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How many '06 teams should be in U11 LH D1?

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Post by Guest on 26/04/16, 11:13 am

Just curious what soccer people, outside of my bubble, would like to see.

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Post by Guest on 02/05/16, 09:06 am

guys, this is a problem.

I'm not going to make an elitist argument. I think this is mostly an issue of 9v9 compared to 11v11. The score can get lopsided real quick.


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Post by Uwon't on 02/05/16, 09:40 am

I vote for 10/10/10 and have 3 divisions from the start. I know it's not done that way but I'm not smart enough to figure out why it can't be done. Based solely on current rankings, 1-3 ranked teams will have 5-6 competitive games for the entire year. And could be less than that depending on how things shake out this summer. Teams ranked 4-12 they will have the best of all worlds, a few cake walk games, a few competive games and a few demoralizer games. Teams ranked 13 and below, take cover and hope it all ends soon.

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Post by Guest on 02/05/16, 10:08 am

It used to be 10/10/10, but changed somewhere back around when the '98's or '99's qualified at U11, if memory serves me correct.

The argument against 10/10/10 is that with the current QT format of typically having 11-14 4-team brackets in week 1, you end up determining the D1 cutoff based on points, and will have some week 1 bracket winners not in D1. So unless you change the QT format significantly, which present logistics challenges, I can see where it's not the ideal way to try and figure out the 10 best teams.

On the other side, you are correct that you get several lopsided contests at U11 with a 20-team Supergroup, but you do generally get a better determination and setup of the top 10 and second 10 for U12 and beyond.

...and trust me when I say that 2 years from now, none of this will really matter to you anymore (unless you've got another one coming up through the process).


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Post by 06Southgirl on 02/05/16, 10:11 am

Uwon't wrote:I vote for 10/10/10 and have 3 divisions from the start. I know it's not done that way but I'm not smart enough to figure out why it can't be done. Based solely on current rankings, 1-3 ranked teams will have 5-6 competitive games for the entire year. And could be less than that depending on how things shake out this summer. Teams ranked 4-12 they will have the best of all worlds, a few cake walk games, a few competive games and a few demoralizer games. Teams ranked 13 and below, take cover and hope it all ends soon.

Pretty good overview

I vote for 15-15. Meet in the middle on this.
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Post by Guest on 02/05/16, 10:16 am

Remind me again the U11 record for goals scored?

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Post by Guest on 10/05/16, 01:53 pm

Uwon't wrote:I vote for 10/10/10 and have 3 divisions from the start. I know it's not done that way but I'm not smart enough to figure out why it can't be done. Based solely on current rankings, 1-3 ranked teams will have 5-6 competitive games for the entire year. And could be less than that depending on how things shake out this summer. Teams ranked 4-12 they will have the best of all worlds, a few cake walk games, a few competive games and a few demoralizer games. Teams ranked 13 and below, take cover and hope it all ends soon.

So about $400-$600 per competitive game? Cool

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Post by Uwon't on 10/05/16, 02:35 pm

Sho'Nuff wrote:
Uwon't wrote:I vote for 10/10/10 and have 3 divisions from the start. I know it's not done that way but I'm not smart enough to figure out why it can't be done. Based solely on current rankings, 1-3 ranked teams will have 5-6 competitive games for the entire year. And could be less than that depending on how things shake out this summer. Teams ranked 4-12 they will have the best of all worlds, a few cake walk games, a few competive games and a few demoralizer games. Teams ranked 13 and below, take cover and hope it all ends soon.

So about $400-$600 per competitive game?  Cool


Sounds about right but they still get a competitive training environment with quality coaches and that's what's important, right? Plus there will be plenty of playing time for the girls 10-13/14 on the top teams.

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Post by Guest on 13/05/16, 12:38 pm

Based on recent years, 20 in D1 and 10 in D3 is the right model.  Depending on the age group, there are a couple separation points in D1.  The separation in D1 is usually around the team ranked 6-9 at end of season.  You can clearly identify the top D1 teams based on both goal differential and W/L.  The next separation point is typically between spots 13-15.   That shakeout takes a season to sort itself out.  The bottom 5 in a 20 team supergroup always gets pummeled, but that is just the imperfection of a qualifying tournament.

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Post by Guest on 13/05/16, 02:03 pm

Shake_and_Bake wrote:Based on recent years, 20 in D1 and 10 in D3 is the right model.  Depending on the age group, there are a couple separation points in D1.  The separation in D1 is usually around the team ranked 6-9 at end of season.  You can clearly identify the top D1 teams based on both goal differential and W/L.  The next separation point is typically between spots 13-15.   That shakeout takes a season to sort itself out.  The bottom 5 in a 20 team supergroup always gets pummeled, but that is just the imperfection of a qualifying tournament.

