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Post by Justbecause2016 on Tue May 09, 2017 11:56 pm

Dear coaches,
You may want to invest a little time into this.......
http://advancedlifeskills.com/blog/14-very-effective-communication-skills/

P.S. yes I am talking to you.......

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Re: Effective communication!

Post by NTX06Soccer on Wed May 10, 2017 9:10 am

lol Very Happy

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Post by soccertard on Wed May 10, 2017 9:21 am

I'm concerned about #14...not sure where that goes...

And if your coach is not giving them his/her's best smile then it's just a throw away year.
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Post by NoSpinZone on Wed May 10, 2017 10:03 am

Justbecause2016 wrote:Dear coaches,
 You may want to invest a little time into this.......
http://advancedlifeskills.com/blog/14-very-effective-communication-skills/

P.S. yes I am talking to you.......

Uh oh! Little Suzy not getting the love. Try a lower team for some love. Welcome to select soccer!

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Post by jogobonito06 on Wed May 10, 2017 10:09 am

Unsolicited email from a club saying Thanks! for coming out, your spot is assured but we need to know Tonight!!! Even though you never went out there.

Being offered a spot on our "Top Nationally-ranked" team and then told if you don't get PT there, we'll get you time on our "other" team.

Being told "the club" really, really wants you. We don't know which team or coach yet, but we really, really want you.

You mean to tell me that's not effective communication? Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes
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Post by TxFutbal on Wed May 10, 2017 10:15 am

I can only guess which club said all that.. They have to have your money to pay for all those high priced salaries. If you don't have it in writing that your DD is offered a spot on the top team you will play for the team they are trying to build for the coach that kills all the teams he/she ever coached. If if that doesn't do the job, the parents will finish the team off by the end of the season. GO DA!!!!!

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Post by Kessinger on Wed May 10, 2017 10:39 am

I have always wondered how the top clubs would compete in the real business world with their lack of communication and organizational behavior skills. With the exception of one or two of them that at least make a little effort, I believe that rest of them would be laughed out of town.

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Post by go99 on Wed May 10, 2017 11:22 am

oh please!! There wouldn't be as many communication problems if it wasn't for shifty, lying, manipulative parents. How about your kid go into tryouts and practices and get what she earns instead mom and dad trying to "communicate" her a spot and playtime (this isn't directed at anyone in particular)
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Post by newbiefornow on Wed May 10, 2017 11:56 am

go99 has a point.  Sometimes it's the content of the message not the presentation of it that's a problem. No amount of communications training is going to make that an easy or pleasant conversation.  Talent in soccer is pretty subjective and impact varies game to game so in can feel pretty arbitrary. We've been "guided" out of one team into another in the same club and "bounced". In the end it worked out well but it had no reason to.

Deep breath and "may the odds ever be in your favor" . We're 03/02 and it does get better but it's fairly brutal. USSF has significantly contributed to that by making two major changes in three years. What I can say is this can be a great way for a family to learn to cope with situations over which they have relatively little control, work in a team (of parents and kids) where in addition to working together to accomplish shared goals you're competing to be "the best" and where you're getting all kinds of external and internal feedback most of which is in the moment rather than well considered and constructive for your long term development. The learning is not cheap and may be a bit advanced for the age group but there you have it.

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Post by SickofStupidity on Wed May 10, 2017 12:26 pm

TxFutbal wrote:I can only guess which club said all that..  They have to have your money to pay for all those high priced salaries.   If you don't have it in writing that your DD is offered a spot on the top team you will play for the team they are trying to build for the coach that kills all the teams he/she ever coached.  If if that doesn't do the job, the parents will finish the team off by the end of the season.  GO DA!!!!!

Apparently, he doesn't work for that club any more.

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Post by ProudDad1 on Wed May 10, 2017 3:42 pm

TxFutbal wrote:I can only guess which club said all that..  They have to have your money to pay for all those high priced salaries.   If you don't have it in writing that your DD is offered a spot on the top team you will play for the team they are trying to build for the coach that kills all the teams he/she ever coached.  If if that doesn't do the job, the parents will finish the team off by the end of the season.  GO DA!!!!!

