Latest topics
And it begins...Today at 04:22 pmMurderWasTheCase
10 Girls Teams - LEAGUE CHALLENGE CUP (Nov. 16-18)Today at 02:41 pmU90C
08 Girls Teams - LEAGUE CHALLENGE CUP (Nov. 16-18)Today at 01:49 pmU90C
TOP TEN 08’ BOYS TEAMSToday at 12:30 pmMr. Miyagi
TOURNAMENT: THE ROCK - AUSTIN - Nov. 9-11, 2018Today at 11:47 amU90C
09 Girls Teams - LEAGUE CHALLENGE CUP (Nov. 16-18)Today at 11:46 amU90C
2018 America's Red, White & Blue CupToday at 08:50 amLiverpool Tournaments
Here were go again - Games CancellationYesterday at 08:07 pmMurderWasTheCase
Defunct Club?Yesterday at 03:42 pmSoccerSuckers
07 Boys Teams - LEAGUE CHALLENGE CUP (Nov. 16-18)Yesterday at 01:49 pmU90C
08 Boys Teams - LEAGUE CHALLENGE CUP (Nov. 16-18)Yesterday at 01:48 pmU90C
09 Boys Teams - LEAGUE CHALLENGE CUP (Nov. 16-18)Yesterday at 01:47 pmU90C
Liverpool 09 Flynn Yesterday at 01:42 pmLP_Elite
FALL '18 - SPRING '19 CLASSIC LEAGUE KICK-OFF by GamedayYesterday at 11:32 amGameday 04 New
06 Boys Teams - Round Rock Open (Dec. 7-9)Yesterday at 10:06 amU90C
05 Girls Teams - LEAGUE CHALLENGE CUP (Nov. 16-18)Yesterday at 10:04 amU90C
13 Girls Teams - Veteran Heroes Cup (Nov. 9-11)Yesterday at 10:04 amU90C
Solar 11g Barnes Open practicesYesterday at 09:19 amSportsmanship
Solar Mattice 09B - Soccer OpportunitiesYesterday at 09:03 amkmattice
Team DQ'ed from Lake Highlands D323/09/18, 10:25 pmcoachdom23
Crazyfeet 06/07 Girls - Looking for players23/09/18, 09:55 amsoccaloco
Crazyfeet 06/07 Girls - Looking for players23/09/18, 09:55 amsoccaloco
FREE Liverpool Street Soccer - FRIDAY NIGHTS - Two Locations23/09/18, 08:04 amSoccerSuckers
U12 DA Landscape22/09/18, 11:32 pmfactsmatter
Week 1 in D122/09/18, 09:09 amTexanDad37
Log in

I forgot my password

Be An Athletic Supporter!
Donate and get this nifty tag!

Statistics
We have 12668 registered users
The newest registered user is DRFC Academy

Our users have posted a total of 182087 messages in 24173 subjects

Liverpool 04 St John - most improved?

Page 2 of 3 Previous  1, 2, 3  Next

Go down

Re: Liverpool 04 St John - most improved?

Post by Guest on 20/03/17, 12:40 pm

If 3 PP's is all LP St John needed to go from last to middle of the pack and beat the third ranked team 4-1 this weekend, I would say the gap wasn't that great.

Guest
Guest


Back to top Go down

Re: Liverpool 04 St John - most improved?

Post by SoccerDad75033 on 20/03/17, 01:24 pm

Shake_and_Bake wrote:If 3 PP's is all LP St John needed to go from last to middle of the pack and beat the third ranked team 4-1 this weekend, I would say the gap wasn't that great.  


I guess how you measure the "gap" is subjective.

