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Post by RightWingDad on 21/05/16, 01:25 pm

bwgophers wrote:
go99 wrote:Hmmm I prefer the term longball

Parents dig the longball...

Yes they do. "Send It!"

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Post by Shake_and_Bake on 21/05/16, 03:06 pm

RightWingDad wrote:
bwgophers wrote:
go99 wrote:Hmmm I prefer the term longball

Parents dig the longball...

Yes they do. "Send It!"

Let's put an end to the bootball/kickball/longball discussion, and let's get back to hating on LFS Elite. It is way more entertaining than trying to figure out who is "more of a possession team."

I gotta say though, posting a Liverpool recruiting communication is bushleague. What do you expect them to say....We have mediocre coaches, second rate facilities and our team is losing all their top talent; come join us!!
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Re: So at Liverpool "Elite" equals less costs???

Post by soccerjack on 21/05/16, 05:50 pm

Shake_and_Bake wrote:
RightWingDad wrote:
bwgophers wrote:
go99 wrote:Hmmm I prefer the term longball

Parents dig the longball...

Yes they do. "Send It!"

Let's put an end to the bootball/kickball/longball discussion, and let's get back to hating on LFS Elite.  It is way more entertaining than trying to figure out who is "more of a possession team."  

I gotta say though, posting a Liverpool recruiting communication is bushleague.  What do you expect them to say....We have mediocre coaches, second rate facilities and our team is losing all their top talent; come join us!!  

I think that pitch would work with a 50% discount.
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Post by Sho'Nuff on 21/05/16, 06:35 pm

LP should have just bought DeFeeters.

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Post by timmyh on 21/05/16, 06:38 pm

Gaining a discount on fees due to a player's quality (and not due to financial need) is a no-doubt-about-it NCAA violation.
While it is unlikely to happen, if the NCAA read this initial post about one of it's student athletes in the future, they would undoubtedly investigate and, if it was true, any player who accepted it would be disqualified.
I would tread VERY carefully before I jeapordized any future scholarship or college opportunities for my DD before I accepted money/discounts due to her skill level.

The $600 now isn't worth risking a $100,000 scholarship later.

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Post by Can_I_Kick_It? on 21/05/16, 06:56 pm

NCAA violation! They would need facts and not hear say. Yall need to quit! Colleges have been paying players in one way or another for years and guess what, it'll never stop! Who the hell cares! Just mind you and yours damnit!

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Post by soccerjack on 21/05/16, 06:58 pm

timmyh wrote:Gaining a discount on fees due to a player's quality (and not due to financial need) is a no-doubt-about-it NCAA violation.
While it is unlikely to happen, if the NCAA read this initial post about one of it's student athletes in the future, they would undoubtedly investigate and, if it was true, any player who accepted it would be disqualified.
I would tread VERY carefully before I jeapordized any future scholarship or college opportunities for my DD before I accepted money/discounts due to her skill level.

The $600 now isn't worth risking a $100,000 scholarship later.


Ohh plllease...a club offering an entire team a discount is their prerogative. This is a 12 yr old pay to play model. Comm..on man. You're obviously not an ncaa rules official. If the price were the same to play at all clubs...,wouldn't that be called collusion?
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Post by timmyh on 21/05/16, 07:04 pm

Can_I_Kick_It? wrote:NCAA violation! They would need facts and not hear say. Yall need to quit! Colleges have been paying players in one way or another for years and guess what, it'll never stop! Who the hell cares! Just mind you and yours damnit!

No doubt they would need proof. But if you know anything about the NCAA, it doen't require a court of law level of proof. Just a preponderance of evidence that a player recoeved compensation due to skill level. This coming to light would be unlikely, as it happens regularly. But players lose eligibility due to this EXACT situation all the time.
The person who posted this is a jerk and jeapordized the future of the kids on this team. Not cool. Tread carefully.

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Post by timmyh on 21/05/16, 07:10 pm

soccerjack wrote:
timmyh wrote:Gaining a discount on fees due to a player's quality (and not due to financial need) is a no-doubt-about-it NCAA violation.
While it is unlikely to happen, if the NCAA read this initial post about one of it's student athletes in the future, they would undoubtedly investigate and, if it was true, any player who accepted it would be disqualified.
I would tread VERY carefully before I jeapordized any future scholarship or college opportunities for my DD before I accepted money/discounts due to her skill level.

