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Re: Congrats to the ODP Participants who earned spots

Post by Big Boy Bentley on 16/03/17, 03:57 pm

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Post by Zizou on 16/03/17, 05:20 pm

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Post by Guest on 16/03/17, 06:17 pm

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Post by HomeStretch on 16/03/17, 10:43 pm

Zizou wrote:My DD have gone through the program. She has experienced zero advantage in the recruiting process from being a part of ODP.
My DD also went through the program. ODP absolutely helped in the recruiting process. First offer from a power 5 came from a program that first started tracking her after seeing her at ODP regionals. ODP coaches encouraged her to play positions club coach said she wasn't good enough to play. Years later, ODP coaches ended up right. Many college coaches have current or former odp coaching experience.

It may be dead in TX, but its not dead at regional and national levels. Hopefully NTX gets ODP costs and politics under control.

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Post by Zizou on 16/03/17, 10:53 pm

How many girls from NTX ODP are making it onto the regional squad. None, maybe one, if we are lucky two. DD made it into the regional pool. Was able to train in the night sessions and played in the end of camp pool games. She is in the process of being recruited as we speak. I would say about 10 d-1 colleges we have been in contact with and about 5 of them she is considering. None have asked about her ODP experience.

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Post by kick_tha_ball on 17/03/17, 04:22 am

Zizou wrote:How many girls from NTX ODP are making it onto the regional squad. None, maybe one, if we are lucky two. DD made it into the regional pool. Was able to train in the night sessions and played in the end of camp pool games. She is in the process of being recruited as we speak. I would say about 10 d-1 colleges we have been in contact with and about 5 of them she is considering. None have asked about her ODP experience.

But would those 10 D-1 coaches have even seen her with being in the regional pool? Were they all out at UTD watching her play or at those private training sessions that you're overpaying for? If you take ODP for what it is, a few extra touches, hearing a different voice and eventually getting your DD a few opportunities to be seen, then you're getting your money's worth.
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Post by HomeStretch on 17/03/17, 05:57 am

The better programs are not going to offer $$ until they have seen a player multiple times. Making ODP regional in early years just adds a check mark on the players resume and can get them on a tracking list for some schools. NTX used to regularly put players on odp regional and national events. In recent years some clubs actively discourage (or punish) odp players. The net is regional coaches now believe NTX is no longer sending their strongest players to odp....increasingly this is true.

Kick tha ball is right, the extra coaching voices, touches and experience is about all one should go in expecting. Zizou is also right in that a scholarship level player does not need odp to be recruited. But go look at the roster bios on most college soccer sites and see how many still mention odp participation. It's still a common element in the pedigree of most players at that level.

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Post by Lefty on 17/03/17, 06:57 am

"The better programs are not going to offer $$  until they have seen a player multiple times. Making ODP regional in early years just adds a check mark on the players resume and can get them on a tracking list for some schools. NTX used to regularly put players on odp regional and national events. In recent years some clubs  actively discourage (or punish) odp players. The net is regional coaches now believe NTX is no longer sending their strongest players to odp....increasingly this is true.

Kick tha ball is right, the extra coaching voices, touches and experience is about all one should go in expecting. Zizou is also right in that a scholarship level player does not need odp to be recruited. But go look at the  roster bios on most college soccer sites and see how many still mention odp participation. It's still a common element in the pedigree of most players at that level."

Quickly becoming a relic of the past.  

May be true for a few seniors graduating from college this year, even less among the juniors and virtually non-existent among the rest and the incoming class of 2017 HS graduates.

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Post by kick_tha_ball on 17/03/17, 07:50 am

[quote="Lefty"]"The better programs are not going to offer $$  until they have seen a player multiple times. Making ODP regional in early years just adds a check mark on the players resume and can get them on a tracking list for some schools. NTX used to regularly put players on odp regional and national events. In recent years some clubs  actively discourage (or punish) odp players. The net is regional coaches now believe NTX is no longer sending their strongest players to odp....increasingly this is true.

Kick tha ball is right, the extra coaching voices, touches and experience is about all one should go in expecting. Zizou is also right in that a scholarship level player does not need odp to be recruited. But go look at the  roster bios on most college soccer sites and see how many still mention odp participation. It's still a common element in the pedigree of most players at that level."

Quickly becoming a relic of the past.  

May be true for a few seniors graduating from college this year, even less among the juniors and virtually non-existent among the rest and the incoming class of 2017 HS graduates.[/quote

Sure DDs and parents will have to put in some "marketing efforts" (going to camps, playing in showcases, sending out letters) on their own. But the the bottom line is, if the player is good enough, college coaches and recruiters will find them. Just like in all other sports. If it's the DDS choice, NOT THE PARENT, to play a little college soccer and most importantly, get a college degree, does it matter where the offers come from. Professionals from every aspect of life come from all levels of colleges.
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Post by Big Ern on 17/03/17, 07:58 am

Lefty wrote:"The better programs are not going to offer $$  until they have seen a player multiple times. Making ODP regional in early years just adds a check mark on the players resume and can get them on a tracking list for some schools. NTX used to regularly put players on odp regional and national events. In recent years some clubs  actively discourage (or punish) odp players. The net is regional coaches now believe NTX is no longer sending their strongest players to odp....increasingly this is true.

