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Liverpool 04 St John - most improved?

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Re: Liverpool 04 St John - most improved?

Post by Guest on 20/03/17, 12:40 pm

If 3 PP's is all LP St John needed to go from last to middle of the pack and beat the third ranked team 4-1 this weekend, I would say the gap wasn't that great.

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Post by SoccerDad75033 on 20/03/17, 01:24 pm

Shake_and_Bake wrote:If 3 PP's is all LP St John needed to go from last to middle of the pack and beat the third ranked team 4-1 this weekend, I would say the gap wasn't that great.  


I guess how you measure the "gap" is subjective.

Another argument could be made that replacing 25%+ of the time played by players now on the bench with three starters (at least one of which plays on the 03 Elite team) playing 100% had a substantial impact -


Not clear if they used CPP in the Rush game -

Fall lost 3-1, spring lost 5-0


However, in the remainder of their games where CPP was used -

vs. FCD Premier - fall lost 3-1, spring tied 1-1
vs. Sting - fall lost 5-0, spring won 4-0
vs. Feet - fall lost 3-2, spring won 4-2
vs. FCD Blue - fall lost 3-0, spring won 4-1

going from 3 GF, 14 GA to 13 GF, 4 GA is quite the turn-around


LP faced the 2 FCD teams weeks before in Michael Brown -

went from losing 0-2 to a 1-1 tie against Premier - in 2 weeks
went from losing 0-4 to winning 4-1 against FCD Blue - in 6 weeks

development?  lol!


I guess we could dispute the subjectivity of the "size of the gap" all day

or the impact of the Elite player (I would be willing to bet she has scored or assisted in a majority of the goals)


what's not in dispute - LP has not beaten or tied LH D1 competition in 10 (or 11 games)

with 3 CPP they have 3 wins and a tie (and possibly a loss)

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Re: Liverpool 04 St John - most improved?

Post by SoccerDad4 on 21/03/17, 09:52 am

My take on the CPP use is that it is rarely utilized for its' true purpose.

In the 03G D-1, it is used solely to help teams maintain their D1 status. It's understandable for the big clubs, as it helps them keep an option for their lower ECNL players...can dual roster...and continue to "develop." Our 03G team has played Solar twice. Tied 3-3 and lost 3-1. One ECNL player who CPP's with them has been responsible for 5 of their 6 goals. Without that one super fun player to watch, we beat them both times. Like it? No. Understand it? Yes.

It's just an option that bigger clubs have over smaller clubs.

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Re: Liverpool 04 St John - most improved?

Post by SoccerDad75033 on 22/03/17, 09:47 am

Situation is kinda moot now.

With 3 games to go, LP is now limited to 1 CPP   Sad

I guess we will see how the CPPs contributed to player development.  (and I'm sure the bench players are looking forward to more playing time)


Will the better test be 3/29 vs DT South, or 4/5 against Solar Rodriguez?

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Post by TatonkaBurger on 23/03/17, 05:12 pm

The race to stay out of the D1 relegation zone is on full bore.  The CPP will play a huge factor in every game through the end of the season.  It played a big part last night.
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Re: Liverpool 04 St John - most improved?

Post by SoccerDad75033 on 26/03/17, 11:00 am

Playing Solar Rodriguez is like trying out orange juice -

do you want your DI team with "no pulp" or "some Pulp"

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Re: Liverpool 04 St John - most improved?

Post by Cleansheets on 26/03/17, 01:44 pm

Now that's funny.

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Re: Liverpool 04 St John - most improved?

Post by wazup on 06/04/17, 08:24 am

sota34 wrote:Guess players do wonders.


Yep, looks like too little too late.

Limited by end-of-season CPP rules on their ability to bring down players, LP's winning streak has ended it and looks like relegation is imminent.   Sad

Must not have been so much development after all.

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Re: Liverpool 04 St John - most improved?

Post by TatonkaBurger on 06/04/17, 08:33 am

wazup wrote:
sota34 wrote:Guess players do wonders.


Yep, looks like too little too late.

Limited by end-of-season CPP rules on their ability to bring down players, LP's winning streak has ended it and looks like relegation is imminent.   Sad

Must not have been so much development after all.

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How did Team Orange Juice's roster look last night?
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Re: Liverpool 04 St John - most improved?

Post by go99 on 06/04/17, 08:37 am

GUESS your team wasn't as good as you thought when it only takes a couple of your peers to come in and run you over.  If the teams DEVELOPMENT was so good they should have been organized enough to handle a few solo players
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Post by soccerjack on 06/04/17, 08:38 am

Who won the feet jdl vs rush/feet ecnl game?
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Re: Liverpool 04 St John - most improved?

Post by go99 on 06/04/17, 08:43 am

soccerjack wrote:Who won the feet jdl vs rush/feet ecnl game?

Development did
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Post by Zizou on 06/04/17, 08:44 am

No you mean recruiting teams did.

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Re: Liverpool 04 St John - most improved?

Post by TatonkaBurger on 06/04/17, 08:55 am

go99 wrote:GUESS your team wasn't as good as you thought when it only takes a couple of your peers to come in and run you over.  If the teams DEVELOPMENT was so good they should have been organized enough to handle a few solo players

Guess or CPP?  The complaints I have been getting over the last few weeks are that JDL has given teams a way to get around CPP.  If I only had the power that people thought I had.  I am no go99.
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Re: Liverpool 04 St John - most improved?

Post by soccerjack on 06/04/17, 08:56 am

go99 wrote:
soccerjack wrote:Who won the feet jdl vs rush/feet ecnl game?

Development did

lol!

Scores shouldn't matter anyway as long as they all had fun.
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Re: Liverpool 04 St John - most improved?