The $600 now isn't worth risking a $100,000 scholarship later.


Ohh plllease...a club offering an entire team a discount is their prerogative. This is a 12 yr old pay to play model.  Comm..on man. You're obviously not an ncaa rules official. If the price were the same to play at all clubs...,wouldn't that be called collusion?  

No, giving discounts to a subset of players over others due to skill level is, in the NCAA's eyes, paying them. Don't shoot the messenger. Read the NCAA rules.

This isn't because it is cheaper than another club, it is because they are getting a specific discount within the club for no reason other than the fact they are good. That is the key point. You can argue that these kids get a discount due to less expensive coaching or field use as compared to another team at the club, but we all know that probably isn't the case here. These kids get a discount because they are really good. That isn't illegal, but it would rule a girl ineligible to play in college if it was uncovered.

I am not interested in arguing and this will be my last post in this thread, just genuinely pointing out the truth of the situation.


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Re: So at Liverpool "Elite" equals less costs???

Post by soccerjack on 21/05/16, 07:14 pm

timmyh wrote:
Can_I_Kick_It? wrote:NCAA violation! They would need facts and not hear say. Yall need to quit! Colleges have been paying players in one way or another for years and guess what, it'll never stop! Who the hell cares! Just mind you and yours damnit!

No doubt they would need proof. But if you know anything about the NCAA, it doen't require a court of law level of proof. Just a preponderance of evidence that a player recoeved compensation due to skill level.  This coming to light would be unlikely, as it happens regularly.  But players lose eligibility due to this EXACT situation all the time.
The person who posted this is a jerk and jeapordized the future of the kids on this team. Not cool.  Tread carefully.

This is a joke. Kids are offered scholarships all the time to come play for a team.


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Re: So at Liverpool "Elite" equals less costs???

Post by timmyh on 21/05/16, 07:21 pm

soccerjack wrote:
timmyh wrote:
Can_I_Kick_It? wrote:NCAA violation! They would need facts and not hear say. Yall need to quit! Colleges have been paying players in one way or another for years and guess what, it'll never stop! Who the hell cares! Just mind you and yours damnit!

No doubt they would need proof. But if you know anything about the NCAA, it doen't require a court of law level of proof. Just a preponderance of evidence that a player recoeved compensation due to skill level.  This coming to light would be unlikely, as it happens regularly.  But players lose eligibility due to this EXACT situation all the time.
The person who posted this is a jerk and jeapordized the future of the kids on this team. Not cool.  Tread carefully.

This is a joke. Kids are offered scholarships all the time to come play for a team.

Yep. It happens all the time. Always very quietly because, unless it is financial need based, it would rule a kid ineligible to play in college.  That's why the OP is a jerk. It is unlikely every player on this team qualifies for financial needs, but are instead given $660 plus five tournament fees paid for and a free kit that isn't given to all other players at the club, solely because they are pretty good at soccer.
Again, not illegal, but it would ruin any college eligibility if it came to the NCAA's attention.
NCAA rules are stupid, but they are what they are.

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Post by Cleansheets on 21/05/16, 08:04 pm

Can_I_Kick_It? wrote:NCAA violation! They would need facts and not hear say. Yall need to quit! Colleges have been paying players in one way or another for years and guess what, it'll never stop! Who the hell cares! Just mind you and yours damnit!

Not at Notre Dame...cuz you know that's GODs' team. cheers

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Post by kick_tha_ball on 21/05/16, 08:33 pm

timmyh wrote:
soccerjack wrote:
timmyh wrote:Gaining a discount on fees due to a player's quality (and not due to financial need) is a no-doubt-about-it NCAA violation.
While it is unlikely to happen, if the NCAA read this initial post about one of it's student athletes in the future, they would undoubtedly investigate and, if it was true, any player who accepted it would be disqualified.
I would tread VERY carefully before I jeapordized any future scholarship or college opportunities for my DD before I accepted money/discounts due to her skill level.

The $600 now isn't worth risking a $100,000 scholarship later.


Ohh plllease...a club offering an entire team a discount is their prerogative. This is a 12 yr old pay to play model.  Comm..on man. You're obviously not an ncaa rules official. If the price were the same to play at all clubs...,wouldn't that be called collusion?  

No, giving discounts to a subset of players over others due to skill level is, in the NCAA's eyes, paying them. Don't shoot the messenger. Read the NCAA rules.

