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Re: A good game to see

Post by 5050Ball on 26/02/17, 08:29 am

BigErn wrote:
Cam203030 wrote:JDL  was a big joke  can't wait to see what DA  is all about so what it's looking like it's going to be all about DA ECNL LHGCL won't be that good

^ Holy Lord.

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Re: A good game to see

Post by Cleansheets on 26/02/17, 08:57 am

BigErn wrote:
Cam203030 wrote:JDL  was a big joke  can't wait to see what DA  is all about so what it's looking like it's going to be all about DA ECNL LHGCL won't be that good

^ Holy Lord.

While this stuff can be entertaining, it'd be nice if txsoccer.net utilized some kind of screening service -
Ummm...95% of this forum would be gone.

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Re: A good game to see

Post by KeeperCommander on 26/02/17, 09:48 am

Cleansheets wrote:
BigErn wrote:
Cam203030 wrote:JDL  was a big joke  can't wait to see what DA  is all about so what it's looking like it's going to be all about DA ECNL LHGCL won't be that good

^ Holy Lord.

While this stuff can be entertaining, it'd be nice if txsoccer.net utilized some kind of screening service -
Ummm...95% of this forum would be gone.
I would prob be part of that 95%.
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Re: A good game to see

Post by Foxysoccermom on 26/02/17, 12:42 pm

AngelinaGoalee wrote:speaking of luck, DTS will be lucky if those 2 encl girls dont have a scheduling conflict! otherwise Rush will be a two year league champ!

Big E is correct...there should be some sort of punishment for people that don't take this board seriously. First time offenders should be forced to read all of E's jdl posts to start....followed by more progressive punishment for each infraction.

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Re: A good game to see

Post by TatonkaBurger on 27/02/17, 03:27 pm

BigErn wrote:
Cam203030 wrote:JDL  was a big joke  can't wait to see what DA  is all about so what it's looking like it's going to be all about DA ECNL LHGCL won't be that good

^ Holy Lord.

While this stuff can be entertaining, it'd be nice if txsoccer.net utilized some kind of screening service -

What are you oh lording?  That JDL wasnt a joke or the rest of it (that doesnt make a lot of sense to me) but questions whether the leagues will be any good?
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Re: A good game to see

Post by BigErn on 27/02/17, 04:15 pm

TatonkaBurger wrote:
BigErn wrote:
Cam203030 wrote:JDL  was a big joke  can't wait to see what DA  is all about so what it's looking like it's going to be all about DA ECNL LHGCL won't be that good

^ Holy Lord.

While this stuff can be entertaining, it'd be nice if txsoccer.net utilized some kind of screening service -

What are you oh lording?  That JDL wasnt a joke or the rest of it (that doesnt make a lot of sense to me) but questions whether the leagues will be any good?

All of it TBurger --

Outside of the general absurdity of this one, posts like this make me wonder ...

How many local leagues weren't considered a joke by most in their first year of existence?

and

How many of the JDL detractors have kids that play on the teams for the coaches that actually benefit from the league?

While I've been painted as a "blowhard", as I've mentioned before, I have no stake in the JDL ... Neither a fan nor a hater, and couldn't care any less if it succeeds or not. My kid is one and done there --

I just occasionally add clarity when it is called for.

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Re: A good game to see

Post by Foxysoccermom on 27/02/17, 08:34 pm

Ohhhhh....lawwwwwd! You so crazy big E!

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Re: A good game to see

Post by TatonkaBurger on 28/02/17, 08:33 am

BigErn wrote:
TatonkaBurger wrote:
BigErn wrote:
Cam203030 wrote:JDL  was a big joke  can't wait to see what DA  is all about so what it's looking like it's going to be all about DA ECNL LHGCL won't be that good

^ Holy Lord.

While this stuff can be entertaining, it'd be nice if txsoccer.net utilized some kind of screening service -

What are you oh lording?  That JDL wasnt a joke or the rest of it (that doesnt make a lot of sense to me) but questions whether the leagues will be any good?

All of it TBurger --

Outside of the general absurdity of this one, posts like this make me wonder ...

How many local leagues weren't considered a joke by most in their first year of existence?

and

How many of the JDL detractors have kids that play on the teams for the coaches that actually benefit from the league?

