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Post by Guest on Wed Apr 26, 2017 2:32 pm

I'm a parent trying to figure this whole thing out as my dd's team transitions from Academy to Select. I've been reading this forum and see things talked about I don't know what are. So here goes my dumb questions. I've tried to find a FAQ or similar for this and have not - so hopefully I'm not the only one with these questions.

What is ECNL?

What is JDL?

How do they compare to LHCL?

Does a team play in one of these - or a combination?

I've been told her team will be trying to qualify for LHCL this summer - what does qualifying entail. What if they don't qualify? Other leagues?

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Post by 5050Ball on Wed Apr 26, 2017 2:49 pm

ECNL is a National league formed by clubs that is exclusive to its members. There are 5 ECNL clubs in NTX. D'Feeters, Sting, Solar, FC Dallas and Texans.

ECNL used to start at U14 and go through U19. This year there will also be a U13 Division. By consolidating a lot of the top talent into a single National league, ECNL has provided a very convenient platform for exposure to college coaches.

JDL is the pre-ECNL league started last year by the ECNL clubs and also exclusive to its members. In its initial year it had U11, U12 and U13 divisions. Each ECNL club was allowed 2 teams in the league.

They don't compare to LHGCL, they are different leagues run by different associations. ECNL and JDL are run by US Club soccer. There are more relaxed rules as to rosters, etc. to fit the desires of the clubs. LHGCL is under NTSSA and has more stringent rules as to rosters, etc.

For years, LHGCL was the top league in NTX from U11 to U19. With the onset of ECNL, many of the stronger players moved there at U14 from LHGCL. LHGCL still has strong teams (of clubs that are excluded from ECNL), but is no longer the strongest league top to bottom.

Some teams will play both JDL and LHGCL. Within a club, the JDL team is typically stronger than the LHGCL team. However, because a team is in JDL does not mean it is necessarily stronger than a LHGCL team from another club.

Qualifying is a joyful experience. It's 110 in the shade and the sidelines are tense. If you don't qualify, your life is ruined. JK. LHGCL accepts 30 teams each year in its QT. Teams that don't qualify usually play in Plano, Arlington or Primetime.
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Post by KeeperCommander on Wed Apr 26, 2017 2:53 pm

Guest wrote:I'm a parent trying to figure this whole thing out as my dd's team transitions from Academy to Select.  I've been reading this forum and see things talked about I don't know what are. So here goes my dumb questions. I've tried to find a FAQ or similar for this and have not - so hopefully I'm not the only one with these questions.  

What is ECNL?Elite Club National League.  It's a league that has 5 member clubs from the area.  Texans, Solar, Sting, FCD and D'Feeters.  hey play i a conference from Texas that has other clubs that are members.  Forms their own league

What is JDL?Junior Developmental League.  5 clubs that wanted a league with consistent play and competition developed it for their own liking. Same clubs except for Feet in 05 age group.

How do they compare to LHCL?Higher consideration than LHGCL.  In my opinion JDL and LH are very similar.  Depends on who you ask.

Does a team play in one of these - or a combination?Several teams play in LH and JDL together

I've been told her team will be trying to qualify for LHCL this summer - what does qualifying entail.  What if they don't qualify?  Other leagues?  Qualifying is a tournament in late Summer.  Seeded according to LH coordinator and winners get in to the league.  If they do not get in first weekend, there is a second weekend to try as well. If you do not make it then you can play in Plano League. Top players will do JDL and LH.


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Post by NoSpinZone on Wed Apr 26, 2017 2:57 pm

KeeperCommander wrote:
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What is JDL?Junior Developmental League.  4 clubs that wanted a league with consistent play and competition developed it for their own liking. Same clubs except for Feet.

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Since when has Feet been excluded? They played this year. JDL is the 5 ECNL clubs.

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Post by go99 on Wed Apr 26, 2017 2:58 pm

just get good and don't worry about the leagues yet. Sons team was bottom of D1 and relegated first year. He had an amazing coach and fought in a competitive environment losing every game except 1. Years later he has been in the DA for 4 yrs with over 90% starts and playtime. Your DD is young and just going into select. Focus on the coach and what she is learning you can always jump to DA when she is old enough Shocked.
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Post by KeeperCommander on Wed Apr 26, 2017 3:19 pm

NoSpinZone wrote:
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What is JDL?Junior Developmental League.  4 clubs that wanted a league with consistent play and competition developed it for their own liking. Same clubs except for Feet.

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Since when has Feet been excluded?  They played this year.  JDL is the 5 ECNL clubs.
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Re: Educate Me

Post by Bodhisattva on Wed Apr 26, 2017 3:55 pm

Educate me:

If a D1 team moves clubs at signing and has 75% of the roster, then the Bye goes with them, correct?

If said team does not bring 75% but less than 50% of the roster remains at the club, does the prior club retain the Bye or does the Bye just go away?

I've heard conflicting rules. LH site reads like the old club will keep the Bye no matter how many stay, but I thought they need 50% + 1 of the roster to retain the Bye?

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Re: Educate Me

Post by KeeperCommander on Wed Apr 26, 2017 3:59 pm

Bodhisattva wrote:Educate me:

If a D1 team moves clubs at signing and has 75% of the roster, then the Bye goes with them, correct?

If said team does not bring 75% but less than 50% of the roster remains at the club, does the prior club retain the Bye or does the Bye just go away?

I've heard conflicting rules. LH site reads like the old club will keep the Bye no matter how many stay, but I thought they need 50% + 1 of the roster to retain the Bye?
Entirely different teams have taken the bye at same club before.
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Re: Educate Me

Post by tpitty on Wed Apr 26, 2017 4:09 pm

Bodhisattva wrote:Educate me:

If a D1 team moves clubs at signing and has 75% of the roster, then the Bye goes with them, correct?