This isn't because it is cheaper than another club, it is because they are getting a specific discount within the club for no reason other than the fact they are good. That is the key point. You can argue that these kids get a discount due to less expensive coaching or field use as compared to another team at the club, but we all know that probably isn't the case here. These kids get a discount because they are really good. That isn't illegal, but it would rule a girl ineligible to play in college if it was uncovered.

I am not interested in arguing and this will be my last post in this thread, just genuinely pointing out the truth of the situation.

So your saying that no kid on Coach K's "college" roster never got anything discounted or free when he was 12yrs old. The NCAA ain't looking into what "benefits" a 12yr old soccer player is getting. If they were college athletics would be dead.
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Re: So at Liverpool "Elite" equals less costs???

Post by go99 on 21/05/16, 08:35 pm

Okay I'm not buying the entire AAU basketball system is based on top kids getting scholarshiped, equipment for free, travel expenses covered and often covered by companies like nike and they still play college. Our NCAA rules official sounds fishy. Either not a full understanding of the rules or just trying to stir something up that isn't there. Could you please post the specific rule you are referring too?
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Post by go99 on 21/05/16, 08:39 pm

Oh and outside of Texas there are travel teams that are funded because they are good. Now maybe if Liverpool was to provide direct compensation to the players you could have something. Fcd academy players have cost covered other fcd players do not. This is not new and the amount isnt even close to the other amounts
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Post by RightWingDad on 21/05/16, 09:00 pm

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The $600 now isn't worth risking a $100,000 scholarship later.

Not trying to "stir the pot", but how many girls do you know of getting $100K scholarships to play in college?

http://www.scholarshipstats.com/soccer.html
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Post by soccerjack on 21/05/16, 09:18 pm

Cleansheets wrote:
Can_I_Kick_It? wrote:NCAA violation! They would need facts and not hear say. Yall need to quit! Colleges have been paying players in one way or another for years and guess what, it'll never stop! Who the hell cares! Just mind you and yours damnit!

Not at Notre Dame...cuz you know that's GODs' team. cheers

It's the Jesuits that do the dirty work for gods team.
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Post by Dec2020 on 21/05/16, 09:55 pm

Could be wrong but Notre Dame isn't a Jesuit university. Love when our topics get a little off track Lol

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Post by Cleansheets on 21/05/16, 10:42 pm

soccerjack wrote:
Cleansheets wrote:
Can_I_Kick_It? wrote:NCAA violation! They would need facts and not hear say. Yall need to quit! Colleges have been paying players in one way or another for years and guess what, it'll never stop! Who the hell cares! Just mind you and yours damnit!

Not at Notre Dame...cuz you know that's GODs' team. cheers

It's the Jesuits that do the dirty work for gods team.

It was an albino and the dwarf...wait, oh sorry that was from an old Chevy Chase movie. I think this thread has run out of steam and jumped the tracks.

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Post by ElClassico on 22/05/16, 03:06 am

1. NCAA doesn't look at anything before 9th grade.
2. NCAA is interested in high school athletes getting money from institutions that are recruiting them or an outside agent or booster
3. Student athletes can receive scholarships as long as they don't exceed the value of the cost to play.

So yes LP can discount and call it a scholarship as long as little Suzy isn't pocketing cash from it.

And no Notre Dame is not a Jesuit University, it's a Catholic university run by the Congregation of the Holy Cross
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Post by go99 on 22/05/16, 06:57 am

So I guess those $1,000,000 scholarships are safe
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Post by ElClassico on 22/05/16, 09:53 am

go99 wrote:So I guess those $1,000,000 scholarships are safe

Well there is still the issue of the magic headbands
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Post by soccerjack on 22/05/16, 10:02 am

ElClassico wrote:
go99 wrote:So I guess those $1,000,000 scholarships are safe

Well there is still the issue of the magic headbands

Omg. It was a bad joke that didn't work. I know nd is not Jesuit. Get back to worrying about 12 yr Suzie breaking ncaa rules.
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Post by go99 on 22/05/16, 10:39 am

Well the headbands are Jesuit so its okay with the NCAA rules
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Post by soccerjack on 22/05/16, 11:19 am

go99 wrote:Well the headbands are Jesuit so its okay with the NCAA rules

Lp elite. The popes favorite team.
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