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Re: True Age/Age Pure

Post by RightWingDad on Mon Aug 03, 2015 6:31 pm

Heard from a very trusted source inside NTS that USYS wants this implemented across the board, all age groups, no grandfathering in 2016.

We'll see if NTS pushes back on how this gets implemented here.

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Re: True Age/Age Pure

Post by Guest on Mon Aug 03, 2015 8:00 pm

My NTX sources concur

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Re: True Age/Age Pure

Post by boilerjoe_96 on Mon Aug 03, 2015 8:11 pm

So when do your concurring sources say they going to announce something.
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Post by Relegated on Mon Aug 03, 2015 8:15 pm

RightWingDad wrote:Heard from a very trusted source inside NTS that USYS wants this implemented across the board, all age groups, no grandfathering in 2016.

We'll see if NTS pushes back on how this gets implemented here.

So current '03s that are actually born in '03 would still be a year from going to ECNL after this year?
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Re: True Age/Age Pure

Post by RightWingDad on Mon Aug 03, 2015 8:38 pm

Tom P. ECNL is US Club soccer and therefore not part of US Soccer and U.S. Youth Soccer who is behind the age pure push. I'm not sure who USClub answers to and if they want this too.

What a mess that would be though.
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Post by ballhead on Mon Aug 03, 2015 8:44 pm

RightWingDad wrote:Tom P.  ECNL is US Club soccer and therefore not part of US Soccer and U.S. Youth Soccer who is behind the age pure push. I'm not sure who USClub answers to and if they want this too.

What a mess that would be though.

I'm pretty sure they all fall under the US Soccer Federation, which is where this emanates from, so this will apply to them as well.
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Post by AtThePitch on Mon Aug 03, 2015 8:44 pm

Prime time rep has stated that us club will be following it.
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Post by RightWingDad on Mon Aug 03, 2015 9:13 pm

So will that effect ECNL this coming year?
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Re: True Age/Age Pure

Post by AtThePitch on Mon Aug 03, 2015 9:19 pm

Chain of commad....

1. United States Soccer Federation

2. US Youth Soccer. 2A. US Club Soccer.

When the parent company speaks... the rest must follow. ECNL, etc... will all be calendar year.

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Post by PrimeTimeSoccer on Mon Aug 03, 2015 9:19 pm

RightWingDad wrote:Tom P.  ECNL is US Club soccer and therefore not part of US Soccer and U.S. Youth Soccer who is behind the age pure push. I'm not sure who USClub answers to and if they want this too.

What a mess that would be though.


Members of United State Soccer Federation (USSF) are...

US Youth Soccer (NTSSA and other state associations)
US Club Soccer
SAY
AYSO
USSSA (yes, they do more than baseball)


If USSF mandates it, the above organizations will follow or leave USSF.
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Post by AtThePitch on Mon Aug 03, 2015 9:22 pm

@Primetime....

When might we see word from your organization on offering the new field formats and age divisions?
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Re: True Age/Age Pure

Post by Sho'Nuff on Mon Aug 03, 2015 10:11 pm

I expect ECNL to start earlier. While massive change is taking place, makes sense to incorporate it.

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Re: True Age/Age Pure

Post by PrimeTimeSoccer on Mon Aug 03, 2015 10:14 pm

AtThePitch wrote:@Primetime....

When might we see word from your organization on offering the new field formats and age divisions?


2015-2016 Leagues
2010 (U6) = 5v5, 09 & 08 = 7v7, 07 / 06 / 05 / 04 = 9v9


We haven't finalized our 2016-2017 format, because only Boys Classic has declared that U11 will play 9v9 in Fall 2016. We will follow the USSF mandate. We hope LHGCL will make a similar public declaration, soon. It seems to make sense to have the following in 2016-2017, but this is just a thought NOT OFFICIAL. And, our format will depend on the field sizes and goal sizes at the facilities where we play.

2011 (U6) & 10 = 4v4, 09 & 08 = 7v7, 07 / 06 / 05 = 9v9



A lot can happen in the next 12 months...
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Re: True Age/Age Pure

Post by RightWingDad on Mon Aug 03, 2015 11:43 pm

PrimeTimeSoccer wrote:
...A lot can happen in the next 12 months...

Yes, and if I know LH, we'll find out a week before it happens ;-)
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Re: True Age/Age Pure

Post by herradura on Fri Aug 14, 2015 10:12 am

So "I hear" the 06 and younger age groups will be where they implement this new structure (06s will be going select in the fall of 16).

05s and older will stay as is - would make non-disruptive sense I guess...
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Post by grassyknoll on Fri Aug 14, 2015 10:18 am

herradura wrote:So "I hear" the 06 and younger age groups will be where they implement this new structure (06s will be going select in the fall of 16).