Another argument could be made that replacing 25%+ of the time played by players now on the bench with three starters (at least one of which plays on the 03 Elite team) playing 100% had a substantial impact -


Not clear if they used CPP in the Rush game -

Fall lost 3-1, spring lost 5-0


However, in the remainder of their games where CPP was used -

vs. FCD Premier - fall lost 3-1, spring tied 1-1
vs. Sting - fall lost 5-0, spring won 4-0
vs. Feet - fall lost 3-2, spring won 4-2
vs. FCD Blue - fall lost 3-0, spring won 4-1

going from 3 GF, 14 GA to 13 GF, 4 GA is quite the turn-around


LP faced the 2 FCD teams weeks before in Michael Brown -

went from losing 0-2 to a 1-1 tie against Premier - in 2 weeks
went from losing 0-4 to winning 4-1 against FCD Blue - in 6 weeks

development?  lol!


I guess we could dispute the subjectivity of the "size of the gap" all day

or the impact of the Elite player (I would be willing to bet she has scored or assisted in a majority of the goals)


what's not in dispute - LP has not beaten or tied LH D1 competition in 10 (or 11 games)

with 3 CPP they have 3 wins and a tie (and possibly a loss)

SoccerDad75033
Annual Supporting Member
Annual Supporting Member

Posts : 123
Points : 2544
Join date : 2012-02-20

Back to top Go down

Re: Liverpool 04 St John - most improved?

Post by SoccerDad4 on 21/03/17, 09:52 am

My take on the CPP use is that it is rarely utilized for its' true purpose.

In the 03G D-1, it is used solely to help teams maintain their D1 status. It's understandable for the big clubs, as it helps them keep an option for their lower ECNL players...can dual roster...and continue to "develop." Our 03G team has played Solar twice. Tied 3-3 and lost 3-1. One ECNL player who CPP's with them has been responsible for 5 of their 6 goals. Without that one super fun player to watch, we beat them both times. Like it? No. Understand it? Yes.

It's just an option that bigger clubs have over smaller clubs.

SoccerDad4
TxSoccer Postmaster
TxSoccer Postmaster

Posts : 357
Points : 3462
Join date : 2010-05-12

Back to top Go down

Re: Liverpool 04 St John - most improved?

Post by SoccerDad75033 on 22/03/17, 09:47 am

Situation is kinda moot now.

With 3 games to go, LP is now limited to 1 CPP   Sad

I guess we will see how the CPPs contributed to player development.  (and I'm sure the bench players are looking forward to more playing time)


Will the better test be 3/29 vs DT South, or 4/5 against Solar Rodriguez?

SoccerDad75033
Annual Supporting Member
Annual Supporting Member

Posts : 123
Points : 2544
Join date : 2012-02-20

Back to top Go down

Re: Liverpool 04 St John - most improved?

Post by TatonkaBurger on 23/03/17, 05:12 pm

The race to stay out of the D1 relegation zone is on full bore.  The CPP will play a huge factor in every game through the end of the season.  It played a big part last night.
avatar
TatonkaBurger
TxSoccer Addict
TxSoccer Addict

Posts : 1174
Points : 3317
Join date : 2012-12-03

Back to top Go down

Re: Liverpool 04 St John - most improved?

Post by SoccerDad75033 on 26/03/17, 11:00 am

Playing Solar Rodriguez is like trying out orange juice -

do you want your DI team with "no pulp" or "some Pulp"

SoccerDad75033
Annual Supporting Member
Annual Supporting Member

Posts : 123
Points : 2544
Join date : 2012-02-20

Back to top Go down

Re: Liverpool 04 St John - most improved?

Post by Cleansheets on 26/03/17, 01:44 pm

Now that's funny.

__________________________________________________
Life is like playing goalkeeper, blink and the most important thing is past you.
avatar
Cleansheets
Original Supporting Member
Original Supporting Member

Posts : 1115
Points : 3277
Join date : 2012-12-20
Location : ...is everything

Back to top Go down

Re: Liverpool 04 St John - most improved?

Post by wazup on 06/04/17, 08:24 am

sota34 wrote:Guess players do wonders.


Yep, looks like too little too late.

Limited by end-of-season CPP rules on their ability to bring down players, LP's winning streak has ended it and looks like relegation is imminent.   Sad

Must not have been so much development after all.

