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Re: Beware of Thugs and White trash!

Post by sportsnerd on 23/10/15, 09:48 am

There's no judgement on slide tackle... did she get the ball... no ball gone way before she came in thats called late. Not hard to tell.  


Opinion was asked and opinion given. Take it for what it's worth. No whining, DD team won the game, came out injury free and moved on.

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Post by Guest on 23/10/15, 10:01 am

sportsnerd wrote:There's no judgement on slide tackle... did she get the ball... no ball gone way before she came in thats called late. Not hard to tell.  


Opinion was asked and opinion given. Take it for what it's worth. No whining, DD team won the game, came out injury free and moved on.

Proved my point for me. Ask any decent ref...whether you get the ball is not the only factor. And if someone started a thread calling out your DD and her teammates, soliciting anonymous parent opinion of the legality of her every tackle, you probably wouldn't have a hard time judging that to be classless and whiny.

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Post by sportsnerd on 23/10/15, 10:19 am

Somebody got up on wrong side of the bed this morning...

I didn't say you have to get the ball to be legal, but it's usually a good indicator of the timing of the tackle.  You can actually get the ball and it still not be legal. It's about how you are coming in on the player and also tIming with the ball. You come in late after ball is gone its a dangerous play and usually a foul. You time it right it's not a foul as long as you don't play through the person with the ball. These were not timed right.

If it continues its inevitable that someone will get hurt as these can be dangerous. Personally not a big fan of slide tackling at this age on these fields as often time the tackler gets hurt as well.

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Post by Looking04 on 23/10/15, 10:26 am

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sportsnerd wrote:There's no judgement on slide tackle... did she get the ball... no ball gone way before she came in thats called late. Not hard to tell.  


Opinion was asked and opinion given. Take it for what it's worth. No whining, DD team won the game, came out injury free and moved on.

Proved my point for me. Ask any decent ref...whether you get the ball is not the only factor. And if someone started a thread calling out your DD and her teammates, soliciting anonymous parent opinion of the legality of her every tackle, you probably wouldn't have a hard time judging that to be classless and whiny.

That might be whiny and classless - if it happened.

I would, however, like to understand when a slide tackle is made well after the ball has been played away and is made with sufficient contact to take out the player - is not a foul.

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Post by Guest on 23/10/15, 10:46 am

It doesn't matter to me one bit whether one player committed a foul in her slide tackle. My point is, of all the parties with any vested interest, the parents of opposing teams are almost ALWAYS the least credible in judging anything related to their players. Their view of "late" and "timing" and even "took out" is rarely objective.

So what does this board look like if EVERY team follows suit and their classy parents start threads labeling children "thugs"  on any opposing team where they didn't get all the calls they wanted. Your DD never committed any foul or late tackle?  You think there isnt another team with parents who could mock the skill level of your DD?If there is a systemic problem with refs or dangerous play, take it up with LH. Coming on the internet feeling smug and calling out individual CHILDREN in individual games is cowardly if you ask me.

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Post by sportsnerd on 23/10/15, 10:59 am

Who got called out. I said a player on the team... didn't mention number or even position.

I didn't start the thread,I didn't even feed into the name calling. I gave my opinion of what I saw at a game against this team. I even went out of my way to make it known that I can't judge the intent of the player. Being late and taking out are pretty easy to ascertain... was the ball gone, did the player get flipped over  and hit the ground??,

So before you start calling someone a coward (BTW on an anonymous message board...i hope you see the irony in that)  you better get your facts straight.  I went out of my way to make sure I did not specify and also prefaced the whole thing with the fact that this was my opinion. I do believe that is what message boards are... places to voice opinions.

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Post by fliptc on 23/10/15, 11:19 am

This goes back to my post on page two of this thread. Until the refs either learn the rules or grow some nuts and start making calls or carding this behavior it is going to continue and girls are going to continue getting hurt. They loose control early on and don't take it back. It could be taken care of easily and early in games and then we would get to see good play but they won't do it
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Post by Guest on 23/10/15, 11:41 am

sportsnerd wrote:Who got called out. I said a player on the team... didn't mention number or even position.