I believe 9v9 changes everything that you experienced vets know about this topic. Records will be broken! I wouldn't be surprised if this '06 agegroup is the last 'supergroup' we see.

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Post by Guest on 13/05/16, 03:41 pm

Sho'Nuff wrote:
Shake_and_Bake wrote:Based on recent years, 20 in D1 and 10 in D3 is the right model.  Depending on the age group, there are a couple separation points in D1.  The separation in D1 is usually around the team ranked 6-9 at end of season.  You can clearly identify the top D1 teams based on both goal differential and W/L.  The next separation point is typically between spots 13-15.   That shakeout takes a season to sort itself out.  The bottom 5 in a 20 team supergroup always gets pummeled, but that is just the imperfection of a qualifying tournament.

I believe 9v9 changes everything that you experienced vets know about this topic.  Records will be broken!  I wouldn't be surprised if this '06 agegroup is the last 'supergroup' we see.

Sho'Nuff, first half of the season in D1, the results may be one sided, but I think the gap will close faster than years past. I am also confident you will see another 3-4 teams emerge in the coming months that contend with the top 4-5 teams.

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Post by Guest on 19/05/16, 12:53 pm

It sure is a fine day. sunny

Are we looking at 5 teams or 10 teams in the top flight?

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Post by 06Southgirl on 19/05/16, 01:09 pm

Sho'Nuff wrote:It sure is a fine day.   sunny

Are we looking at 5 teams or 10 teams in the top flight?

?? we still on this topic of this thread or a new one??
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Post by Uwon't on 23/05/16, 09:39 am

Looks like sho' got his wish with this Jr. Development league. Just one question, will the 10 teams still play in the regular lhgcl or just the development league?

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Post by Guest on 23/05/16, 10:07 am

It will depend if the ECNL clubs are willing to forego their top 2 teams playing in State Cup...

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Post by SD69 on 23/05/16, 10:27 am

BW are you a lawyer by trade. You sure can close a lot of loopholes.
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Post by AtThePitch on 23/05/16, 10:30 am

um, player pass...
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Post by Guest on 23/05/16, 10:41 am

AtThePitch wrote:um, player pass...

Can't CPP a full roster, so either the clubs will forego State Cup, or you will see a lot of dual rostering going on.  I know which one my money is on... (hint... so much for USSF guidelines about training:game ratio...)


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Post by AtThePitch on 23/05/16, 10:46 am

You've been at this for years BW... same tune, different channel....
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Post by Guest on 23/05/16, 05:44 pm

Uwon't wrote:Looks like sho' got his wish with this Jr. Development league. Just one question, will the 10 teams still play in the regular lhgcl or just the development league?

Obviously, I'm hoping for one league. What are the parents saying?

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Post by Guest on 23/05/16, 05:58 pm

Sho'Nuff wrote:What are the parents saying?

"Eff those idiots at USSF! It's way more important for me to be able to show that iPhone picture of little Abbyalex holding the State Cup trophy to everyone at the office on Monday morning!"

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Post by Uwon't on 23/05/16, 06:33 pm

Sho'Nuff wrote:
Uwon't wrote:Looks like sho' got his wish with this Jr. Development league. Just one question, will the 10 teams still play in the regular lhgcl or just the development league?

Obviously, I'm hoping for one league.  What are the parents saying?

Thought that would be the case until BW made the state cup point. No way the 10 teams will miss out on that. My DD is on the outside looking in with regards to the development league so I was just excited there could possibly be 10 less demoralizer games in my dd's future, that's if they even made D1. So back to status quo, 10 teams get to play a few more competitve games and get another recruiting tool, which 3 clubs have already used it, to make their teams even stronger.

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Post by Guest on 23/05/16, 07:51 pm

bwgophers wrote:
Sho'Nuff wrote:What are the parents saying?

"Eff those idiots at USSF!  It's way more important for me to be able to show that iPhone picture of little Abbyalex holding the State Cup trophy to everyone at the office on Monday morning!"

De facto State Champ will suffice

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Post by 06Southgirl on 23/05/16, 08:36 pm

lol!
Sho'Nuff wrote:
bwgophers wrote:
Sho'Nuff wrote:What are the parents saying?

"Eff those idiots at USSF!  It's way more important for me to be able to show that iPhone picture of little Abbyalex holding the State Cup trophy to everyone at the office on Monday morning!"

De facto State Champ will suffice
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Post by Guest on 23/05/16, 08:45 pm

06southgirl wrote:lol!
Sho'Nuff wrote:
bwgophers wrote:
Sho'Nuff wrote:What are the parents saying?

"Eff those idiots at USSF!  It's way more important for me to be able to show that iPhone picture of little Abbyalex holding the State Cup trophy to everyone at the office on Monday morning!"

De facto State Champ will suffice

No one good enough in the '06's to earn De Facto status... affraid

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