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Post by KnKsDad on 20/05/16, 09:22 pm

TransparentTruth2016 wrote:This was forwarded to me today, my daughter doesn't play for LP, but if she did and was on a team that was shown favoritism like this I would think it's unfair to all the other teams that are having to pay full price.  Why should a team end up paying approx $1200 less (fees + free tourneys) than the other club teams?  If anything it should be the opposite.  If your daughter is on a team that plays in a lower cost league then they should pay less.  This type of favoritism doesn't sit well with me, in my opinion, if Mr. Brody is willing to do this for one of his teams he should be willing to do the same for all of them.

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I sat down and had great meeting with Liverpool FC America CEO/President Peter Brody yesterday and the meeting went well. Peter values and appreciates these remarkable group of girls and what they have accomplished over the years.  For the up and going 2016-2017 season, Peter is offering the following for new and current players of LP 03G Elite.

2016/2017 Club Dues will be roughly about $2650 (give or take) not including uniforms.  All current and new players to LP 03G Elite will receive a .25% discount on Club Dues.. Roughly about $662.50 off.

$2650 (Club dues) - $662.50 (.25%) = $1987.50

Peter will pay for new Liverpool Red replica kit valued at roughly about $125.00.  Red authentic replica kit is replaced yearly.. This does not include the white uniform kit and practice uniforms.

$1987.50 - $125.00 (Red replica kit) = $1862.50

Peter Brody has also volunteered to pay for 5 to 6 tournaments throughout the year, a savings of roughly between $360 - $400 dollars.  Tournaments fee can average between $55 to $65 per player depending on total tournament cost.  Great way to start off the 2016-2017 season by passing this discount onto you.

I like your little screen name...sounds righteous. Your kid doesn't play for LP, yet you wanted to be "transparent" and present the "truth". My how heroic. Why should you care? I could understand someone from within the LP organization, but you?

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Post by KnKsDad on 20/05/16, 09:35 pm

FCT2016 wrote:Ha Shocked wow I'd expect more if my DD was being taught kickball. I'd imagine that the other LP teams will be real happy about this.

Kickball? For one of those who has "hated" LP Elite (FKA RASE) on the field these past few years, kickball is not a term I would use to describe them. Can you at least sound a bit more credible?

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Post by bwgophers on 20/05/16, 09:48 pm

This is no different than a company giving a raise, or paying a "retention bonus" to entice/ensure a high value employee to stay with the company in a competitive environment.  Nothing wrong with it, and a perfectly valid tool.

However, there's usually a "Hey, I know I probably don't need to say this, but I would appreciate your discretion in discussing the terms of your compensation."

If this e-mail is legit, then somebody isn't the sharpest tool in the shed...

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Post by KnKsDad on 20/05/16, 09:57 pm

FCT2016 wrote:They're not intact they've lost players already this year and a Ton are at ECNL tryouts.

Again, as I've indicated previously, you lack credibility. A "ton"? Really? As someone else on here once responded to a similar exaggerated claim, do tell. Lol Btw, how many Elite practices have you been to lately? Do you think there is zero interest on behalf of players considering joining their team? Don't forget, there are two sides to the equation and since this isn't algebra, they don't have to be equal. You feel me?

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Post by adufresne on 20/05/16, 10:16 pm

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TransparentTruth2016 wrote:This was forwarded to me today, my daughter doesn't play for LP, but if she did and was on a team that was shown favoritism like this I would think it's unfair to all the other teams that are having to pay full price.  Why should a team end up paying approx $1200 less (fees + free tourneys) than the other club teams?  If anything it should be the opposite.  If your daughter is on a team that plays in a lower cost league then they should pay less.  This type of favoritism doesn't sit well with me, in my opinion, if Mr. Brody is willing to do this for one of his teams he should be willing to do the same for all of them.

All,

I sat down and had great meeting with Liverpool FC America CEO/President Peter Brody yesterday and the meeting went well. Peter values and appreciates these remarkable group of girls and what they have accomplished over the years.  For the up and going 2016-2017 season, Peter is offering the following for new and current players of LP 03G Elite.

2016/2017 Club Dues will be roughly about $2650 (give or take) not including uniforms.  All current and new players to LP 03G Elite will receive a .25% discount on Club Dues.. Roughly about $662.50 off.

