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Re: Vegas Cup Results

Post by soccerjack on 20/01/17, 10:47 pm

Zizou wrote:Isn't JDL run by LHGCL?

That would be a great point if it made any sense or had any thing to do with this discussion.

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Re: Vegas Cup Results

Post by Zizou on 20/01/17, 10:47 pm

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Post by Zizou on 20/01/17, 10:48 pm

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Re: Vegas Cup Results

Post by Zizou on 20/01/17, 10:50 pm

soccerjack wrote:
Zizou wrote:Isn't JDL run by LHGCL?

That would be a great point if it made any sense or had any thing to do with this discussion.

Ummmmm, I think it was a question.

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Post by KeeperCommander on 20/01/17, 10:53 pm

Zizou wrote:Sorry, I really don't think they care. Baaaaaa.
Sorry that didn't make any sense

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Re: Vegas Cup Results

Post by 5050Ball on 20/01/17, 11:13 pm

KeeperCommander wrote:
Zizou wrote:Isn't JDL run by LHGCL?
No the JDL is run by the big 4 so they can make their own rules up.

Which rules would those be?
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Re: Vegas Cup Results

Post by ForReal on 20/01/17, 11:21 pm

SWINGIT!! wrote:
ForReal wrote:
SWINGIT!! wrote:
Zizou wrote:I don't think the team doing just fine or not was in question.
What would be the point of joining the league then?

So you could play DTS, FCD Red, etc. teams more often and the Pre-ECNL events.
FCD should just play LH.

If you believe playing LH 11-20 instead of the JDL teams twice is improving your team, then so be it. There's no convincing you that JDL would have been better for Kicks.

It's not that JDL is a better "league" per se. It's just where the bulk of the best teams are week in and week out. Kicks had a chance and turned it down for reasons I'll never understand.

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Post by Big Ern on 21/01/17, 01:27 am

Zizou wrote:Isn't JDL run by LHGCL?

^ Yes. Created and run by LHGCL.

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Re: Vegas Cup Results

Post by PLAY2FEET!! on 21/01/17, 06:38 am

ForReal wrote:
SWINGIT!! wrote:
ForReal wrote:
SWINGIT!! wrote:
Zizou wrote:I don't think the team doing just fine or not was in question.
What would be the point of joining the league then?

So you could play DTS, FCD Red, etc. teams more often and the Pre-ECNL events.
FCD should just play LH.

If you believe playing LH 11-20 instead of the JDL teams twice is improving your team, then so be it. There's no convincing you that JDL would have been better for Kicks.

It's not that JDL is a better "league" per se.  It's just where the bulk of the best teams are week in and week out. Kicks had a chance and turned it down for reasons I'll never understand.

I never said teams 11-20. Teams 1-10..perhaps. It's common knowledge that the 1st year of LH Supergroup, there is way too much disparity between the top and the bottom. Always has been. That's one of LH own internal issues that may ultimately lead to it's demise. But I digress.
JDL- DTS, FCD Red, Solar
LH - DTS, Kicks, Sting West, LP Elite
Where is this bulk you speak of? I'm not seeing it in either league.
It seems to me what would have been better for NTX soccer, would be for the best teams to play each other week in and week out. Regardless of club affiliation. But we're well beyond that happening.

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Re: Vegas Cup Results

Post by SickofStupidity on 21/01/17, 07:53 am

BigErn wrote:
Zizou wrote:Isn't JDL run by LHGCL?

^ Yes.  Created and run by LHGCL.

Don't try and run and hide behind the skirts of LHGCL now, bigE.

Sure, the schedule may be "created" and the website may be "run" by them.

But the RULES (and exclusivity) were set by the big4.

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Re: Vegas Cup Results

Post by SickofStupidity on 21/01/17, 07:55 am

SWINGIT!! wrote:
ForReal wrote:
SWINGIT!! wrote:
ForReal wrote:
SWINGIT!! wrote:
Zizou wrote:I don't think the team doing just fine or not was in question.
What would be the point of joining the league then?

So you could play DTS, FCD Red, etc. teams more often and the Pre-ECNL events.
FCD should just play LH.

If you believe playing LH 11-20 instead of the JDL teams twice is improving your team, then so be it. There's no convincing you that JDL would have been better for Kicks.

It's not that JDL is a better "league" per se.  It's just where the bulk of the best teams are week in and week out. Kicks had a chance and turned it down for reasons I'll never understand.