I didn't start the thread,I didn't even feed into the name calling. I gave my opinion of what I saw at a game against this team. I even went out of my way to make it known that I can't judge the intent of the player. Being late and taking out are pretty easy to ascertain... was the ball gone, did the player get flipped over  and hit the ground??,

So before you start calling someone a coward (BTW on an anonymous message board...i hope you see the irony in that)  you better get your facts straight.  I went out of my way to make sure I did not specify and also prefaced the whole thing with the fact that this was my opinion. I do believe that is what message boards are... places to voice opinions.

You made enough description about the size of a child and how many times she did a slide tackle to try identify this kid on this team and passed judgement on her skill level. I didnt call you a coward. I said such an act is, in my opinion, cowardly, given it's done anonymously and after the fact about another child. I stand by that opinion. I am not anonymous on this board now, and never have been.  I wouldn't post anything on this forum I wouldn't be willing to say in person. I have no interest in or knowledge of the team being publicly called out here, but I've been around long enough to know the way this is being done is foul and none of you would want the same treatment or public scrutiny for your own daughter or her teammates.

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Post by sportsnerd on 23/10/15, 01:46 pm

So my description of a step too slow and big enough to do damage is enough to seperate 1 player from another... are the rest of the players speedy little people and she sticks out???

Ok so any description of the action on the field is now forbidden because you might be able to tell who we are talking about. Get real. I dont have a clue who you are so you are anonymous to me. Unless you have some predetermined notion of who I am speaking about then she is not called out...

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Post by sportsnerd on 23/10/15, 01:48 pm

Oh Im sorry I used she as the pronoun that might give something away... let me edit that out....

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Post by Vikarius_lee on 23/10/15, 01:53 pm

My guess is nothing would happen.

Also I hear a lot of complaints about CPP players.
My guess is the CPP kids are dual roster/ bench rider / ECNL players.

No way CPPs can have that much of an impact.

But still, I think CPP is a bad idea and should be ended.

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Post by sportsnerd on 23/10/15, 01:57 pm

Uhhhhh vik... I think you posted to the wrong thread.

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Post by fliptc on 23/10/15, 02:02 pm

Who cares if he almost called out a player(which I don't think he did). They should be called out. If they play that way it should be stopped. There is WAY too much of that going on. I have seen more trainers and ambulances on the fields this year than needs to be.... If the game is played correctly it is a bit rough but it is beautiful. There is too much rough play all around and it is being allowed to continue. That is the issue here. It is not just one team. It is almost across the board. There are a few that don't but most do try to play rougher than should be allowed
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Post by InaB on 23/10/15, 02:06 pm

SN, "it" would be a neutral inference. However, some might get upset because of the inference. So you could say player A, but then that could infer (if you are speaking of the female gender) that you are replacing said players name with an initial. So, I think if you said something like "a gender neutral participant of unknown origin (thus a avoiding any heritage description), seems to either use a slide tackle prematurely or too late. This might be the correct description.

Flip, I think rough play begets rough play. I agree that something should be done before the escalation gets worse.
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Post by Looking04 on 23/10/15, 02:11 pm

Instead of "big", can we please use "hormonally challenged".

Plus - this would help to eliminate identifying a player as "big" or "small" as it could apply to either. It would also reduce the chance of someone identifying said player by his/her/its size.

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Post by InaB on 23/10/15, 02:19 pm

Good thought Jib. Hereditarily challenged could also work. I am thinking that hormonal ly challenged might falsely lead someone to think female.
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Post by Vikarius_lee on 23/10/15, 02:26 pm

I'm thinking that maybe LH does need 3 divisions.
Also think that most LH refs are "Directed " by a " Director of Referees".
Perhaps that would be a good source to voice concerns .
If those concerns were validated . Change would occur.
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Post by Looking04 on 23/10/15, 02:41 pm

InaB wrote:Good thought Jib. Hereditarily challenged could also work. I am thinking that hormonal ly challenged might falsely lead someone to think female.