$2650 (Club dues) - $662.50 (.25%) = $1987.50

Peter will pay for new Liverpool Red replica kit valued at roughly about $125.00.  Red authentic replica kit is replaced yearly.. This does not include the white uniform kit and practice uniforms.

$1987.50 - $125.00 (Red replica kit) = $1862.50

Peter Brody has also volunteered to pay for 5 to 6 tournaments throughout the year, a savings of roughly between $360 - $400 dollars.  Tournaments fee can average between $55 to $65 per player depending on total tournament cost.  Great way to start off the 2016-2017 season by passing this discount onto you.

I like your little screen name...sounds righteous. Your kid doesn't play for LP, yet you wanted to be "transparent" and present the "truth". My how heroic. Why should you care? I could understand someone from within the LP organization, but you?


Make it 50% and you got a deal.

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Post by FCT2016 on 20/05/16, 10:28 pm

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FCT2016 wrote:They're not intact they've lost players already this year and a Ton are at ECNL tryouts.

Again, as I've indicated previously, you lack credibility. A "ton"? Really? As someone else on here once responded to a similar exaggerated claim, do tell. Lol Btw, how many Elite practices have you been to lately? Do you think there is zero interest on behalf of players considering joining their team? Don't forget, there are two sides to the equation and since this isn't algebra, they don't have to be equal. You feel me?

5, 6 at a guess

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Post by FCT2016 on 20/05/16, 10:30 pm

[quote="KnKsDad"]
FCT2016 wrote:Ha Shocked wow I'd expect more if my DD was being taught kickball. I'd imagine that the other LP teams will be real happy about this.

Kickball? For one of those who has "hated" LP Elite (FKA RASE) on the field these past few years, kickball is not a term I would use to describe them. Can you at least sound a bit more credible?[/quote

Never used to be kickball and why don't you get soap to find some quotes of yours going back some hating on LP you jumping on gravy train too late!

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Post by go99 on 20/05/16, 11:09 pm

Hmmm I prefer the term longball
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Post by bwgophers on 20/05/16, 11:21 pm

go99 wrote:Hmmm I prefer the term longball

Parents dig the longball...

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Post by JonSneauxTargaryen on 21/05/16, 12:55 am

Damn!! the forum community been reaching pretty hard for a topic of discussion these days!! One thing consistent though is that people still find some stupid reason to hate on RASE

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Post by BrianWilliams on 21/05/16, 07:41 am

I've seen kickball.  It does involve a ball about the size of a soccer ball.  But it also has bases and a pitcher.  Football as neither of these things.

There are 2 types of football - "possession" and "direct".  

Possession football is about kicking the ball around, generally on the defensive side of the field.  Many times, it involves aimless kicking (hopefully between players of the same team).  Players may be under no pressure and just kick the ball around - like you see in warmups.  Oftentimes, a game of football involving a "possession" team is about as exciting to watch as tennis.  When you hear of a team losing 8-0, their coach will probably be saying "but we had good possession".  Teams who play possession football generally don't score much - because kicking the ball away will likely lose possession.

Direct football is all about kicking the ball directly at the goal - what a concept!  Football does not award points for the most connected passes.  It awards points for . . . kicking the ball into the opponents net.  Many times, direct football involves aimless kicking of the ball . . . towards the net!  

When you hear a team has won 8-0, you will often hear the losing team complain "hey, they played kickball".  First, isn't the point of the game . . . to score more goals?  Second, claiming the other team played "kickball" makes you sound like ignorant Americans - it's called "direct football" (it's not called "hands" or "hand ball", it's called "handling"; not "offsides" but rather "offside"; and the name of the game is "football").  

Finally, show me a "possession" football team and I will show you a team that, not surprisingly, doesn't score many goals.  That team is usually also called the "losers".  They may be very good at ties - and parents happy with that are usually demanding participation trophies.  When they do score goals, it is usually a result of them lulling the other team to sleep with their endless passing.