Kick tha ball is right, the extra coaching voices, touches and experience is about all one should go in expecting. Zizou is also right in that a scholarship level player does not need odp to be recruited. But go look at the  roster bios on most college soccer sites and see how many still mention odp participation. It's still a common element in the pedigree of most players at that level."

Quickly becoming a relic of the past.  

May be true for a few seniors graduating from college this year, even less among the juniors and virtually non-existent among the rest and the incoming class of 2017 HS graduates.

No doubt Lefty ... this has become a sad truth in NTX.

And with the sub par carousel of coaches NTX ODP is now running through + the addition of Girl's USSDA to the landscape, it will not be recovering anytime soon.

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Post by Zizou on 17/03/17, 08:22 am

my suggestion would be to do it for the fist two years, if you are on the top team by year two. Experience a regional camp and get out.

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Post by Zizou on 17/03/17, 08:25 am

The only part that was fun were the ODP tournaments. But you can guarantee every time one would come up their would be a ECNL conflict.

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Post by HomeStretch on 17/03/17, 10:11 am

Zizou wrote:my suggestion would be to do it for the fist two years, if you are on the top team by year two. Experience a regional camp and get out.

Agree with this.  But it's not a relic yet.

This sheet is not as well updated as it used to be, but you can click on the by club worksheet and see there are still quite a few players listing ODP in their accolades. In my DD's class, just about all the players I see committing early participated in ODP at some point in their past. They are younger than 2017s.


https://sites.google.com/site/soccerrecruits/

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Post by Lefty on 17/03/17, 11:31 am

HomeStretch wrote:
Zizou wrote:my suggestion would be to do it for the fist two years, if you are on the top team by year two. Experience a regional camp and get out.

Agree with this.  But it's not a relic yet.

This sheet is not as well updated as it used to be, but you can click on the by club worksheet and see there are still quite a few players listing ODP in their accolades. In my DD's class, just about all the players I see committing early participated in ODP at some point in their past. They are younger than 2017s.


https://sites.google.com/site/soccerrecruits/

Don't see it among the players from the big 5 clubs in NTX.

Now if you and your DD were to move to a geography where there is no ECNL, and there will not be DA, then I would agree that is not the relic that it is in NTX.

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Post by HomeStretch on 17/03/17, 05:38 pm

ECNL doesn't start until u14....DA wont initially start at the younger age groups either. If parents can afford it, players have nothing to lose doing first few years of ODP. Strongest odp regions are reg 4...west coast and reg 2...midwest...both have plenty of ECNL clubs. NTX has disproportionately allowed odp to fall off the map...even other reg 3 like GA and FL are still solid. Seems like its mostly follow the leader mentality with the herd taking its direction from a few naysayers.

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Post by Big Boy Bentley on 05/05/17, 08:44 am

It's cheap training and looks good on the resume why not Zizou? Why would you not pay for $15 training sessions w a legit pooled community of players across NTX we plan on staying w it regardless if we play or not...it's extra touches and training Zizou..there's alot of your JDL ECNL players when they can make practices. Some kids travel 5 hours to practice they obviously find value...it's too bad your kid isn't there....
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Post by Zizou on 05/05/17, 09:00 am

Oh, BBB if you only knew. Been their done that.

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Post by Big Boy Bentley on 05/05/17, 09:07 am

You don't make any sense Zizou go talk on the 03 04 05 etx forums.you bring no credibility to this thread...you preach development and you contradict yourself....your chronies are on those threads....

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Post by Zizou on 05/05/17, 09:12 am

Dude, my DD spent 5 years in the ODP program. Oklahoma, and three years with the top team in Alabama and two regional pool selections and multiple night sessions and games. Yes ODP is cheap, but the regional camps are not. The training sessions blah, you would be better off picking up a skills trainer. Not one coach recruiting my DD at this time has made any mention of her time with ODP. Sorry

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Post by Big Boy Bentley on 05/05/17, 09:16 am

Go talk to your chronies on the other age groups Zizou I'm tired of you talking down on good development for a reasonable price...it's ok to spend 600 700 bucks to fly to a tournament but not ok for a pooled regional camp cmon dude wake up and talk.some sense buddy.

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Post by Zizou on 05/05/17, 09:35 am

Lol,

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How many posts have you made today on the Forum what's your count? Is your salary based on the amount of posts or hourly we would like to know Zizou.
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