I never said teams 11-20. Teams 1-10..perhaps. It's common knowledge that the 1st year of LH Supergroup, there is way too much disparity between the top and the bottom. Always has been. That's one of LH own internal issues that may ultimately lead to it's demise. But I digress.
JDL- DTS, FCD Red, Solar
LH - DTS, Kicks, Sting West, LP Elite
Where is this bulk you speak of? I'm not seeing it in either league.
It seems to me what would have been better for NTX soccer, would be for the best teams to play each other week in and week out. Regardless of club affiliation. But we're well beyond that happening.

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Re: Vegas Cup Results

Post by ForReal on 21/01/17, 08:40 am

SWINGIT!! wrote:
Where is this bulk you speak of? I'm not seeing it in either league.
It seems to me what would have been better for NTX soccer, would be for the best teams to play each other week in and week out. Regardless of club affiliation. But we're well beyond that happening.

You're right, we are beyond that happenning and Kicks passed up the opportunity.

As for the competiveness of JDL, trust me, you wouldn't be averaging 6 GFs in JDL.  DTS isn't even close to doing that.

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Post by KeeperCommander on 21/01/17, 08:49 am

5050Ball wrote:
KeeperCommander wrote:
Zizou wrote:Isn't JDL run by LHGCL?
No the JDL is run by the big 4 so they can make their own rules up.

Which rules would those be?
Ah..... all of them

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Re: Vegas Cup Results

Post by KeeperCommander on 21/01/17, 09:05 am

ForReal wrote:
SWINGIT!! wrote:
ForReal wrote:
SWINGIT!! wrote:
Zizou wrote:I don't think the team doing just fine or not was in question.
What would be the point of joining the league then?

So you could play DTS, FCD Red, etc. teams more often and the Pre-ECNL events.
FCD should just play LH.

If you believe playing LH 11-20 instead of the JDL teams twice is improving your team, then so be it. There's no convincing you that JDL would have been better for Kicks.

It's not that JDL is a better "league" per se.  It's just where the bulk of the best teams are week in and week out. Kicks had a chance and turned it down for reasons I'll never understand.
That is an absurd statement that makes you seem ignorant. No one believes such nonsense. It just happened to be who is in the division. Playing those teams (11-20) certainly do not help, but do they truly actually hurt. Swing makes a great point that there are some good teams in LH. With some teams playing FCD Red and DTS several times a year anyway, what would be the incentive to join a league to play them a couple more. Certainty not to play the likes of bottom dweller Sting Higgy or Sting Parsons. Makes more sense to try and attend tournaments that would include other top talent from across the country, if your team was inclined to travel. There will always be bottom teams in every league. It's called mathematics.

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Post by Zizou on 21/01/17, 09:11 am

SickofSilliness wrote:
BigErn wrote:
Zizou wrote:Isn't JDL run by LHGCL?

^ Yes.  Created and run by LHGCL.

Don't try and run and hide behind the skirts of LHGCL now, bigE.

Sure, the schedule may be "created" and the website may be "run" by them.

But the RULES (and exclusivity) were set by the big4.[/


Alright, let's get back to the original point. Kicks with their so called collaboration with the big green gave them an opportunity to participate in JDL.

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Post by soccerjack on 21/01/17, 09:17 am

ForReal wrote:
SWINGIT!! wrote:
Where is this bulk you speak of? I'm not seeing it in either league.
It seems to me what would have been better for NTX soccer, would be for the best teams to play each other week in and week out. Regardless of club affiliation. But we're well beyond that happening.

You're right, we are beyond that happenning and Kicks passed up the opportunity.

As for the competiveness of JDL, trust me, you wouldn't be averaging 6 GFs in JDL.  DTS isn't even close to doing that.

I heard they have been avg 7 gf in jdl.
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Post by KeeperCommander on 21/01/17, 09:18 am

Zizou wrote:
SickofSilliness wrote:
BigErn wrote:
Zizou wrote:Isn't JDL run by LHGCL?

^ Yes.  Created and run by LHGCL.

Don't try and run and hide behind the skirts of LHGCL now, bigE.

Sure, the schedule may be "created" and the website may be "run" by them.

But the RULES (and exclusivity) were set by the big4.[/


Alright, let's get back to the original point. Kicks with their so called collaboration with the big green gave them an opportunity to participate in JDL.

Pay attention to the posts Ziz. The big 4 had a huge part in all the rules that were associated with the JDL. Including the teams that had access to JDL.