Post by SoccerDad75033 on 06/04/17, 11:21 am

TatonkaBurger wrote:
wazup wrote:
sota34 wrote:Guess players do wonders.


Yep, looks like too little too late.

Limited by end-of-season CPP rules on their ability to bring down players, LP's winning streak has ended it and looks like relegation is imminent.   Sad

Must not have been so much development after all.

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The glass was topped-off with JDL - I'm hearing a little Pulp Cool

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Re: Liverpool 04 St John - most improved?

Post by SoccerDad75033 on 06/04/17, 11:25 am

TatonkaBurger wrote:
go99 wrote:GUESS your team wasn't as good as you thought when it only takes a couple of your peers to come in and run you over.  If the teams DEVELOPMENT was so good they should have been organized enough to handle a few solo players

Guess or CPP?  The complaints I have been getting over the last few weeks are that JDL has given teams a way to get around CPP.  If I only had the power that people thought I had.  I am no go99.


LP St John uses CPP (at least some from 03 Elite) - hence the apparent limits last night

Solar Rodriguez - no better LH teams to draw from, so mid-season dual-rostering of JDL players appears to be the answer

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Re: Liverpool 04 St John - most improved?

Post by TatonkaBurger on 06/04/17, 02:39 pm

SoccerDad75033 wrote:
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go99 wrote:GUESS your team wasn't as good as you thought when it only takes a couple of your peers to come in and run you over.  If the teams DEVELOPMENT was so good they should have been organized enough to handle a few solo players

Guess or CPP?  The complaints I have been getting over the last few weeks are that JDL has given teams a way to get around CPP.  If I only had the power that people thought I had.  I am no go99.


LP St John uses CPP (at least some from 03 Elite) - hence the apparent limits last night

Solar Rodriguez - no better LH teams to draw from, so mid-season dual-rostering of JDL players appears to be the answer

I heard it was 5 or 6 JDL players.  All in the name of "development" tho.
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Re: Liverpool 04 St John - most improved?

Post by SoccerDad75033 on 06/04/17, 02:45 pm

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go99 wrote:GUESS your team wasn't as good as you thought when it only takes a couple of your peers to come in and run you over.  If the teams DEVELOPMENT was so good they should have been organized enough to handle a few solo players

Guess or CPP?  The complaints I have been getting over the last few weeks are that JDL has given teams a way to get around CPP.  If I only had the power that people thought I had.  I am no go99.


LP St John uses CPP (at least some from 03 Elite) - hence the apparent limits last night

Solar Rodriguez - no better LH teams to draw from, so mid-season dual-rostering of JDL players appears to be the answer

I heard it was 5 or 6 JDL players.  All in the name of "development" tho.

Their roster has 18 players on it.  Prior to MS departure, I believe they had 13ish (and I'm not sure that they were all dedicated LH DI players).


All in the name of "development". Rolling Eyes

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Post by SoccerDad75033 on 06/04/17, 03:18 pm

go99 wrote:GUESS your team wasn't as good as you thought when it only takes a couple of your peers to come in and run you over.  If the teams DEVELOPMENT was so good they should have been organized enough to handle a few solo players


Not really an issue of how good someone "thinks" their team is or how much they "think" they developed - and don't see where that is relevant.

This issue is - how teams earn a bye.

If a team is bringing multiple 03 ECNL / DA level players, or numerous 04 ECNL level players, benching players so the guests are getting substabtial play time - and can't win without them - then LH is allowing GUESTS to hijack the promotion / relegation over TEAMS (and again favoring larger clubs over smaller / independents).


No one said any rules were broken.  It's established that LP's use of guests lies well outisde the intent of the rule - with the ONLY purpose being to secure a LH D1 slot with players who will certainly not play on the team next year.

4 teams were battling for 2 DI spots.  Should they all be relegated?  Maybe.  But LH rules allow 2 to remaing in DI.  (note - all 4 teams would likely be their club's only DI team in U14)  

So, some teams in the bottom 4 would be able to remain in LH DI - based upon play.  Some clubs - solely to save their DI spots - stacked the deck in their favor.


Conversations regarding CPP, dual-rostered players, promotion / relegation come up on this board all the time.  There is another conversation about JDL (and comments noted that by keeping it outside the LH rules allow dual-rostering and freer movement from JDL teams to LH teams - again to the benefit of the bigs).

This post is more about the real-world observations and impacts of LH policies - how the application of LH rules are outside the expressed intent of the rules - and how smaller clubs or those who don't use CPP or dual-rostered players are disadvantaged by the current system.

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Re: Liverpool 04 St John - most improved?

Post by Guest on 06/04/17, 03:38 pm

Let me get this straight...

There's whining going on over which club improperly stacked the deck with CPP over the others to retain a D1 bye, and the clubs in the conversation are Sting, Solar, LP, and D'Feeters Question Question Question

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Re: Liverpool 04 St John - most improved?

Post by Big Boy Bentley on 04/05/17, 08:31 pm

What up peeps...so the reindeer games are at every level. I am going to be drinking alot of kool.aid for awhile....




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Post by soccerjack on 04/05/17, 08:55 pm

BigboyBentley wrote:What up peeps...so the reindeer games are at every level. I am going to be drinking alot of kool.aid for awhile....



Be careful not to put too much crack and meth in that kool aid.


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Re: Liverpool 04 St John - most improved?

Post by Big Boy Bentley on 04/05/17, 09:12 pm

The Reindeer games big boy. That your play.

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Post by Big Boy Bentley on 05/05/17, 06:49 am

I want to be a Rockstar like ypu Soccer Jack...Welcome to the jungle...Boom

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Re: Liverpool 04 St John - most improved?

Post by Disposessed on 15/05/17, 09:18 pm

No CPP to bail them out of League Challenge Cup. Weak D2 team next year.

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