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Post by jamestren on 05/01/16, 01:00 pm

I come to ask my trusted NTX sources what they have heard about USYS making a run at ECNL by proposing (and likely adopting) a national academy league for girls like they already have for boys? I suppose they would go head to head with ECNL to lure teams away, and my guess is academy boys programs will gladly slide over and accept.

Rumors are everywhere from the ECNL would stay in place as is for younger teams that feed the academy at the older ages, to ECNL will just become a second tier program.

I've heard perspectives from coaches at ECNL clubs, and from directors of clubs that are not ECNL (which want this to happen to lure players back to their clubs).

Any word in the wild? I think everyone will know more after the coaches convention in a couple of weeks, but it would be interesting to hear if anyone has additional information. For parents that are on the ECNL train, it will make things interesting, especially because not every ECNL club has an academy program on the boys side today.

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Post by ElClassico on 05/01/16, 01:40 pm

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Post by Gunners on 05/01/16, 01:41 pm

One to three local ECNL clubs will get an invite to the girls DA.  They will, in theory, pull the majority of the top talent in the area to those teams.

The assumption is that the current setup (ECNL, LH, etc) will remain fairly similar, just without the 25-75 top kids who've moved to DA.

No ones days are numbered, btw (edit, I guess this isn't true since time waits for no man..but you get my point!).  US Soccer doesn't want to be the ECNL (ie 70+ clubs).  They want the top 10-20 teams playing against each other under USSF guidelines, which, again in theory, should help the US national teams be better equipped at the international level.

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Post by Zizou on 05/01/16, 01:53 pm

Who gets the DA invite in Dallas?

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Post by herradura on 05/01/16, 01:55 pm

DA would simply carve out the "elite" or very well connected Shocked - like the boys. ECNL will remain in tact and still serve its purpose as the main recruiting ground for college coaches.

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Post by herradura on 05/01/16, 01:56 pm

Zizou wrote:Who gets the DA invite in Dallas?

My bet: FCD, Sting, Texans - all have facilities and numbers.
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Post by Gunners on 05/01/16, 01:59 pm

One would assume current DA boys clubs (FCD, DT, Solar) with a strong girls side would have a leg up...

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Post by tpitty on 05/01/16, 01:59 pm

The Sting over Solar would be interesting. Especially since Solar is already on the boys DA side.

Of course, it wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility to have both Solar and Sting since the boys side just recently dropped Andro. Meaning that at one point there were 4 clubs selected.

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Post by Zizou on 05/01/16, 02:19 pm

Rumor has it Texans would not take the DA on te girls side maintaining their focus on the boys. Has anyone else heard this?

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Post by planogirl on 05/01/16, 02:51 pm

Zizou wrote:Rumor has it Texans would not take the DA on te girls side maintaining their focus on the boys. Has anyone else heard this?

On the contrary, our coach is every excited about the girl DA and expecting more girls flood into Texans soon.

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Post by jamestren on 05/01/16, 02:59 pm

planogirl wrote:
Zizou wrote:Rumor has it Texans would not take the DA on te girls side maintaining their focus on the boys. Has anyone else heard this?

On the contrary, our coach is every excited about the girl DA and expecting more girls flood into Texans soon.

I realize I misinterpreted "Texans" for "Texas"... Deleting my original comment as it makes little sense Smile


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Post by Sho'Nuff on 05/01/16, 03:26 pm

Gunners wrote:One would assume current DA boys clubs (FCD, DT, Solar) with a strong girls side would have a leg up...

If Texans get it, they should just run the DA program on the south side of the metroplex.

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Post by ElClassico on 05/01/16, 09:25 pm

Gunners wrote:One to three local ECNL clubs will get an invite to the girls DA.  They will, in theory, pull the majority of the top talent in the area to those teams.

The assumption is that the current setup (ECNL, LH, etc) will remain fairly similar, just without the 25-75 top kids who've moved to DA.

No ones days are numbered, btw (edit, I guess this isn't true since time waits for no man..but you get my point!).  US Soccer doesn't want to be the ECNL (ie 70+ clubs).  They want the top 10-20 teams playing against each other under USSF guidelines, which, again in theory, should help the US national teams be better equipped at the international level.

Looking at the boys league U15/16 has 70+ teams so I'm not sure your estimate of 10-20 is very accurate.
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Post by Gunners on 05/01/16, 09:28 pm

So you think there are 70 girls clubs looking to give girls a place to play soccer for free with no chance of making that money back?

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Post by Zizou on 05/01/16, 09:37 pm

planogirl wrote:
Zizou wrote:Rumor has it Texans would not take the DA on te girls side maintaining their focus on the boys. Has anyone else heard this?

On the contrary, our coach is every excited about the girl DA and expecting more girls flood into Texans soon.
Girls flooding into a club means someone already in the club could be losing their position and playing time. It's a situation for most to be careful what you wish for. Yeah competition is a good thing.

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Post by Lefty on 06/01/16, 07:04 am

Gunners wrote:So you think there are 70 girls clubs looking to give girls a place to play soccer for free with no chance of making that money back?

Probably.

Just considered a cost of sustaining and developing the Brand for the larger clubs who will make their money on the other teams in the club.

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Post by Gunners on 06/01/16, 09:50 am

I will believe it when I see it.

Call me a cynic, but I struggle to believe clubs will buy into a model that will probably take mid six figures out of their pockets every year for "the good of the future of women's soccer".

If there was sustainable pro league(s) like there is for men, then I might buy into it.  Without a way to monetize the product (ie players), then I just don't see the economics of it being in the clubs best interest.

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Post by Lefty on 06/01/16, 11:01 am

Gunners wrote:I will believe it when I see it.

Call me a cynic, but I struggle to believe clubs will buy into a model that will probably take mid six figures out of their pockets every year for "the good of the future of women's soccer".

If there was sustainable pro league(s) like there is for men, then I might buy into it.  Without a way to monetize the product (ie players), then I just don't see the economics of it being in the clubs best interest.

Don't think they will do it for 'the good of the future of women's soccer', think they will do it to continue making money and extending the brand of their club.

Being in DA will create exclusivity for those clubs.  They monetize the investment through kids and parents on the other (non-DA team) teams being able to say they play for the club.  Most of the larger clubs already have substantial 'scholarship' investments in players to help them win and advance the brand today, so it may just be a shifting within the club of where the investments are made.

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Post by BurnOnYou on 08/01/16, 09:15 am

I don't think that the DA for girls will be free as it is with the boys.
Rather I believe it will be another tier of talent and the parents will continue to pay the clubs for their DD's to be part of it.
I think that ECNL will not go away and there may even be opportunity for more girls, who might have been good enough for ECNL but not good enough to start, to get more opportunity to display their skills to college coaches.
Why wouldn't the teams who do end up going DA also field an ECNL team? Might be some dual rostering, but still creates more slots for girls.
Think the ultimate loser will be LHGCL since girls who might not have had the chance to play at an elite level may now get that shot and thus potentially fewer (how many???) playing in classic league. Plus with 2 tiers of elite play available to the girls, LHGCL falls in perceived status as the girls get older.
Which three teams get selected for DA will be interesting to watch. Sting has a complex but wonder whether they have the same degree of contacts as the other three. As we all know, life often has less to do with what someone sees as fair and more to do with who you know...

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Post by RightWingDad on 08/01/16, 12:43 pm

BurnOnYou wrote:As we all know, life often has less to do with what someone sees as fair and more to do with who you know...

Or maybe like, "who knows you" and can benefit by you being there.
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