(1) If 75 percent of the players on a team (based on the roster
as of April 1 of the previous soccer year, rounding fractions up to
the next whole number*) leave a team/club to join another
team/club, the league Bye will be awarded to that group of players
with their new team/club



If said team does not bring 75% but less than 50% of the roster remains at the club, does the prior club retain the Bye or does the Bye just go away?

The rules say it stays with the club, but does go under the advisement of the LHGL Board. Which means if the club can fill it, it will stay with the club.

I've heard conflicting rules. LH site reads like the old club will keep the Bye no matter how many stay, but I thought they need 50% + 1 of the roster to retain the Bye?


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Re: Educate Me

Post by Bodhisattva on Wed Apr 26, 2017 4:11 pm

Danke.

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Re: Educate Me

Post by SoccerDad75033 on Wed Apr 26, 2017 4:23 pm

tpitty wrote:
Bodhisattva wrote:Educate me:

If a D1 team moves clubs at signing and has 75% of the roster, then the Bye goes with them, correct?

(1) If 75 percent of the players on a team (based on the roster
as of April 1 of the previous soccer year, rounding fractions up to
the next whole number*) leave a team/club to join another
team/club, the league Bye will be awarded to that group of players
with their new team/club



If said team does not bring 75% but less than 50% of the roster remains at the club, does the prior club retain the Bye or does the Bye just go away?

The rules say it stays with the club, but does go under the advisement of the LHGL Board. Which means if the club can fill it, it will stay with the club.

I've heard conflicting rules. LH site reads like the old club will keep the Bye no matter how many stay, but I thought they need 50% + 1 of the roster to retain the Bye?


The term "team/club" seems somewhat ambiguous as a team and club are quite different.

What if said team brings more than 75% to the new club, but some of those players end up playing DA, ECNL, or on another team for the new club?

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Post by bwgophers on Wed Apr 26, 2017 4:33 pm

SoccerDad75033 wrote:
tpitty wrote:
Bodhisattva wrote:Educate me:

If a D1 team moves clubs at signing and has 75% of the roster, then the Bye goes with them, correct?

(1) If 75 percent of the players on a team (based on the roster
as of April 1 of the previous soccer year, rounding fractions up to
the next whole number*) leave a team/club to join another
team/club, the league Bye will be awarded to that group of players
with their new team/club



If said team does not bring 75% but less than 50% of the roster remains at the club, does the prior club retain the Bye or does the Bye just go away?

The rules say it stays with the club, but does go under the advisement of the LHGL Board. Which means if the club can fill it, it will stay with the club.

I've heard conflicting rules. LH site reads like the old club will keep the Bye no matter how many stay, but I thought they need 50% + 1 of the roster to retain the Bye?


The term "team/club" seems somewhat ambiguous as a team and club are quite different.

What if said team brings more than 75% to the new club, but some of those players end up playing DA, ECNL, or on another team for the new club?

It is all based on the official NTSSA rosters, subject to the LHGCL roster size rules. If the club is willing to fill an NTSSA roster spot on an LHGCL team with a player that actually playing ECNL or DA and won't ever set foot on the pitch or sideline during an LHGCL match, then that's their prerogative.

In past years, the clubs pulled similar games with rosters in order to maintain LHGCL byes at U14 while still forming ECNL teams. CPP actually gives the clubs an additional 3 roster spots to play with in this manner.

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Post by ElClassico on Wed Apr 26, 2017 4:38 pm

Doesn't the rule state that 75% of the team has to sign with the club on July 1? So you better be sure you have the numbers plus as you're going to have to hold on through May and June. If one girl gets itchy and doesn't sign the rest could be out of a team. Meanwhile they've all burnt bridges with their old club.
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Post by bwgophers on Wed Apr 26, 2017 5:05 pm

ElClassico wrote:Doesn't the rule state that 75% of the team has to sign with the club on July 1? So you better be sure you have the numbers plus as you're going to have to hold on through May and June. If one girl gets itchy and doesn't sign the rest could be out of a team. Meanwhile they've all burnt bridges with their old club.

The typical scenario for this is a coach moving from one club to another and bringing his/her team(s) along.  Players and parents tend to be more loyal to coaches than clubs.

It's more rare that the parents and players spearhead the move of an entire team to a new club without the coach coming along.  It can be (and has been) done, but as El Classico pointed out, it is like herding cats, and can be completely scuttled by a single player.

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Post by OLJW on Wed Apr 26, 2017 5:49 pm

They don't always follow the rules. Sometimes they just wing it.

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Post by bwgophers on Wed Apr 26, 2017 6:08 pm

OLJW wrote:They don't always follow the rules. Sometimes they just wing it.

Speaking of which... how's that lawsuit against JDL going?

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Post by OLJW on Wed Apr 26, 2017 6:19 pm

Heheheheh. What lawsuit?

How's that Composite Season going?

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Post by bwgophers on Wed Apr 26, 2017 6:35 pm

OLJW wrote:Heheheheh. What lawsuit?

How's that Composite Season going?


Been a good year overall.  Showed that league play is essentially irrelevant to college recruiting if your club/coach is well connected and you get into the correct showcases.

If TCL matches can be better coordinated with ECNL matches such that there is carryover of coach traffic from ECNL to TCL, then TCL will be more worth it.  If not, the Composite teams are better off staying local and playing in LHGCL, or, simply foregoing league play, and just scheduling friendlies to keep sharp in between showcases.  Quality of play was pretty much a wash between TCL and what we would have had if we stayed in LHGCL D1 this year.

Between HS, TCL, friendlies, and showcases, my DD got more than enough game action this year.

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