While I've been painted as a "blowhard", as I've mentioned before, I have no stake in the JDL ... Neither a fan nor a hater, and couldn't care any less if it succeeds or not.  My kid is one and done there --

I just occasionally add clarity when it is called for.  

Yea well the first year of JDL is a joke.  But it is the first you so you are right there is some leash there.  But I do not see it getting better.  There will always be 3 or 4 teams that do not belong in what is billed as an elite league.  But like you I am glad to be one and done with it too.  

As for the rest, and not really understanding the point of the rest of the post, we will need time to see it play out and ramp up.  DA will not blow the doors off in the first year.  It will by year 2 or more likely 3 and then take hold.  ECNL will stay strong for those 2 to 3 years because it is a better destination than DA2 for the short term but I think will play a good role going forward given the way they seem to be putting up the fight against DA.  But in the end DA will rule.  There is no doubt about that. But you have to subscribe to all it is about and not every DD will want it.
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Re: A good game to see

Post by AngelinaGoalee on 28/02/17, 09:03 am

Cam203030 wrote:JDL  was a big joke  can't wait to see what DA  is all about so what it's looking like it's going to be all about DA ECNL LHGCL won't be that good

Right....LHGCL wont be that good. I would even go as far as to take "that" out!!
LHGCL WONT be good....I just dont see how it can.

1. DA
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3. ECNL
4. Composite
5. School Sports/Social Media
6. Select Soccer at LHGCL or Futsal
7. FIFA PS4
8. FIFA Xbox
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9. Arlington
10.Rec



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Re: A good game to see

Post by KeeperCommander on 28/02/17, 09:17 am

AngelinaGoalee wrote:
Cam203030 wrote:JDL  was a big joke  can't wait to see what DA  is all about so what it's looking like it's going to be all about DA ECNL LHGCL won't be that good

Right....LHGCL wont be that good. I would even go as far as to take "that" out!!
LHGCL WONT be good....I just dont see how it can.

1. DA
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3. ECNL
4.  Composite
5. School Sports/Social Media
6. Select Soccer at LHGCL or Futsal
7. FIFA PS4
8. FIFA Xbox
8. Plano
9. Arlington
10.Rec

Flip 7 & 8
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Re: A good game to see

Post by AngelinaGoalee on 28/02/17, 09:23 am

Son_ofa_Pitch wrote:SOLAR:  DA, DA2 & ECNL - Will struggle to do all three
FCD: DA, DA2 - They will drop ECNL
TEXANS: DA, ECNL
STING: DA, ECNL

If TEXANS & STING add DA2, it will be only to help subsidize DA. There isn't enough Coaches in these clubs to do all three (DA, DA2 & ECNL). Just my take.

More levels=more parents needing validation for their DD's= more teams=more money=more coaches. Supply and demand. These big clubs aren't about to let any $$ go to waste or to another club. Its a big business and looks like its getting bigger for the Bigs.
Everybody is about to win except some parents.

More training programs will surface. win for the trainers and coaches who do it on the side lol
More field rentals. money for field owners both indoor and outdoor.
More teams for coaches. win for coaches...again if they do private training on the side.
More leagues probably.....

Does the skill level take a hit in quality though?

Its going to make the ratio look a lot worse if NTX dont get somebody on that dang on National team!!
....thats the goal right?

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Re: A good game to see

Post by BigErn on 28/02/17, 10:01 am

"Its a big business and looks like its getting bigger for the Bigs."
"Its going to make the ratio look a lot worse if NTX dont get somebody on that dang on National team!!
....thats the goal right?"


Exactly ...

individual market talent consolidation = higher quality teams = higher quality players.

