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Re: Pure year age groups

Post by Read_These_Nikes on 9/23/2015, 3:47 pm

adufresne wrote:Seriously? How many threads can we have on here about the AP thing? This "change" will change nothing for the 04s except starting in August they'll be U12 instead of U13. The main impact will be the entering U11 class. The real question is who will move to ECNL?

The bigger clubs wont be phased at all, it will likely actually help some their teams, most of the top players on just about every squad have late birthdays. Most teams will move up to keep bye and some of the parents of 04's that stay with those teams may end up regretting it. Do you think these coaches are going to turn down that talented January-July 03 that wants play on a top D1 team currently 04. Some of you parents may want to keep your eyes peeled during open tryouts in June there will be lots more drama and lots more movement. The kid that has been a starter on the team since academy just may be warming that pine behind a true 03 when next season starts!

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Post by adufresne on 9/23/2015, 4:08 pm

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adufresne wrote:Seriously? How many threads can we have on here about the AP thing? This "change" will change nothing for the 04s except starting in August they'll be U12 instead of U13. The main impact will be the entering U11 class. The real question is who will move to ECNL?

The bigger clubs wont be phased at all, it will likely actually help some their teams, most of the top players on just about every squad have late birthdays. Most teams will move up to keep bye and some of the parents of 04's that stay with those teams may end up regretting it. Do you think these coaches are going to turn down that talented January-July 03 that wants play on a top D1 team currently 04. Some of you parents may want to keep your eyes peeled during open tryouts in June there will be lots more drama and lots more movement. The kid that has been a starter on the team since academy just may be warming that pine behind a true 03 when next season starts!


How is this different than any other year?

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Post by Read_These_Nikes on 9/23/2015, 5:57 pm

There'll be far more player movement than previous years and ALL D1 04's won't be U13 because of that movement. More than you think will stay 04 aka U12 and this hold true especially for the bigger clubs. That's an extra year of dues!
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Post by KeeperCommander on 9/23/2015, 8:52 pm

Read_These_Nikes wrote:There'll be far more player movement than previous years and ALL D1 04's won't be U13 because of that movement. More than you think will stay 04 aka U12 and this hold true especially for the bigger clubs. That's an extra year of dues!
Not it isn't. They are pulled back for club purpose not school. They will still graduate at the same time.

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Post by dreadpirateroberts on 9/24/2015, 8:12 am

Read_These_Nikes wrote:

most of the top players on just about every squad have late birthdays.

Where did you get this stat? I think you pulled it out of a body part based upon your knowledge of maybe one team. The opposite is likely true. Have you never read any Malcolm Gladwell? The teams I have surveyed have a large majority of 03s. My guess is that as you drop down divisions more and more are populated by 04s. So if that is true, I think many 04s will stay and play in the 03 division. But to each his own.

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Post by go99 on 9/24/2015, 8:26 am

awww you guys are so cute. You actually think you will be given a choice at most clubs.

Here is how it will work. Most larger clubs particuarly the ECNL bunch will reorganize their teams to age pure so they don't have to reshuffle for ecnl. It won't be 04's choosing anything. The good 04's will be pushed down to 04 teams to strengthen them. Smaller clubs and idie's that lack the byes to reshuffle may get caught in the mix. Without the ability to strengthen their squads they may find themselves unable to compete. But there will be no chosing to do anything
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Post by Sho'Nuff on 9/24/2015, 8:43 am

go99 wrote:awww you guys are so cute.  You actually think you will be given a choice at most clubs.

Here is how it will work.  Most larger clubs particuarly the ECNL bunch will reorganize their teams to age pure so they don't have to reshuffle for ecnl.  It won't be 04's choosing anything.  The good 04's will be pushed down to 04 teams to strengthen them.  Smaller clubs and idie's that lack the byes to reshuffle may get caught in the mix.  Without the ability to strengthen their squads they may find themselves unable to compete.  But there will be no chosing to do anything

That's how I see things unfolding, but I admit to being cynical about this stuff.

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Post by FCsoccer1 on 9/24/2015, 8:56 am

I guess I would hold a team together til ECNL. Why shuffle now since you GOT a team built. Let the 04s play up.
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Post by go99 on 9/24/2015, 9:01 am

Well that's because you are looking at it from the perspective of the person on the team not the perspective of the club
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Post by Guest on 9/24/2015, 9:05 am

go99 wrote:Well that's because you are looking at it from the perspective of the person on the team not the perspective of the club
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Post by Read_These_Nikes on 9/24/2015, 9:07 am

go99 wrote:awww you guys are so cute.  You actually think you will be given a choice at most clubs.