So to recap - the objective in football is to score goals.  Teams that score more goals are winners.  They score goals from kicking the ball towards the net. Teams that score fewer goals are losers.  Losers complain about teams who score goals, aka "direct football" (and officiating, the heat, the cold, the sun in their goalie's eyes, the number of games Suzy had to play in a day, CPP, the field conditions, etc.).  Winners don't generally complain (except about the lack of good competition).
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Post by Cleansheets on 21/05/16, 08:28 am

Ha! you tell em Brian, good journalism btw.

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Post by jae on 21/05/16, 08:40 am

There is no question that the objective of soccer/football is to win. An important question for you to consider is "what should be the objective for your DD when playing soccer/football?" Do you simply want your DD to be on a winning team or do you want your DD to "develop" as a person and as a soccer/player? Do you care if your DD is told/taught to simply kick it "directly" to Mia up front and let her do her "thing" so that the team could win?

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Post by go99 on 21/05/16, 09:32 am

Well there it is Brianwilliams knows absolutely nothing. First we are talking about youth Soccer not pro. One the objective is to teach (and hopefully win) the other is a zero sum game of wins and losses. Second someone forgot to tell Barcelona, bayern, arsenal,Manchester united (Ferguson era) that possession teams don't score goals and win. Those teams routinely ran possession numbers in the 60's% possession and won alot. Oh and if possession is done along the back it means you can't play possession soccer. You have to posses it in the midfield. Oh and losing teams hear dont play possession the play a worse brand of kickball. And make no mistake it is kickball not direct soccer which involves intent not aimlessly kicking a ball forward for big or fast Susie to fight for
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Post by soccerjack on 21/05/16, 10:01 am

What does the fact that elite plays kickball have to do with the players getting a 25% discount? Or maybe one is the result of the other?
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Post by db10 on 21/05/16, 10:03 am

BrianWilliams wrote:I've seen kickball.  It does involve a ball about the size of a soccer ball.  But it also has bases and a pitcher.  Football as neither of these things.

There are 2 types of football - "possession" and "direct".  

Possession football is about kicking the ball around, generally on the defensive side of the field.  Many times, it involves aimless kicking (hopefully between players of the same team).  Players may be under no pressure and just kick the ball around - like you see in warmups.  Oftentimes, a game of football involving a "possession" team is about as exciting to watch as tennis.  When you hear of a team losing 8-0, their coach will probably be saying "but we had good possession".  Teams who play possession football generally don't score much - because kicking the ball away will likely lose possession.

Direct football is all about kicking the ball directly at the goal - what a concept!  Football does not award points for the most connected passes.  It awards points for . . . kicking the ball into the opponents net.  Many times, direct football involves aimless kicking of the ball . . . towards the net!  

When you hear a team has won 8-0, you will often hear the losing team complain "hey, they played kickball".  First, isn't the point of the game . . . to score more goals?  Second, claiming the other team played "kickball" makes you sound like ignorant Americans - it's called "direct football" (it's not called "hands" or "hand ball", it's called "handling"; not "offsides" but rather "offside"; and the name of the game is "football").  

Finally, show me a "possession" football team and I will show you a team that, not surprisingly, doesn't score many goals.  That team is usually also called the "losers".  They may be very good at ties - and parents happy with that are usually demanding participation trophies.  When they do score goals, it is usually a result of them lulling the other team to sleep with their endless passing.

So to recap - the objective in football is to score goals.  Teams that score more goals are winners.  They score goals from kicking the ball towards the net. Teams that score fewer goals are losers.  Losers complain about teams who score goals, aka "direct football" (and officiating, the heat, the cold, the sun in their goalie's eyes, the number of games Suzy had to play in a day, CPP, the field conditions, etc.).  Winners don't generally complain (except about the lack of good competition).

It's so nice to see a post from a Stoke supporter..

The difference between "direct" and "kickball" is the defender's ability to connect 45 yard passes. Please point out the 12 year old that can do this 80% of the time.

I thought the name of the game for a 12 year old is development so please tell me how a CM develops by watching a ball fly over her head?

You'll also find out the quality of the defender when pressure is applied. The girl that's being taught to possess the ball will have multiple options to avoid the pressure, the one being taught to kick it forward will either panic an spray those long passes around or simply kick it out.