Karma

wazup
TxSoccer Poster
TxSoccer Poster

Posts : 97
Points : 649
Join date : 2017-03-24

Back to top Go down

Re: Liverpool 04 St John - most improved?

Post by TatonkaBurger on 06/04/17, 08:33 am

wazup wrote:
sota34 wrote:Guess players do wonders.


Yep, looks like too little too late.

Limited by end-of-season CPP rules on their ability to bring down players, LP's winning streak has ended it and looks like relegation is imminent.   Sad

Must not have been so much development after all.

Karma

How did Team Orange Juice's roster look last night?
avatar
TatonkaBurger
TxSoccer Addict
TxSoccer Addict

Posts : 1174
Points : 3317
Join date : 2012-12-03

Back to top Go down

Re: Liverpool 04 St John - most improved?

Post by go99 on 06/04/17, 08:37 am

GUESS your team wasn't as good as you thought when it only takes a couple of your peers to come in and run you over.  If the teams DEVELOPMENT was so good they should have been organized enough to handle a few solo players
avatar
go99
TxSoccer Spammer
TxSoccer Spammer

Posts : 2884
Points : 6033
Join date : 2010-03-02
Location : The Ahole TXsoccer deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So they will hate me. Because I can take it. Because I'm not their hero. I'm a silent guardian, a watchful protector. A dark knight

Back to top Go down

Re: Liverpool 04 St John - most improved?

Post by soccerjack on 06/04/17, 08:38 am

Who won the feet jdl vs rush/feet ecnl game?
avatar
soccerjack
TxSoccer Author
TxSoccer Author

Posts : 993
Points : 2557
Join date : 2014-07-11

Back to top Go down

Re: Liverpool 04 St John - most improved?

Post by go99 on 06/04/17, 08:43 am

soccerjack wrote:Who won the feet jdl vs rush/feet ecnl game?

Development did
avatar
go99
TxSoccer Spammer
TxSoccer Spammer

Posts : 2884
Points : 6033
Join date : 2010-03-02
Location : The Ahole TXsoccer deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So they will hate me. Because I can take it. Because I'm not their hero. I'm a silent guardian, a watchful protector. A dark knight

Back to top Go down

Re: Liverpool 04 St John - most improved?

Post by Zizou on 06/04/17, 08:44 am

No you mean recruiting teams did.

Zizou
TxSoccer Spammer
TxSoccer Spammer

Posts : 2322
Points : 4197
Join date : 2013-11-09

Back to top Go down

Re: Liverpool 04 St John - most improved?

Post by TatonkaBurger on 06/04/17, 08:55 am

go99 wrote:GUESS your team wasn't as good as you thought when it only takes a couple of your peers to come in and run you over.  If the teams DEVELOPMENT was so good they should have been organized enough to handle a few solo players

Guess or CPP?  The complaints I have been getting over the last few weeks are that JDL has given teams a way to get around CPP.  If I only had the power that people thought I had.  I am no go99.
avatar
TatonkaBurger
TxSoccer Addict
TxSoccer Addict

Posts : 1174
Points : 3317
Join date : 2012-12-03

Back to top Go down

Re: Liverpool 04 St John - most improved?

Post by soccerjack on 06/04/17, 08:56 am

go99 wrote:
soccerjack wrote:Who won the feet jdl vs rush/feet ecnl game?

Development did

lol!

Scores shouldn't matter anyway as long as they all had fun.
avatar
soccerjack
TxSoccer Author
TxSoccer Author

Posts : 993
Points : 2557
Join date : 2014-07-11

Back to top Go down

Re: Liverpool 04 St John - most improved?

Post by SoccerDad75033 on 06/04/17, 11:21 am

TatonkaBurger wrote:
wazup wrote:
sota34 wrote:Guess players do wonders.


Yep, looks like too little too late.