05s and older will stay as is - would make non-disruptive sense I guess...

Age pure will be implemented across all age groups.
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Post by SD69 on Fri Aug 14, 2015 10:31 am

Age pure will NOT be implemented across all age groups.

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Just trying to balance the debate. No sources, just like everyone else.
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Re: True Age/Age Pure

Post by Sho'Nuff on Fri Aug 14, 2015 10:37 am

LH will probably just rip off the agepure bandaid at the last minute. Why mess with the cashcow?
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Re: True Age/Age Pure

Post by boilerjoe_96 on Fri Aug 14, 2015 10:38 am

herradura wrote:So "I hear" the 06 and younger age groups will be where they implement this new structure (06s will be going select in the fall of 16).

05s and older will stay as is - would make non-disruptive sense I guess...

While 'I hear' it's a done deal across all ages, I'll play along.

So, 06 go age pure... that leaves Fall 05s to find what age group to play with? 05s? and 05 is supergroup? Or fall 05s stay w 06s for a supergroup...

If LH goes all age pure, they could have a new QT for all age groups and make lots of money.... hmmm.....
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Re: True Age/Age Pure

Post by Guest on Fri Aug 14, 2015 10:46 am

Since we are in a 03 thread I will pose this scenario:

Grandfathered NTX 03 team travels to Michigan to play in a tournament. Michigan is changing to age pure across all age groups so does the Grandfathered NTX 03 team (made up of 02's and 03's) have to play up in the 02 age pure division? That is the piece I cannot make sense of....so I will say age pure across all ages is a done deal and they are announcing today...jk, no source whatsoever

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Post by Sho'Nuff on Fri Aug 14, 2015 10:56 am

Reposting that Michigan link. "However, the US Youth Soccer State Associations, including Michigan, are proceeding with implementation in 2016." They make it sound like the decision has already been made for all the State Associations, including NTX and Cal South.

http://www.michiganyouthsoccer.org/AssetFactory.aspx?did=4305

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Post by AtThePitch on Fri Aug 14, 2015 10:58 am

They will be required to play the age division of the oldest rostered player.

Very straight forward.

What I think you will see at the early onset in the older ages is there is not a huge gap in top talent from one age group to the next age group, in the older ages.... U little is very different.

I can see olders keeping squads intact and just playing up... U litles.. coahces will and are already shifting to find the bigger, stronger, faster of the january-july kids.
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Re: True Age/Age Pure

Post by Barca on Fri Aug 14, 2015 10:59 am

pegleg wrote:Since we are in a 03 thread I will pose this scenario:

Grandfathered NTX 03 team travels to Michigan to play in a tournament.  Michigan is changing to age pure across all age groups so does the Grandfathered NTX 03 team (made up of 02's and 03's) have to play up in the 02 age pure division?  That is the piece I cannot make sense of....so I will say age pure across all ages is a done deal and they are announcing today...jk, no source whatsoever
No source whatsoever but it seems like when we go to these out of state tournaments, their teams are made up of two age groups. I personnaly think that it is because they do not have enough quality players to choose from unless your in a hot bed soccer market like SoCal, NTX, and other promenant locations. So in your scenario, that would be the case.

If such a policy where to be enforced, I would think that you would see a mass shift of teams moving up divisions just to keep their teams together. So 03's play up 02's, 02's play up 01's, etc... My no source said that the 9v9 was a done deal for incoming 06's but there was a faint mention of age pure with nothing really stated about a game plan for that scenario.
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Re: True Age/Age Pure

Post by Barca on Fri Aug 14, 2015 11:00 am

AtThePitch wrote:They will be required to play the age division of the oldest rostered player.  

Very straight forward.

What I think you will see at the early onset in the older ages is there is not a huge gap in top talent from one age group to the next age group, in the older ages.... U little is very different.  

I can see olders keeping squads intact and just playing up... U litles.. coahces will and are already shifting to find the bigger, stronger, faster of the january-july kids.  
Beat me to the punch. cheers
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Re: True Age/Age Pure

Post by boilerjoe_96 on Fri Aug 14, 2015 11:11 am

Barca wrote:
AtThePitch wrote:

I can see olders keeping squads intact and just playing up... U litles.. coahces will and are already shifting to find the bigger, stronger, faster of the january-july kids.  
Beat me to the punch. cheers

Coaches, especially at U-Little will want every advantage they can...so younger teams I think would switch sooner than older teams. Every coach at all ages will prefer to recruit the older Jan-July kids and the ones playing up get pushed further down the bench...until they go back to their own age group.
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Post by SD69 on Fri Aug 14, 2015 11:15 am

I am still unclear if my Fall b'day DD will get to play club ball her Sr year if this goes through. Would she lose a whole year of select?
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