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Post by KeeperCommander on 21/01/17, 09:22 am

soccerjack wrote:
ForReal wrote:
SWINGIT!! wrote:
Where is this bulk you speak of? I'm not seeing it in either league.
It seems to me what would have been better for NTX soccer, would be for the best teams to play each other week in and week out. Regardless of club affiliation. But we're well beyond that happening.

You're right, we are beyond that happenning and Kicks passed up the opportunity.

As for the competiveness of JDL, trust me, you wouldn't be averaging 6 GFs in JDL.  DTS isn't even close to doing that.

I heard they have been avg 7 gf in jdl.
You have DTS, FCD Red, Solar Pulp and Colvin. The rest are like mid level LH teams.  Plus DTS does not seem to play the top players against the spares.  I doubt it's 7 against the bigs but it seems logical against the others.


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Re: Vegas Cup Results

Post by ForReal on 21/01/17, 09:24 am

KeeperCommander wrote:
ForReal wrote:
SWINGIT!! wrote:
ForReal wrote:
SWINGIT!! wrote:
Zizou wrote:I don't think the team doing just fine or not was in question.
What would be the point of joining the league then?

So you could play DTS, FCD Red, etc. teams more often and the Pre-ECNL events.
FCD should just play LH.

If you believe playing LH 11-20 instead of the JDL teams twice is improving your team, then so be it. There's no convincing you that JDL would have been better for Kicks.

It's not that JDL is a better "league" per se.  It's just where the bulk of the best teams are week in and week out. Kicks had a chance and turned it down for reasons I'll never understand.
That is an absurd statement that makes you seem ignorant.  No one believes such nonsense. It just happened to be who is in the division.  Playing those teams (11-20) certainly do not help, but do they truly actually hurt.  Swing makes a great point that there are some good teams in LH. With some teams playing FCD Red and DTS several times a year anyway, what would be the incentive to join a league to play them a couple more.  Certainty not to play the likes of bottom dweller Sting Higgy or Sting Parsons.  Makes more sense to try and attend tournaments that would include other top talent from across the country, if your team was inclined to travel.  There will always be bottom teams in every league.  It's called mathematics.

Well, I do.  I bet quite a few others do as well.  And, this is where you and I always get in our back and forths.  You make a statement with no data to support and I disagree and provide data (i.e., the GFs comparison of DTS in JDL and LH for instance).

And I never said there weren't good teams in LH.  There are two-three great teams in LH and some good teams.  There just aren't as many good teams in LH and then there are several who don't make the good/great teams better for playing them.

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Re: Vegas Cup Results

Post by Zizou on 21/01/17, 09:26 am

KeeperCommander wrote:
Zizou wrote:
SickofSilliness wrote:
BigErn wrote:
Zizou wrote:Isn't JDL run by LHGCL?

^ Yes.  Created and run by LHGCL.

Don't try and run and hide behind the skirts of LHGCL now, bigE.

Sure, the schedule may be "created" and the website may be "run" by them.

But the RULES (and exclusivity) were set by the big4.[/


Alright, let's get back to the original point. Kicks with their so called collaboration with the big green gave them an opportunity to participate in JDL.

Pay attention to the posts Ziz. The big 4 had a huge part in all the rules that were associated with the JDL.  Including the teams that had access to JDL.


I know what is said on the internet had to be the truth, but truth or not kicks had a way in

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Post by KeeperCommander on 21/01/17, 09:35 am

Zizou wrote:
KeeperCommander wrote:
Zizou wrote:
SickofSilliness wrote:
BigErn wrote:
Zizou wrote:Isn't JDL run by LHGCL?

^ Yes.  Created and run by LHGCL.

Don't try and run and hide behind the skirts of LHGCL now, bigE.

Sure, the schedule may be "created" and the website may be "run" by them.

But the RULES (and exclusivity) were set by the big4.[/


Alright, let's get back to the original point. Kicks with their so called collaboration with the big green gave them an opportunity to participate in JDL.

Pay attention to the posts Ziz. The big 4 had a huge part in all the rules that were associated with the JDL.  Including the teams that had access to JDL.


I know what is said on the internet had to be the truth, but truth or not kicks had a way in
Doors open all the time, from what I heard it was who closed them that is bigger news.

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Post by Zizou on 21/01/17, 09:45 am

Same doors the last 5 years for club selections into these leagues. ECNL and DA. Surely those doors were not shut from the big four. That would mean USYSA and US Soccer are just puppets to be played by the big four.

