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Post by lulu22 on 02/03/16, 09:24 am

For those who have been through the transition from academy to select, what would be the disadvantages of waiting to find a team until after signing day, after QT?

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Post by SocDad on 02/03/16, 09:51 am

lulu22 wrote:For those who have been through the transition from academy to select, what would be the disadvantages of waiting to find a team until after signing day, after QT?  

One may sit back and think......"Oh, I'll sit back and wait until the dust settles and then go shopping....I'll have more leverage".

1.  WRONG.....most slots are filled up by that point.  So unless your DD is a "Good/Great" soccer player, you will only be filling slots on the team and might not get to see much PT as you would like.

2.  The TIME is now.....Between February and June 30th, is the time you need to be jockeying for a team by researching and talking with coaches watching practices/games etc.  It takes time to get familiar with things.

3.  More than likely, the better teams roster are pretty much 90% set by June and 98% set by June 30th

4.  Remember, that most teams will be entering Tournament season during May and June and 1 in July and doing at least 2-3 week practices.  Waiting....you severely diminish your chances of getting seen (game time).  Now, most coaches hold 1 slot open for that special DD....I've even "Heard" that a coach let a signed player go and moved someone into that slot "Shady move"Smile

5.  But, with everyone going AP (reduction in Rosters sizes) and figuring it all out....who's knows how it will play out?
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Post by lulu22 on 02/03/16, 12:08 pm

Just seems the current landscape is very different than prior years.  Many rosters seem to be in a huge state of flux and when the current contract period ends, even "solid" rosters will be shaken-up as players shift to AP.

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Post by CBTeamworks on 02/03/16, 01:15 pm

IF she's a great player then a coach will find an open spot for her that they saved for just such an occasion.
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Post by SocDad on 02/03/16, 01:24 pm

CBTeamworks wrote:IF she's a great player then a coach will find an open spot for her that they saved for just such an occasion.

Keyword:  "GREAT" cheers
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Post by CBTeamworks on 02/03/16, 01:44 pm

SocDad wrote:
CBTeamworks wrote:IF she's a great player then a coach will find an open spot for her that they saved for just such an occasion.

Keyword:  "GREAT" cheers

Great is too strong. If she is good enough to help the team and they have a spot then they'll give it to her. The better the team the higher the competition the less likelihood for open spots and for players good enough to be able to help.
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Post by lulu22 on 02/03/16, 02:17 pm

After what date can players under contract begin to practice with other teams?

I simply do not understand the rush to sign? I understand the clubs motivation, but not the players. Especially in a year with so much change.

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Post by DDPlays4Snacks on 02/03/16, 03:10 pm

Lulu22 - For this year only, due to Age Pure changes, free roaming/visiting may begin after State Cup which finishes May 8th.

NTSSA rule 3.10.10
After completion of State Cup competition for their age group or completion of league play for their team, whichever is last (the end of the soccer-playing year for competitive players), players may practice with other teams without any required release or other permission, although formal tryouts may not be held until July 1. Players wishing to guest play in tournaments must always obtain a properly signed guest player release.

http://www.ntxsoccer.org/assets/pdfs/2015-2016_NTSSA_Bylaws_and_Rules_01-19-2016.pdf
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Post by upper95 on 02/03/16, 03:22 pm

lulu22 wrote:After what date can players under contract begin to practice with other teams?

I simply do not understand the rush to sign?  I understand the clubs motivation, but not the players.  Especially in a year with so much change.

Since this is an 06 thread, don't see why this is relevant to the discussion since no 06's were eligible for competitive, including those born in fall of 05.  No 06's can be under a competitive contract until July 1 2016.  I will answer the question, though.

Beginning this year, open practices for competitive teams may begin the day after State Cup ends - May 9.  Players under contract may freely practice (without permission from current coach) with any team that will have them, but guest player releases are required for tournaments.  Players not under contract, "free agents", may practice with any team at any time. All players under contract become free agents on July 1 until such time that another contract is signed.  

Players born in Spring 05 and currently under contract must wait for May 9 to practice elsewhere unless they get a "release to rec" by April 1.   Theoretically, half of the players that would comprise an age pure 05 team are under contract with the remainder coming from the academy ranks.


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Post by lulu22 on 02/03/16, 03:37 pm

That is helpful. So true 05 AP teams will begin to form after May 9.

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Post by go99 on 02/03/16, 03:53 pm

Every coach knows that a players waiting until after signing day is an opportunist looking to capitalize on the "teams" hard work of qualifying. Instead of earning their way into D1 they would rather someone else did it for them. That player usually isn't worth the drama that will come with them. That being said if the team is lacking and needs a player or "payer" or the player is exceptional then they will have a spot. I will say my son is in the DA and 16 and he still remembers his qualifying tournament and the hard work he put in with his TEAM
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Post by upper95 on 02/03/16, 04:02 pm

lulu22 wrote:That is helpful.  So true 05 AP teams will begin to form after May 9.

no... already happening.