Here is how it will work.  Most larger clubs particuarly the ECNL bunch will reorganize their teams to age pure so they don't have to reshuffle for ecnl.  It won't be 04's choosing anything.  The good 04's will be pushed down to 04 teams to strengthen them.  Smaller clubs and idie's that lack the byes to reshuffle may get caught in the mix.  Without the ability to strengthen their squads they may find themselves unable to compete.  But there will be no chosing to do anything

That's a fact! Keep in mind that LH will likely keep the player pass and its a major win for the big clubs. Three of the stronger 04's on the team can play games both as 04's AND 03's based on the rule. Just means more touches right?
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Post by Sho'Nuff on 9/24/2015, 9:11 am

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Post by Lefty on 9/24/2015, 9:25 am

Sho'nuff wrote:
go99 wrote:awww you guys are so cute.  You actually think you will be given a choice at most clubs.

Here is how it will work.  Most larger clubs particuarly the ECNL bunch will reorganize their teams to age pure so they don't have to reshuffle for ecnl.  It won't be 04's choosing anything.  The good 04's will be pushed down to 04 teams to strengthen them.  Smaller clubs and idie's that lack the byes to reshuffle may get caught in the mix.  Without the ability to strengthen their squads they may find themselves unable to compete.  But there will be no chosing to do anything

That's how I see things unfolding, but I admit to being cynical about this stuff.

Generally the big clubs will do whatever they think is in their best interest in building the strongest team possible at each level.  

They probably won't worry much about shuffling the U17 & U18 teams as they are almost out the door and the byes (which equal annuities to clubs) are not really at risk.  I think the big team strengthening efforts (annuity maintenance) will come at the U12- U15 levels where there is the most (annuity $) at risk.


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Re: Pure year age groups

Post by go99 on 9/24/2015, 10:55 am

Read_These_Nikes wrote:
go99 wrote:awww you guys are so cute.  You actually think you will be given a choice at most clubs.

Here is how it will work.  Most larger clubs particuarly the ECNL bunch will reorganize their teams to age pure so they don't have to reshuffle for ecnl.  It won't be 04's choosing anything.  The good 04's will be pushed down to 04 teams to strengthen them.  Smaller clubs and idie's that lack the byes to reshuffle may get caught in the mix.  Without the ability to strengthen their squads they may find themselves unable to compete.  But there will be no chosing to do anything

That's a fact! Keep in mind that LH will likely keep the player pass and its a major win for the big clubs. Three of the stronger 04's on the team can play games both as 04's AND 03's based on the rule. Just means more touches right?

Oh yeah definitely. Everyone will be player passing anyway.


Oh wait but if you are an 04 doing well isn't there a 03's version of you right now who will be put down in your spot?
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Post by Read_These_Nikes on 9/24/2015, 1:48 pm

Go, if that question is directed towards me, clarify?
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Post by KeeperCommander on 9/24/2015, 2:35 pm

go99 wrote:
Read_These_Nikes wrote:
go99 wrote:awww you guys are so cute.  You actually think you will be given a choice at most clubs.

Here is how it will work.  Most larger clubs particuarly the ECNL bunch will reorganize their teams to age pure so they don't have to reshuffle for ecnl.  It won't be 04's choosing anything.  The good 04's will be pushed down to 04 teams to strengthen them.  Smaller clubs and idie's that lack the byes to reshuffle may get caught in the mix.  Without the ability to strengthen their squads they may find themselves unable to compete.  But there will be no chosing to do anything

That's a fact! Keep in mind that LH will likely keep the player pass and its a major win for the big clubs. Three of the stronger 04's on the team can play games both as 04's AND 03's based on the rule. Just means more touches right?

Oh yeah definitely.  Everyone will be player passing anyway.


Oh wait but if you are an 04 doing well isn't there a 03's version of you right now who will be put down in your spot?
That doesn't sound right

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Post by go99 on 9/24/2015, 2:42 pm

Read_These_Nikes wrote:Go, if that question is directed towards me, clarify?

No that question wasn't directed specifically at you since I don't know you but it was in regards to the idea of tons of 04's playing up with the 03's next season with player passes. Sure that is one of the things that will be said "oh don't worry we will you a player pass and she will be able to play with the 03's. The reality is there are plenty of good 04 birth years on the mixed birth year 04 teams. However there are also plenty of good 03 birth year kids playing on the mixed birth year 03's. So when the teams are shuffled there is a kid exactly like you who is a younger kid in the current age group who is doing very well. The only difference between the two is 1 is a year older. That being said there probably are a few who are above even that level that may stand out but definitely not most. So for the most part accept that you will be playing in your birth year age next season.
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Post by Read_These_Nikes on 9/24/2015, 4:15 pm

go99 wrote:
Read_These_Nikes wrote:Go, if that question is directed towards me, clarify?