Limited by end-of-season CPP rules on their ability to bring down players, LP's winning streak has ended it and looks like relegation is imminent.   Sad

Must not have been so much development after all.

Karma

How did Team Orange Juice's roster look last night?


The glass was topped-off with JDL - I'm hearing a little Pulp Cool

SoccerDad75033
Annual Supporting Member
Annual Supporting Member

Posts : 123
Points : 2544
Join date : 2012-02-20

Back to top Go down

Re: Liverpool 04 St John - most improved?

Post by SoccerDad75033 on 06/04/17, 11:25 am

TatonkaBurger wrote:
go99 wrote:GUESS your team wasn't as good as you thought when it only takes a couple of your peers to come in and run you over.  If the teams DEVELOPMENT was so good they should have been organized enough to handle a few solo players

Guess or CPP?  The complaints I have been getting over the last few weeks are that JDL has given teams a way to get around CPP.  If I only had the power that people thought I had.  I am no go99.


LP St John uses CPP (at least some from 03 Elite) - hence the apparent limits last night

Solar Rodriguez - no better LH teams to draw from, so mid-season dual-rostering of JDL players appears to be the answer

SoccerDad75033
Annual Supporting Member
Annual Supporting Member

Posts : 123
Points : 2544
Join date : 2012-02-20

Back to top Go down

Re: Liverpool 04 St John - most improved?

Post by TatonkaBurger on 06/04/17, 02:39 pm

SoccerDad75033 wrote:
TatonkaBurger wrote:
go99 wrote:GUESS your team wasn't as good as you thought when it only takes a couple of your peers to come in and run you over.  If the teams DEVELOPMENT was so good they should have been organized enough to handle a few solo players

Guess or CPP?  The complaints I have been getting over the last few weeks are that JDL has given teams a way to get around CPP.  If I only had the power that people thought I had.  I am no go99.


LP St John uses CPP (at least some from 03 Elite) - hence the apparent limits last night

Solar Rodriguez - no better LH teams to draw from, so mid-season dual-rostering of JDL players appears to be the answer

I heard it was 5 or 6 JDL players.  All in the name of "development" tho.
avatar
TatonkaBurger
TxSoccer Addict
TxSoccer Addict

Posts : 1174
Points : 3317
Join date : 2012-12-03

Back to top Go down

Re: Liverpool 04 St John - most improved?

Post by SoccerDad75033 on 06/04/17, 02:45 pm

TatonkaBurger wrote:
SoccerDad75033 wrote:
TatonkaBurger wrote:
go99 wrote:GUESS your team wasn't as good as you thought when it only takes a couple of your peers to come in and run you over.  If the teams DEVELOPMENT was so good they should have been organized enough to handle a few solo players

Guess or CPP?  The complaints I have been getting over the last few weeks are that JDL has given teams a way to get around CPP.  If I only had the power that people thought I had.  I am no go99.


LP St John uses CPP (at least some from 03 Elite) - hence the apparent limits last night

Solar Rodriguez - no better LH teams to draw from, so mid-season dual-rostering of JDL players appears to be the answer

I heard it was 5 or 6 JDL players.  All in the name of "development" tho.

Their roster has 18 players on it.  Prior to MS departure, I believe they had 13ish (and I'm not sure that they were all dedicated LH DI players).


All in the name of "development". Rolling Eyes

SoccerDad75033
Annual Supporting Member
Annual Supporting Member

Posts : 123
Points : 2544
Join date : 2012-02-20

Back to top Go down

Re: Liverpool 04 St John - most improved?

Post by SoccerDad75033 on 06/04/17, 03:18 pm

go99 wrote:GUESS your team wasn't as good as you thought when it only takes a couple of your peers to come in and run you over.  If the teams DEVELOPMENT was so good they should have been organized enough to handle a few solo players


Not really an issue of how good someone "thinks" their team is or how much they "think" they developed - and don't see where that is relevant.

This issue is - how teams earn a bye.