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Re: A good game to see

Post by KeeperCommander on 01/03/17, 06:09 am

AngelinaGoalee wrote:

Its going to make the ratio look a lot worse if NTX dont get somebody on that dang on National team!!
....thats the goal right?
To me it doesn't matter what the overall goal of DA was when it was created. The dream of making the National team might be just as absurd as trying to make the NFL, if you look at the percentage. Over 400,000 girls of which about 40,000 make it to a college program all vying for a 26 player roster. Hmmm, sounds easy. It may be the DA goal but it shouldn't be the individuals goal.
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Post by Guest on 01/03/17, 07:36 am

@ Keepercommander great stats on why making the national team is truly a difficult if not impossible thing to do. But question even given the seemingly insurmountable circumstances. Why should little girls not set a goal to make it to the highest level? My daughters dream is to make it there; I have laid out for her a ton of reasons why she can't make it, and that hasn't waivered her desire to at least try to be the one. I have also prepared her for if you don't make it, at least all this time and effort you put into achieveing that goal is worth it because of the experiences, lessons, friendship, and fortitude you have gained. All of that is applicable to real life and ultimately this sport is helping create dynamic future leaders. I could be wrong. But I think setting that lofty goal is a good thing.

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Post by KeeperCommander on 01/03/17, 08:26 am

Nothing major wrote:@ Keepercommander great stats on why making the national team is truly a difficult if not impossible thing to do. But question even given the seemingly insurmountable circumstances. Why should little girls not set a goal to make it to the highest level? My daughters dream is to make it there; I have laid out for her a ton of reasons why she can't make it, and that hasn't waivered her desire to at least try to be the one. I have also prepared her for if you don't make it, at least all this time and effort you put into achieveing that goal is worth it because of the experiences, lessons, friendship, and fortitude you have gained. All of that is applicable to real life and ultimately this sport is helping create dynamic future leaders. I could be wrong. But I think setting that lofty goal is a good thing.
Not trying to discourage any DD from dreaming big or going for it all.  Not even trying to talk anyone out of it.  Just stating the facts.  For a player to make a National team, any of them from U16 on up, given the fact that there are already locks on the team.   The player will have to not only be the best on their team, but also the best in the area and Region to have a shot.  Then they will be one of maybe 10 girls vying for said team. Perhaps 2 make it. Lofty goals are what gives us the dream.  Setting the highest goals is good for any player but can only be achieved by attaining the lower goals first.  The best 05 player right now in NTX is extremely skilled and athletic.  She will prob be at best 5'6' or so.  She does not play extremely physical because she has never needed to with her talent.  Although she prob could.  If a National Team director wants a big, physical girl to fill roster spot then how can she prevail.  I guess  sometimes you need to be lucky your number gets called.
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Post by bwgophers on 01/03/17, 08:42 am

You do realize the that NTX player that is currently in Spain playing with the U20 WNT is listed at 5'2" (which may actually be generous by an inch or 2)...

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Post by KeeperCommander on 01/03/17, 09:07 am

bwgophers wrote:You do realize the that NTX player that is currently in Spain playing with the U20 WNT is listed at 5'2" (which may actually be generous by an inch or 2)...
This has to do with what I said .......How.......
The 5'6'' might be generous by 2 inches as well


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Post by Guest on 01/03/17, 09:14 am

The short answer is; No matter how talented the player , if they don't fit the need/requirements then they don't really have a chance to prevail. Unless that player is so compelling with what they bring to the table, that the coach or evaluator ignores their requirements.

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Nothing major wrote:The short answer is; No matter how talented the player , if they don't fit the need/requirements then they don't really have a chance to prevail. Unless that player is so compelling with what they bring to the table, that the coach or evaluator ignores their requirements.
If they are really that talented then they are replacing a player on roster not adding to roster.
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Post by bwgophers on 01/03/17, 09:37 am

KeeperCommander wrote:
bwgophers wrote:You do realize the that NTX player that is currently in Spain playing with the U20 WNT is listed at 5'2" (which may actually be generous by an inch or 2)...
This has to do with what I said .......How.......
The 5'6'' might be generous by 2 inches as well

As I read your post, it seemed to imply that the powers that be are only looking for big, tall, physical players.  Maybe that wasn't your point, but that's how it came across to this reader...

