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Re: DA/ECNL ridiculousness

Post by Cleansheets on 02/05/17, 12:48 pm

C'mon now, you're smarter that that. Why would an 03 team be at an 04 DA practice? I was refering to our clubs 03 DA practice. Using it as an example for discussion because some were doubting the number of girls that would turn out for DA in general.

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Re: DA/ECNL ridiculousness

Post by Big Ern on 02/05/17, 01:16 pm

ColtMcVince wrote:If that's true, further solidifies my position on the ECNL stuff which is "what's the point".  If all the top talent is going to be playing here anyway, I'll just wait until y'all get back from Houston.  Call me and let me know.

You'd be better off not misconstruing what BBB has to say as true --

You're not likely to see any USSDA (nor ECNL for that matter) players concerning themselves with LHGCL next year.

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Post by Big Boy Bentley on 02/05/17, 01:17 pm

Big em likes his mad dog special he will be seeing double again tonight.

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Post by Big Boy Bentley on 02/05/17, 01:20 pm

BigEm talks a big game....we will see the same people next season...otherwise they won't keep their D1 byes...they know where their bread and butter for the muffins....

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Post by Big Boy Bentley on 02/05/17, 01:24 pm

Go ahead and sit on the bench that's not any fun is it BigEm......

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Post by SocDad on 02/05/17, 01:26 pm

BigboyBentley wrote:Go ahead and sit on the bench that's not any fun is it BigEm......

I believe the correct spelling is BigErn.... Laughing
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Post by Sho'Nuff on 02/05/17, 02:12 pm

ColtMcVince wrote:How many people who have kids that have the ability to join one of these teams will just say no?  Or are we all just sheep and going to do what the clubs tell us without question?

As jerry Maguire once said "who's coming with me?"

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Re: DA/ECNL ridiculousness

Post by ColtMcVince on 02/05/17, 02:51 pm

Haha, damn. I was hoping to field a solid team. Maybe next year.

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Post by Guest on 02/05/17, 04:09 pm

ColtMcVince wrote:Haha, damn.  I was hoping to field a solid team.  Maybe next year.

At least now we know the genesis of the OP in this thread... affraid

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Post by Guest on 02/05/17, 05:02 pm

Speaking of DA/ECNL ridiculousness...

What's the over/under for the first date when someone comes on here and posts an accusation that an ECNL or LHGCL team used a DA player in a match?

Also, what kind of odds should we give that the post will be the 1st post from a brand new account?

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Post by ElClassico on 02/05/17, 06:02 pm

bwgophers wrote:Speaking of DA/ECNL ridiculousness...

What's the over/under for the first date when someone comes on here and posts an accusation that an ECNL or LHGCL team used a DA player in a match?

Also, what kind of odds should we give that the post will be the 1st post from a brand new account?  

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Re: DA/ECNL ridiculousness

Post by Guest on 02/05/17, 06:12 pm

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bwgophers wrote:Speaking of DA/ECNL ridiculousness...

What's the over/under for the first date when someone comes on here and posts an accusation that an ECNL or LHGCL team used a DA player in a match?

Also, what kind of odds should we give that the post will be the 1st post from a brand new account?  

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Post by Big Boy Bentley on 03/05/17, 06:33 am

BigEm I'm sure was seeing double vision I can guarantee you the odds are at 100 percent. He will still be trying today to pitch his story...I give him kudos for his persistance. That's a good question if DA player will still be in LH...based on the recent past I bet w the house.

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Post by Big Boy Bentley on 03/05/17, 06:34 am

The house always wins don't forget.

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Post by Big Boy Bentley on 03/05/17, 08:13 am

Zizou I am making the house well drink for you. So I see alot of people aren't buying the pitch. What's next for you all if ypu can't fill the rosters to play in both arenas? ECNL allows for dual rosters and the DA says it's exclusive. If this is the case is your DD going to be ok w that playing alot less games? What gives we would all like to hear your insight since ypu have alot to say on the forum in all the age groups. For me I see alot of watered down teams and to keep valid in any of the leagues there's just not enough to go around. When most people already know what time it is...








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Post by Zizou on 03/05/17, 09:16 am

I think competition within the Texas conference and frontier region improves all players and teams within the regions. Different levels for your elite players allows flexibility i.e. High school sports college bound/ WMLS, college bound. Local leagues should be for those players wanting to enjoy the game, but you must remove CPP to avoid the sand baggers. Consolidation of players and coaches is definitely the direction the regions need to go. As far as the process my DD is in the middle and needs more time to give you a complete picture of ECNL vs. DA

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Re: DA/ECNL ridiculousness

Post by Big Boy Bentley on 03/05/17, 09:33 am

I figured your kid would want to play more games. DA is for a very exclusive group. What's going to happen when your best can't dual roster? That's going to really depreciate the rest of your teams. What do you say on that.

