/15, 12:53 pm

According to the USSF document, it's:
Adopted as best practice for August 2016, and
Mandated in August 2017.

I didn't see anything about a phase in longer than those two years.  

Now that doesn't mean that everyone will exactly follow all the Player Development Initiatives, but I would bet most will.
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Post by AtThePitch on 14/08/15, 12:57 pm

pegleg wrote:ATP, are you going off of a "source" also?

No one is going to come on here and say "yes i have a source and this is who it is and this is the information i have"

Its coming, plain and simple...

There will be teams and/or clubs that just go it as is and play in the new age division they are placed into based on the oldest kid on the roster... if you want to call that grandfathering so be it.

Like i said earlier... you will see some parity at first in the older divisions... what competitive coach wants to see parity?

Its a case of natural selection... we saw this play out since the mid 90s when they switched to school year age... now its going back to how it was.

a year after implementation coaches will be holding tryouts and as tryouts go coaches will be looking for the kid that fits to give them the edge... usually its the older kid (but there are always the exceptions).

I was once a fan when i heard it was coming. I am just not a fan anymore, but I cant sit here and say its not going to happen.
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Re: True Age/Age Pure

Post by blastit on 14/08/15, 01:24 pm

I'm assuming this went out to everyone.

I wanted to update you on the changes that are underway with the USSF Player Development Initiatives.This is what we believe to be true at this point in time.  We are still verifying some aspects of this and will let you know if changes take place. This will affect all:


- North Texas Member Associations' registration of players and formation of teams
- North Texas Competitive Club team formation
- North Texas league playing rules and field layouts
- All other Federation organizations

I have attached some documents to help you understand the initiatives.

The Player Development Initiatives presentation was provided to us by the Federation to help explain the small sided game plan.  It outlines their recommendations on field size as well as the number of players on the field, game length, etc.

The highlights of the small sided formats are:

U8 and below - 4 v 4, no goal keeper
U9, U10 - 7 v 7, goal keeper, but no punting
U11, U12 - 9 v 9

We are expecting some lattitude on the sizes of fields as associations and playing leagues are working with any field modifications necessary.

I have also attached a spreadsheet that has two tabs.  One tab compares where we are now with where we need to be by 2017 on small sided soccer.  The key differences for NTX are the U7/U8 age group, where we will need to move down to 4 v 4 and the U11/U12 age group where we need to move down to 9 v 9.  We are recommending that we move the U7 to 4 v 4 and the U11 to 9 v 9 next year, so that when they move up to U8 and U12 the following year, they will be keeping the same playing format. Then going into 2017, everyone will have transititioned to the desired format.

There is another tab on the calendar year age groups.  North Texas Soccer is planning to make this change for the 2016/2017 playing year. We are in the process of confirming with USSF that these are the correct birth years for the correct age groups for 2016/17 and that all of the other programs that we interact with are changing at the same time.  It will mean that half of each current age group will repeat their age group, if they decide to play within their calendar birth year age group.  

We will be extensively revising the North Texas rules, submitting them to the membership for approval at the mid-year AGM in January.  To minimize the disruption to already formed teams, we are recommending changes to the rules regarding playing up.  Keeping in mind that a team is always designated by the age of their oldest player, we are recommending that players be permitted to play up at any age group.  Then teams with half of their players with one calendar year birthdate and half with another can continue to play together, just designated as the older age.  Associations and clubs could then begin at the youngest age groups with players all from the same calendar birth year and phase into age pure teams.  In addition, any new players added to teams could be added to their own calendar year age group.  If a club or association wanted to go ahead and make adjustment to existing teams, hopefully with minimal upset to players and parents, they
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have the ability to do that.

We will plan time at the AGM to discuss the implementation of these changes, so we are all ready to start with registration in next summer. I will also be working with the Competitive Committee to make any rules recommendations necessary to help make this a smooth transition. This is a lot of changes in a very short period of time and we are very fortunate to be working with a great group of associations and clubs that I am sure will work together and get this done.

Thank you for all you do for the players and your organizations.