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Post by KeeperCommander on 01/03/17, 09:58 am

bwgophers wrote:
KeeperCommander wrote:
bwgophers wrote:You do realize the that NTX player that is currently in Spain playing with the U20 WNT is listed at 5'2" (which may actually be generous by an inch or 2)...
This has to do with what I said .......How.......
The 5'6'' might be generous by 2 inches as well

As I read your post, it seemed to imply that the powers that be are only looking for big, tall, physical players.  Maybe that wasn't your point, but that's how it came across to this reader...
My bad. Wasn't what I was trying to imply. Simply giving as example of what might happen in a certain set of circumstances. It very well might be the exact opposite situation. My main point being that you can't be the superstar on a NT without first being the superstar in your own home area or region.
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Post by Pele98 on 01/03/17, 10:29 am

KeeperCommander wrote:
Nothing major wrote:@ Keepercommander great stats on why making the national team is truly a difficult if not impossible thing to do. But question even given the seemingly insurmountable circumstances. Why should little girls not set a goal to make it to the highest level? My daughters dream is to make it there; I have laid out for her a ton of reasons why she can't make it, and that hasn't waivered her desire to at least try to be the one. I have also prepared her for if you don't make it, at least all this time and effort you put into achieveing that goal is worth it because of the experiences, lessons, friendship, and fortitude you have gained. All of that is applicable to real life and ultimately this sport is helping create dynamic future leaders. I could be wrong. But I think setting that lofty goal is a good thing.
Not trying to discourage any DD from dreaming big or going for it all.  Not even trying to talk anyone out of it.  Just stating the facts.  For a player to make a National team, any of them from U16 on up, given the fact that there are already locks on the team.   The player will have to not only be the best on their team, but also the best in the area and Region to have a shot.  Then they will be one of maybe 10 girls vying for said team.  Perhaps 2 make it.  Lofty goals are what gives us the dream.  Setting the highest goals is good for any player but can only be achieved by attaining the lower goals first.  The best 05 player right now in NTX is extremely skilled and athletic.  She will prob be at best 5'6' or so.  She does not play extremely physical because she has never needed to with her talent.  Although she prob could.  If a National Team director wants a big, physical girl to fill roster spot then how can she prevail.  I guess  sometimes you need to be lucky your number gets called.



I guess the assumption here is that JUST being good or extremely good will get a player into the NYT or WNT.  That is partially true. And it is a small part.

Being good might give the player a little bit of an edge, but getting the right exposure, having the right connections to the scouts (politics) and so much more, plays a bigger part than just being extremely good.

In my old life, I had seen kids getting a call to YNT/WNT who were very average players but had parents or club coaches who knew who to call.  If that has changed since those days, then I guess we are all in the path to soccer nirvana.
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Post by Guest on 01/03/17, 12:49 pm

OK so to Pele's point, i wonder if that has changed. Looking at NT call ups, i dont see any of them as anywhere close to average, but the exposure thing is an interesting point. Are there clubs where the potential for exposure and ultimately influence in decision making (outside of what the player can control with their play on the field) are increased based off the connections they have with YNT coaches? Looks like Solar has the most call ups, why do they have so many? Are the girls just that darn good(which i believe they are), or do they happen to be in a sweet spot where a coach/club has connections and in this moment its right for them to at least get a look.

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Nothing major wrote:OK so to Pele's point, i wonder if that has changed. Looking at NT call ups, i dont see any of them as anywhere close to average, but the exposure thing is an interesting point. Are there clubs where the potential for exposure and ultimately influence in decision making (outside of what the player can control with their play on the field) are increased based off the connections they have with YNT coaches? Looks like Solar has the most call ups, why do they have so many?  Are the girls just that darn good(which i believe they are), or do they happen to be in a sweet spot where a coach/club has connections and in this moment its right for them to at least get a look.
I happen to agree with the big club power of numbers debate. You can't argue that you can one stop shop per se at a FCD or Solar given the number of teams and amount of talent they have throughout the club. Does that mean that the bigs have "ALL" the talent? Not even close. However exposure does play a huge role.
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Post by bwgophers on 01/03/17, 01:13 pm

There's an '01 player from Kicks in the YNT pool, so clearly, a player doesn't have to be a part of "big club" to get there.

However, we are talking about a Kicks team that went to the USYSA National Finals 2 years in a row, so that player did get exposure on a national stage playing for one of the best teams in the nation...

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Post by Gunners on 01/03/17, 01:36 pm

Historically speaking, that player (and team for that matter) is a singular local outlier.

That kind of exception happens almost exclusively in places without local big clubs (ECNL etc).

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