No that question wasn't directed specifically at you since I don't know you...
Why start off with a smart a$$ unnecessary remark? You could of just left it at "it wasn't directed to me". Since when does anybody on here have to know you to ask a damn question? If you knew me I guarantee you wouldn't start off a sentence to me like I'm a damn punk. I asked you to clarify cause the dumb a$$ question you asked didn't make any sense.
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Post by sendit on 9/24/2015, 4:26 pm

I hope smart a$$ unnecessary remarks are still allowed on this forum. Would be sad if they weren't.
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Post by jogobonito06 on 9/24/2015, 4:32 pm

gimeemore wrote:I hope smart a$$ unnecessary remarks are still allowed on this forum.  Would be sad if they weren't.

They are allowed as long as you're not posting from Burleson or Alvarado.
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Post by go99 on 9/24/2015, 4:45 pm

Read_These_Nikes wrote:
go99 wrote:
Read_These_Nikes wrote:Go, if that question is directed towards me, clarify?

No that question wasn't directed specifically at you since I don't know you...
Why start off with a smart a$$ unnecessary remark? You could of just left it at "it wasn't directed to me". Since when does anybody on here have to know you to ask a damn question? If you knew me I guarantee you wouldn't start off a sentence to me like I'm a damn punk. I asked you to clarify cause the dumb a$$ question you asked didn't make any sense.

????? you should really stop taking things so personal.  The "smart ass" remark was a direct answer to a direct question YOU asked.  Was this directed at me?  ANSWER NO. ( why would I direct it specifically at YOU since I have no idea who you actually are. Infact it wasn't really an actual question at all)  I'm not even sure how thats smartass (although I love to make smartass remarks, it's kind of my thing)  And as far as "like you are a punk"?  I really don't get that all.  You chose to get upset and take offense to something that wasn't.  You chose to feel some sort of disrespect where there wasn't any.  Obviously your friends seem to find you very scary, congratulations.
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Post by go99 on 9/24/2015, 4:53 pm

jogobonito07 wrote:
gimeemore wrote:I hope smart a$$ unnecessary remarks are still allowed on this forum.  Would be sad if they weren't.

They are allowed as long as you're not posting from Burleson or Alvarado.

UH OH Shocked maybe he is Capt. Gary Melson. And in that case I would like to take this opportunity to apologize Embarassed
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Post by Sho'Nuff on 9/24/2015, 5:54 pm

jogobonito07 wrote:
gimeemore wrote:I hope smart a$$ unnecessary remarks are still allowed on this forum.  Would be sad if they weren't.

They are allowed as long as you're not posting from Burleson or Alvarado.
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Post by Lefty on 9/24/2015, 5:55 pm

Read_These_Nikes wrote:Go, if that question is directed towards me, clarify?

If you are an 11 or 12 year old girl I guess it could be directed at you, otherwise you are not an 03 or an 04.

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Post by Read_These_Nikes on 9/25/2015, 8:13 am

gimeemore wrote:I hope smart a$$ unnecessary remarks are still allowed on this forum.  Would be sad if they weren't.

I didn't know smart a$$ remarks were encouraged around here will take that into consideration next time. I just type and hit send as fast as I think!

jogobonito07 wrote:

They are allowed as long as you're not posting from Burleson or Alvarado.

I know quite a few smart a$$es from Burleson that would take exception to that comment.

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Read_These_Nikes wrote:Go, if that question is directed towards me, clarify?

If you are an 11 or 12 year old girl I guess it could be directed at you, otherwise you are not an 03 or an 04.

He obviously didn't come on here to ask a 11 or 12 year anything, smart a$$. Don't worry about me getting offended, this time I know its your total intention to be an a$$. Congratulations!

Go, all of my friends have earn the right to be smart a$$es. They've put up with me for years. I could make a extremely smart a$$ reply but I say and do only what I feel is necessary to get my point across.
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Post by go99 on 9/25/2015, 8:23 am

"Oh wait but if you are an 04 doing well isn't there a 03's version of you right now who will be put down in your spot?"- Rhetorical Question

rhetorical question -A rhetorical question is asked just for effect or to lay emphasis on some point discussed when no real answer is expected. A rhetorical question may have an obvious answer but the questioner asks rhetorical questions to lay emphasis to the point. In literature, a rhetorical question is self-evident and used for style as an impressive persuasive device.
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