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Post by Big Boy Bentley on 03/05/17, 10:19 am

I can answe Zizou The DA in theory does makes sense. It keeps the business side of the clubs out and actually will be a better road map to develop the cream of the crop. As long as the clubs dictate development of players we will be in the same vicious cycle and the rest of the world will close the gap. For once maybe we are on the right track to right the ship. Keep the business and reindeer games at the club level. I see a much clearer vision for US soccer I am all for DA. Will my daughter play at the level probably not, but at least it will be a more true result.

Unless you want to develop the kids right maybe this will give an opportunity for other at the lower levels more playing time instead of the same few on the club dual roster side.

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Post by Cleansheets on 03/05/17, 11:02 am

For the top tier players in DA, there will be no dual rostering. You're either in or out. Now, with that being said there will be a limited number of discovery players who will move verically. These will not be your top players though.

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Post by ColtMcVince on 03/05/17, 11:06 am

Who can run a study for us on 12 year old kids who are required to practice 4 days a week and not allowed to participate in other sports who no longer play this sport by year +1, +2, +3....to graduating HS.

Not presuming anything or judging any of you, just would be interesting to see.

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Post by Big Boy Bentley on 03/05/17, 11:16 am

It's hard to say it really depends on the US Soccer management team keeping the club politocs at bay. I see less attrition than the present ECNL format. The positive is that other levels might get to see more field actioninstead of the dual roster players, they will be more likely to be in the DA group today if thats the notm. As long as the US Socxer is driving the ship it should be less. In theory. Nothing is pure but it's got to be better than what we got in place.

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Post by Big Boy Bentley on 03/05/17, 11:24 am

I think this will be a better platform for the less developed to have more opportunities later as well. The system now is broke w little opportunities for the masses. It's all business presently and who has the money to play.

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Post by ElClassico on 03/05/17, 11:36 am

ColtMcVince wrote:Who can run a study for us on 12 year old kids who are required to practice 4 days a week and not allowed to participate in other sports who no longer play this sport by year +1, +2, +3....to graduating HS.  

Not presuming anything or judging any of you, just would be interesting to see.

Forget about not being able to play other sports. The normal "drop out" rate is pretty big. Given ECNL and LH stay about the same you can use PPL as a barometer. You'll see that in U12 there's 31 teams, U14 has 39, and by the time you get to U17 there are only 13 teams so figure about 300 girls less. Let's see, quick math...

ECNL 5 teams x 18 players (assuming the others are "dual rostered") = 90 players
LH 29 teams x 16 players (avg) = 464 players
PPL 39 teams x 16 players = 624

90+464+624 = 1178 players. So losing 300 girls would be about 25%

So without restrictions on other sports about 1 in 4 girls currently playing at 14 will not be playing select soccer at 17. (I assume APL has similar numbers as PPL)

I don't think adding DA into the equation changes anything. Those players know they're restricted to one sport before joining so I doubt you'll see many drop off. My guess is it would happen after 1 year or 2. Not at 17, by that time they're all in. Also I doubt the ones dropping out quit soccer all together, they simply change leagues and their spot is filled.

It's all about backfilling spots. By 17 there's not rec players hanging around anymore to fill PPL roster spots when players move to LH, LH to ECNL, etc.
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Post by Big Boy Bentley on 03/05/17, 11:56 am

If the dual roster players go DA then that's leave considerable spots in ECNL and LH since those players play both that makes since. I guess we will see who goes and who stays and see how LH plays out next fall...we got 3 clubs promoting DA so they need lots of folks and then the other is sticking to the dual roster Mayne less there unless they jump the. DA route. It will be more signification for the DA clubs and the depreciation of those teams unless they poach alot players from the one or others....that's how I see it for now...development for the other 98 percent should improve in the short run that's a good things as a whole for the long haul. I agree w you Mr Classic.

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Post by Big Boy Bentley on 03/05/17, 12:08 pm

We should see alot of this play out in the next year the teams that struggle in LH in theory should be the DA clubs...unless they pull from other clubs...the dual roster format will be standard unless they lose some to the 3 is how I see it playing out....the rec leagues will not be the high priced clubs unless they have money to burn..better to find a rec coach at that point.

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Post by Guest on 03/05/17, 12:15 pm

I posted something similar to El-C a couple of years back. The decline starts around U15, with the big drop-off happening between U16-U17.

Most of it is just HS aged kids figuring out where they want to focus their time and energy as they get older, coupled with a lot of the lower end LH and PPL kids coming to the realization that they aren't going to be starters on their 5A/6A HS teams, let alone playing in college, so they decide the club soccer commitment isn't worth it and they'd rather focus their time and energy elsewhere.

I don't have numbers, but based on my observations (DD is U16, HS Soph), the % ECNL players that drop out of soccer completely is much smaller - 10% or less. A higher % will decide that ECNL wasn't for them and drop to a lower league/level, or even just drop to play HS, but I rarely hear of an ECNL player that completely drops out of competitive soccer before the end of HS. I would expect DA to be similar. Girls may decide DA is not for them after a year or two, and go to ECNL/LH, but they likely won't quit soccer altogether while still in HS.

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