I think I prefer "hereditarily advantaged" or "hereditarily affected".  I would hate for someone to think that being tall/short/thin/big-boned is a "challenge".

Good thing is - the above describes almost every player and only excludes the "average" player - who we all know is playing in PPL so we don't really care.

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Post by Guest on 23/10/15, 03:17 pm

fliptc wrote:Who cares if he almost called out a player(which I don't think he did). They should be called out.  


At least you're honest. Everyone has their own moral compass, though I think it's a bit sad "adults" can feel righteous calling out young girls on the internet for fouls they may have committed in a meaningless youth soccer game.


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Post by InaB on 23/10/15, 03:27 pm

Hi Job, I think between the two of us we have found the proper reference: Hereditarily affected which equals a parental culpability. Therefore it isn't the fault of the player, it is totally the parents fault for passing on their jeans, er, genes!
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Post by Guest on 24/10/15, 09:34 am

InaB wrote:Hi Job, I think between the two of us we have found the proper reference: Hereditarily affected which equals a parental culpability. Therefore it isn't the fault of the player, it is totally the parents fault for passing on their jeans, er, genes!

So i guess that makes you and your offspring genetically gifted huh? What team do you represent INAB so anyone can go watch these genetically gifted pure bred geniuses who never commit fouls and have amazing skill. Solar 2000? Which one? Lets start a thread and have every opposing parent who ever played your genetically endowed team make comments on just how amazing they really are.

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Post by InaB on 24/10/15, 04:00 pm

433, I was just trying to inject a little humor into a topic which is filled with a lot of venous comments. I will let you and others continue this thread and hope that at some point you all will be blessed with a kinder tongue.
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Post by fliptc on 25/10/15, 12:02 am

433 no actual player has been called out. When your DD is a skill player and gets run and taken out because they get by other girls then you may change your thought process. I was mainly saying the refs need to take control and cut this crap out
Why would you attack InaB? She has done absolutely nothing in this thread to warrant that reaction. All she did was add to the jokes. Maybe you should have read all of this thread before attacking
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Post by nolanryan on 25/10/15, 01:27 am

My kid is an 01, but the topic with its very controversial title caught my attention and this stuff happens in her leagues as well.   I don't know if a team of 15 year olds is inherently "evil", so I lay it on the feet of the referees.  1st dirty play, pull a card and that usually sets the tone for the match.  But it doesn't happen often enough.  Now if a player is calling another player racial epithets, that's plain wrong and I lay that responsibility on the parents.  Things can indeed get hot not he field, but not to that extent please.  The "B" word...ok, fine.  Now if a coach teaches dirty "spikes up" play, then that coach should be thrown out of the league and it brings into question what goals a parent has for her daughter by having that person influence her character. I'm thankful my kid has had decent coaches the last 4 years as opposed to a sensei who wants to "sweep the leg". As for Ina...haters need to lay off of her because she (right?) has never posted anything unkind.
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Post by DDsdadforsoccer on 25/10/15, 05:46 am

Haven't  posted in forever but it does not look like anyone was called out in this post.  In short there is a problem with dangerous play.  It's  a law of the game that isn't  being enforced sufficiently by the refs.  Attend any game in any league and the reckless tackles and play is seen all over.  This causes unnecessary  injuries  to the players.  Simply  put the ref has to enforce the laws and card some of these girls and it stops.  The coaches stop allowing their girls and call them out when it's  dangerous  play and it stops.  The name calling is not necessary.  It is necessary  to allow physical  play but stop dangerous  play.  There is a difference.   If you honestly  watch the game and not just your DD it is pretty easy to determine  just need to be a little  objective.   Inab keep on posting  your humor brought  some levity  to a serious  problem.

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