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Post by KeeperCommander on 21/01/17, 09:48 am

ForReal wrote:
KeeperCommander wrote:
ForReal wrote:
SWINGIT!! wrote:
ForReal wrote:
SWINGIT!! wrote:
What would be the point of joining the league then?

So you could play DTS, FCD Red, etc. teams more often and the Pre-ECNL events.
FCD should just play LH.

If you believe playing LH 11-20 instead of the JDL teams twice is improving your team, then so be it. There's no convincing you that JDL would have been better for Kicks.

It's not that JDL is a better "league" per se.  It's just where the bulk of the best teams are week in and week out. Kicks had a chance and turned it down for reasons I'll never understand.
That is an absurd statement that makes you seem ignorant.  No one believes such nonsense. It just happened to be who is in the division.  Playing those teams (11-20) certainly do not help, but do they truly actually hurt.  Swing makes a great point that there are some good teams in LH. With some teams playing FCD Red and DTS several times a year anyway, what would be the incentive to join a league to play them a couple more.  Certainty not to play the likes of bottom dweller Sting Higgy or Sting Parsons.  Makes more sense to try and attend tournaments that would include other top talent from across the country, if your team was inclined to travel.  There will always be bottom teams in every league.  It's called mathematics.

Well, I do.  I bet quite a few others do as well.  And, this is where you and I always get in our back and forths.  You make a statement with no data to support and I disagree and provide data (i.e., the GFs comparison of DTS in JDL and LH for instance).

And I never said there weren't good teams in LH.  There are two-three great teams in LH and some good teams.  There just aren't as many good teams in LH and then there are several who don't make the good/great teams better for playing them.
And I also said there were not great teams in JDL. Certainly JDL has the higher percentage of great teams in there are only 8 and half are def considered great. Instead of 3 great out of 20 like you point out. There is really no arguing stats. 3 compared to 4. Not a huge difference though. Compare the others and they are the same as mid level LH is all I am saying.

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Post by KeeperCommander on 21/01/17, 09:49 am

Zizou wrote:Same doors the last 5 years for club selections into these leagues. ECNL and DA. Surely those doors were not shut from the big four. That would mean USYSA and US Soccer are just puppets to be played by the big four.
That's a different subject. Stay on task.

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Post by 4-4-2 on 21/01/17, 10:04 am

Congratulations to NTX teams. But don't be fooled by the results.  Watched several 05 and 06 NTX teams past weekend at Vegas. We play too direct and value athletes over soccer athletes. This style clearly works now but won't in a couple of years from now.  Are we going to be competitive in 2-3 years from now against same teams. My answer is "yes". Are we going to be dominating in next 2-3 years.  My answer is "No".  We will struggle unless we recognize and fix that we have a major problem.  
I was impressed by a few SoCal teams, East Coast teams that find feet , stringed more passes and were trying to building combination plays.  They are not as fast and big right now.


PowerKick wrote:Congratulations to all teams in Vegas to represent NTX the past weekend. It was really impressive.

However as a parent, I'd like to ask why NTX teams seems not continue their domination into older ages, such as U14, U15, U16 and U17, which are very important college recruit.

Really appreciate for any suggestion, need some serious inputs so I can guide my dd over the next few years.

Congratulations to above teams again.

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Post by KeeperCommander on 21/01/17, 10:18 am

4-4-2 wrote:Congratulations to NTX teams. But don't be fooled by the results.  Watched several 05 and 06 NTX teams past weekend at Vegas. We play too direct and value athletes over soccer athletes. This style clearly works now but won't in a couple of years from now.  Are we going to be competitive in 2-3 years from now against same teams. My answer is "yes". Are we going to be dominating in next 2-3 years.  My answer is "No".  We will struggle unless we recognize and fix that we have a major problem.  
I was impressed by a few SoCal teams, East Coast teams that find feet , stringed more passes and were trying to building combination plays.  They are not as fast and big right now.  


PowerKick wrote:Congratulations to all teams in Vegas to represent NTX the past weekend. It was really impressive.

However as a parent, I'd like to ask why NTX teams seems not continue their domination into older ages, such as U14, U15, U16 and U17, which are very important college recruit.

Really appreciate for any suggestion, need some serious inputs so I can guide my dd over the next few years.

Congratulations to above teams again.
Some of the biggest teams out there were So Cal teams!

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