Sincerely,

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Re: True Age/Age Pure

Post by planogirl on 14/08/15, 01:32 pm

So a current 07 team suddently become a 06 team? Shocked Cool Question

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We will be extensively revising the North Texas rules, submitting them to the membership for approval at the mid-year AGM in January.  To minimize the disruption to already formed teams, we are recommending changes to the rules regarding playing up.  Keeping in mind that a team is always designated by the age of their oldest player, we are recommending that players be permitted to play up at any age group.  Then teams with half of their players with one calendar year birthdate and half with another can continue to play together, just designated as the older age.  Associations and clubs could then begin at the youngest age groups with players all from the same calendar birth year and phase into age pure teams.  In addition, any new players added to teams could be added to their own calendar year age group.  If a club or association wanted to go ahead and make adjustment to existing teams, hopefully with minimal upset to players and parents, they
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Re: True Age/Age Pure

Post by boilerjoe_96 on 14/08/15, 01:36 pm

Herra better check her 'better' source... that letter if real says it all...

PG: If that team has 06 birthyear kids on it... yes...
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Re: True Age/Age Pure

Post by AtThePitch on 14/08/15, 01:42 pm

oh, its reall. I just didnt think someone would post it in its entirety with the youth commissioners name on it.

Get the popcorn ready... going to get real up in here now.
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Re: True Age/Age Pure

Post by HotShot36 on 14/08/15, 01:47 pm

So I'm guessing that if you are a LH team that decided to stay together, you would have to give up your buy in your current age group and attempt to qualify for the the age group you are now considered (probably D3, maybe D2 of the new division)? How many teams, especially D1 LH teams, are gonna give up that buy just to stay together and go through qualifying all over again?
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Post by Sho'Nuff on 14/08/15, 01:49 pm

HotShot36 wrote:So I'm guessing that if you are a LH team that decided to stay together, you would have to give up your buy in your current age group and attempt to qualify for the the age group you are now considered (probably D3, maybe D2 of the new division)? How many teams, especially D1 LH teams, are gonna give up that buy just to stay together and go through qualifying all over again?

All clubs and teams will be loyal to their current group. Laughing

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Re: True Age/Age Pure

Post by planogirl on 14/08/15, 02:14 pm

boilerjoe_96 wrote:PG:  If that team has 06 birthyear kids on it... yes...

No if, Mine is an 06s Very Happy Very Happy Laughing

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Post by boilerjoe_96 on 14/08/15, 02:30 pm

planogirl wrote:
boilerjoe_96 wrote:PG:  If that team has 06 birthyear kids on it... yes...

No if, Mine is an 06s Very Happy Very Happy Laughing

Than, per the above, she will go select next summer with the calendar age 06s.... whatever team that may be with.
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Post by AtThePitch on 14/08/15, 02:37 pm

Happy why bud? The talent that has pushed mine to get better is moving on. dont be quick to think that 06 talent wont just move up and keep developing against good talent.

every team and every player will have decisions to make, its not as simple as some make it out to be.
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Post by AtThePitch on 14/08/15, 02:39 pm

boilerjoe_96 wrote:
planogirl wrote:
boilerjoe_96 wrote:PG:  If that team has 06 birthyear kids on it... yes...

No if, Mine is an 06s Very Happy Very Happy Laughing

Than, per the above,  she will go select next summer with the calendar age 06s.... whatever team that may be with.

dont be so quick there, if youve seen the attached documents you might not be saying that. Wink
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Post by SD69 on 14/08/15, 02:39 pm

So 05s will have to qualify again?
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Post by SD69 on 14/08/15, 02:40 pm

Or will some 06s not have to qualify at all?
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Post by boilerjoe_96 on 14/08/15, 02:44 pm

AtThePitch wrote:
boilerjoe_96 wrote:
planogirl wrote:
boilerjoe_96 wrote:PG:  If that team has 06 birthyear kids on it... yes...

No if, Mine is an 06s Very Happy Very Happy Laughing

Than, per the above,  she will go select next summer with the calendar age 06s.... whatever team that may be with.

dont be so quick there, if youve seen the attached documents you might not be saying that. Wink

Tell us more ATP.... what do attachments say... those weren't included in the post above.
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Post by AtThePitch on 14/08/15, 02:47 pm

sorry, im just popping the corn and watching this unfold.... not my can of beans to spill. I know nothing.
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Post by SD69 on 14/08/15, 02:56 pm

This talks about being implemented over the summer, but what about ECNL? Will the '03s still be trying out this spring? Will they be age pure also?

I swear, sometimes I think the powers that be just like to throw stuff against a wall and see what sticks Mad
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