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Post by Deuce on 02/03/16, 04:28 pm

Check out the current FBR post in this group & look at the tiers. You'll see many teams listed as 06AP and some 05AP. They're lining up rosters now for July.

Sure some will come & go over the next few months, but I'd guess players on those teams mostly sign where they are now.

These last few months of academy are the time to check things out & shop around.

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Post by FBR06G on 02/03/16, 05:05 pm

Deuce wrote:Check out the current FBR post in this group & look at the tiers. You'll see many teams listed as 06AP and some 05AP. They're lining up rosters now for July.

Sure some will come & go over the next few months, but I'd guess players on those teams mostly sign where they are now.

These last few months of academy are the time to check things out & shop around.

A couple of things to add to that. The teams on the tier list that do not have 05AP by their name and plan to qualify 05AP I would be glad to add 05AP by their name if they just let me know. That way when I post tiers you can see them.

A few teams in tier list no longer exist because they split to an 05AP team and an 06AP team and their old game data just hasn't dropped off yet. (Ex DT Venom is now DT Glotzbach 06AP without their 05 birth years now)

Game data still being entered is only u10 data. But PrimeTime has an 05AP league where many teams are using 05 birth years players from old 05/06 teams combined with current select players birth year 05. These games are not entered in the game data so here is the link if you want to see those teams.

http://events.gotsport.com/events/Default.aspx?EventID=49900
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Post by lulu22 on 02/03/16, 07:07 pm

But do those teams listed as 05AP have any Jan-July 05s in the team? Would think some Jan-July 05s would drop in after May causing a re-shuffle of the current AP 05 rosters.

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Post by FBR06G on 02/03/16, 07:46 pm

The games in the 06 FBR do not.   No games that used select 05AP players in a U11 division are entered.

But YES the link I gave with PrimeTime for 05AP several teams have girls playing Lake Highlands league in current 05 age set up and then the Jan 05 to JULY 05 players merging with the Aug 05 to Dec 05 players playing as a team to get ready for age pure on Sunday league at PT.
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Post by lulu22 on 02/03/16, 08:01 pm

Maybe a few teams in the Sunday PT league have a couple of Jan thru July players here and there, but from what I know if these teams they are mostly comprised of Aug thru Dec 05 players. Unlikely these PT rosters will stay intact going into qualifying. Once we see the bulk of the Jan thru July 05 that chose to drop in to AP 05 the rosters will be in for a major reshuffle.

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Post by Guest on 02/03/16, 08:58 pm

Any idea on how many legacy '05 teams are keeping their bye in '05AP vs '04AP?

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Post by FBR06G on 02/03/16, 09:10 pm

That will be interesting too which 05 teams hand their bye to 05AP instead of moving it up. Some 05s may not ever experience qualifying.
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Post by anothercrazysoccerdad on 03/03/16, 06:09 am

go99 wrote:Every coach knows that a players waiting until after signing day is an opportunist looking to capitalize on the "teams" hard work of qualifying.  Instead of earning their way into D1 they would rather someone else did it for them.  That player usually isn't worth the drama that will come with them.  That being said if the team is lacking and needs a player or "payer" or the player is exceptional then they will have a spot.  I will say my son is in the DA and 16 and he still remembers his qualifying tournament and the hard work he put in with his TEAM

Isn't the QT tourney 3 weeks after the July 1 signing day?  Finding a team with open slots after signing day may be a challenge, but if you find one, your DD can still help them qualify.

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Post by kadro on 03/03/16, 08:32 am

anothercrazysoccerdad wrote:

Isn't the QT tourney 3 weeks after the July 1 signing day?  Finding a team with open slots after signing day may be a challenge, but if you find one, your DD can still help them qualify.

I believe LH rosters have to submit around July 6th.

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Post by RightWingDad on 03/03/16, 11:53 am

Kadro, does that include the "ghost" players on the 7/6 roster to maintain that bye?

I think....maybe....it's been done before. Shocked
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Post by RightWingDad on 03/03/16, 11:55 am

Oops, never mind. My bad. Didn't look at the age group, darn those work distractions ;-)
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Post by Fightjunkie on 03/03/16, 12:01 pm

lulu22 wrote:Maybe a few teams in the Sunday PT league have a couple of Jan thru July players here and there, but from what I know if these teams they are mostly comprised of Aug thru Dec 05 players.  Unlikely these PT rosters will stay intact going into qualifying.  Once we see the bulk of the Jan thru July 05 that chose to drop in to AP 05 the rosters will be in for a major reshuffle.
You sure about that? I know of several teams with split rosters of younger 05's and older 05's that also play in Lake Highlands and other leagues.

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Post by AtThePitch on 03/03/16, 12:43 pm

Aug. - Dec. 2005 birthday DDs are not permitted to play in Lake Highlands as they are still considered U10 and not eligible for select as of this soccer year.

So if there is a DD with a birth date in that range playing in lake highlands they should not be.
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