If a team is bringing multiple 03 ECNL / DA level players, or numerous 04 ECNL level players, benching players so the guests are getting substabtial play time - and can't win without them - then LH is allowing GUESTS to hijack the promotion / relegation over TEAMS (and again favoring larger clubs over smaller / independents).


No one said any rules were broken.  It's established that LP's use of guests lies well outisde the intent of the rule - with the ONLY purpose being to secure a LH D1 slot with players who will certainly not play on the team next year.

4 teams were battling for 2 DI spots.  Should they all be relegated?  Maybe.  But LH rules allow 2 to remaing in DI.  (note - all 4 teams would likely be their club's only DI team in U14)  

So, some teams in the bottom 4 would be able to remain in LH DI - based upon play.  Some clubs - solely to save their DI spots - stacked the deck in their favor.


Conversations regarding CPP, dual-rostered players, promotion / relegation come up on this board all the time.  There is another conversation about JDL (and comments noted that by keeping it outside the LH rules allow dual-rostering and freer movement from JDL teams to LH teams - again to the benefit of the bigs).

This post is more about the real-world observations and impacts of LH policies - how the application of LH rules are outside the expressed intent of the rules - and how smaller clubs or those who don't use CPP or dual-rostered players are disadvantaged by the current system.

SoccerDad75033
Annual Supporting Member
Annual Supporting Member

Posts : 123
Points : 2544
Join date : 2012-02-20

Back to top Go down

Re: Liverpool 04 St John - most improved?

Post by Guest on 06/04/17, 03:38 pm

Let me get this straight...

There's whining going on over which club improperly stacked the deck with CPP over the others to retain a D1 bye, and the clubs in the conversation are Sting, Solar, LP, and D'Feeters Question Question Question

Guest
Guest


Back to top Go down

Re: Liverpool 04 St John - most improved?

Post by Big Boy Bentley on 04/05/17, 08:31 pm

What up peeps...so the reindeer games are at every level. I am going to be drinking alot of kool.aid for awhile....




__________________________________________________
Who's your daddy?
avatar
Big Boy Bentley
TxSoccer Postmaster
TxSoccer Postmaster

Posts : 384
Points : 1087
Join date : 2016-10-26

Back to top Go down

Re: Liverpool 04 St John - most improved?

Post by soccerjack on 04/05/17, 08:55 pm

BigboyBentley wrote:What up peeps...so the reindeer games are at every level. I am going to be drinking alot of kool.aid for awhile....



Be careful not to put too much crack and meth in that kool aid.


avatar
soccerjack
TxSoccer Author
TxSoccer Author

Posts : 993
Points : 2557
Join date : 2014-07-11

Back to top Go down

Re: Liverpool 04 St John - most improved?

Post by Big Boy Bentley on 04/05/17, 09:12 pm

The Reindeer games big boy. That your play.

__________________________________________________
Who's your daddy?
avatar
Big Boy Bentley
TxSoccer Postmaster
TxSoccer Postmaster

Posts : 384
Points : 1087
Join date : 2016-10-26

Back to top Go down

Re: Liverpool 04 St John - most improved?

Post by Big Boy Bentley on 05/05/17, 06:49 am

I want to be a Rockstar like ypu Soccer Jack...Welcome to the jungle...Boom

__________________________________________________
Who's your daddy?
avatar
Big Boy Bentley
TxSoccer Postmaster
TxSoccer Postmaster

Posts : 384
Points : 1087
Join date : 2016-10-26

Back to top Go down

Re: Liverpool 04 St John - most improved?

Post by Disposessed on 15/05/17, 09:18 pm

No CPP to bail them out of League Challenge Cup. Weak D2 team next year.

Disposessed
TxSoccer Poster
TxSoccer Poster

Posts : 26
Points : 761
Join date : 2016-09-19

Back to top Go down

Page 2 of 3 Previous  1, 2, 3  Next

Back to top


 
Permissions in this forum:
You cannot reply to topics in this forum