I don't watch Elite much but we all know they have talented girls playing for them and from the games I have seen they apply a ton of pressure in the offensive zone which allows the defenders to push up and dump passes back into the box a lot of time. Is this kickball? is this direct? Or is it simply the defenders avoiding mistakes by getting rid of the ball quickly?

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Post by go99 on 21/05/16, 10:17 am

It's really a mix. Certainly elite is not the possession team it was but also not kickball. Its a mix of personnel change and a different soccer vision. Playing possession depends on 11 players capable of executing it. The more players who can't the worse you possession will becomes.
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Post by BrianWilliams on 21/05/16, 10:33 am

So to recap - the objective in football is to score goals.  Teams that score more goals are winners.  They score goals from kicking the ball towards the net. Teams that score fewer goals are losers.  Losers complain about teams who score goals, aka "direct football" (and officiating, the heat, the cold, the sun in their goalie's eyes, the number of games Suzy had to play in a day, CPP, the field conditions, etc.).  Winners don't generally complain (except about the lack of good competition).

go99 wrote:Well there it is Brianwilliams knows absolutely nothing. First we are talking about youth Soccer not pro. One the objective is to teach (and hopefully win) the other is a zero sum game of wins and losses. Second someone forgot to tell Barcelona, bayern, arsenal,Manchester united (Ferguson era) that possession teams don't score goals and win. Those teams routinely ran possession numbers in the 60's% possession and won alot. Oh and if possession is done along the back it means you can't play possession soccer. You have to posses it in the midfield. Oh and losing teams hear dont play possession the play a worse brand of kickball. And make no mistake it is kickball not direct soccer which involves intent not aimlessly kicking a ball forward for big or fast Susie to fight for

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Post by VultureVic on 21/05/16, 10:34 am

I heard feet was was offering a free year for the next five girls that walk thru the door.  lol!

Brian can you confirm this. I'm sure you know the truth.

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Post by 04Lurker on 21/05/16, 11:31 am

Lol @ BrianWilliams. Yes FCD snuck out a win & at this point I doubt elite gives 2 f's. Who cares if elite gets a discount, who cares what style of game they play. They are 12 year olds who dominated the crap out of the league for years & despite losing some games of late they are still pretty darn good. Exactly why we hate on them. 3/4 of the people dog'n on them would have jumped at the chance for their dd to be able to wear that RASE jersey.

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Post by BrianWilliams on 21/05/16, 11:38 am

04Lurker wrote:Lol @ BrianWilliams.  Yes FCD snuck out a win & at this point I doubt elite gives 2 f's.  Who cares if elite gets a discount, who cares what style of game they play.  They are 12 year olds who dominated the crap out of the league for years & despite losing some games of late they are still pretty darn good.  Exactly why we hate on them.  3/4 of the people dog'n on them would have jumped at the chance for their dd to be able to wear that RASE jersey.

Just da facts ma'am.
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Post by go99 on 21/05/16, 11:46 am

Yep elite lost but I thought kickball was supposed to win. So if they are now playing kickball why didn't they win?
So just da facts. You have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to soccer.

Btw it's 2 time league champ elite to you
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Post by Cleansheets on 21/05/16, 11:47 am

04Lurker wrote:Lol @ BrianWilliams.  Yes FCD snuck out a win & at this point I doubt elite gives 2 f's.  Who cares if elite gets a discount, who cares what style of game they play.  They are 12 year olds who dominated the crap out of the league for years & despite losing some games of late they are still pretty darn good.  Exactly why we hate on them.  3/4 of the people dog'n on them would have jumped at the chance for their dd to be able to wear that RASE jersey.

Again, got to love first time posters.

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Post by soccerjack on 21/05/16, 12:18 pm

I actually hope elite keeps on going and dominating. Would love to see them in the new make believe league beating the new "ecnl composite" teams that I'm sure will charge more because...well they have ecnl in their name.
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Post by SD69 on 21/05/16, 01:18 pm

Neither one of those teams are kickball teams. At this point FCD maybe a little more possession than LP and LP a little more aggressive but neither send it from their defensive third. And two largely possession style teams ended up in state cup finals.
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Post by RightWingDad on 21/05/16, 01:25 pm

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go99 wrote:Hmmm I prefer the term longball

Parents dig the longball...

Yes they do. "Send It!"
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