Holy crap this is a thing?! "but, but, we're the sister team!"
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Post by TxFutbal on Wed May 10, 2017 4:10 pm

newbiefornow wrote:go99 has a point.  Sometimes it's the content of the message not the presentation of it that's a problem. No amount of communications training is going to make that an easy or pleasant conversation.  Talent in soccer is pretty subjective and impact varies game to game so in can feel pretty arbitrary. We've been "guided" out of one team into another in the same club and "bounced". In the end it worked out well but it had no reason to.

Deep breath and "may the odds ever be in your favor" . We're 03/02 and it does get better but it's fairly brutal. USSF has significantly contributed to that by making two major changes in three years. What I can say is this can be a great way for a family to learn to cope with situations over which they have relatively little control, work in a team (of parents and kids) where in addition to working together to accomplish shared goals you're competing to be "the best" and where you're getting all kinds of external and internal feedback most of which is in the moment rather than well considered and constructive for your long term development. The learning is not cheap and may be a bit advanced for the age group but there you have it.

Basically what you are saying to an 11 year old is "you are on the practice squad and you may never get to actually play with your friends".  If you do play, you will play with the "pool" coach on a lesser "team" that is cobbled together each week.  Kids learn by being in an environment that focuses on consistency.  The great teams learn how to play as a single unit who learns how to communicate verbally and non verbally with her team mates.  You can't just plug and play a kid into a "system" and expect the kid to learn how to actually play soccer.  At the older ages this can happen but only after the kid has developed the communication skills and learns that the team is stronger than the individual.

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Post by yellowcard5 on Wed May 10, 2017 5:02 pm

[quote="TxFutbal"][quote="newbiefornow"]go99 has a point.  Sometimes it's the content of the message not the presentation of it that's a problem. No amount of communications training is going to make that an easy or pleasant conversation.  Talent in soccer is pretty subjective and impact varies game to game so in can feel pretty arbitrary. We've been "guided" out of one team into another in the same club and "bounced". In the end it worked out well but it had no reason to.

Deep breath and "may the odds ever be in your favor" . We're 03/02 and it does get better but it's fairly brutal. USSF has significantly contributed to that by making two major changes in three years. [b]What I can say is this can be a great way for a family to learn to cope with situations over which they have relatively little control, work in a team (of parents and kids) where in addition to working together to accomplish shared goals you're competing to be "the best" and where you're getting all kinds of external and internal feedback most of which is in the moment rather than well considered and constructive for your long term development[/b]. The learning is not cheap and may be a bit advanced for the age group but there you have it.[/quote]

Basically what you are saying to an 11 year old is "you are on the practice squad and you may never get to actually play with your friends".  If you do play, you will play with the "pool" coach on a lesser "team" that is cobbled together each week.  Kids learn by being in an environment that focuses on consistency.  The great teams learn how to play as a single unit who learns how to communicate verbally and non verbally with her team mates.  You can't just plug and play a kid into a "system" and expect the kid to learn how to actually play soccer.  At the older ages this can happen but only after the kid has developed the communication skills and learns that the team is stronger than the individual.[/quote]

Actually, I think USSF looks at it completely the opposite as you are.  First, DA is focused on training, so training with the best players you can day in and day out will make most kids better, no matter what team they are playing games with.  The coach that trains a kid at a high level 6 hours per week far outweighs the coach that is on a sideline for 60 minutes at the weekend.  Training needs to be consistent, with consistent expectations and consistent messages.  Games at the weekend will never be consistent, no matter what level they play.  The ones that can still perform, will be the ones that coaches at higher levels will want to have on their team.  Second, kids get comfortable in an environment that is too consistent and comfortable doesn't produce great talent.  I am not going to completely disagree you on this point, but the good ones, the really good ones, are the ones that enter, adapt and thrive in uncomfortable, inconsistent environments.  Third, you are correct, as we sit right now, it is very difficult to plug a kid of any age into a unfamiliar environment and expect them to succeed.  This is one of the things that the federation is trying to fix.  They do not care about the team, the want to produce players that are capable of walking into a YNT camp with kids they have never played with before and still succeed.  They want to produce kids that can sign with a college, walk in their freshman year and succeed on a team with a coach and teammates they have never seen before.  They want to see (more so on the boys side) players that can walk into the professional environment, with a different coach, different players each week due to squad rotation and different opposition and still succeed.  I'm sorry, but any coach our children play for beyond club soccer isn't going to care that they didn't perform due to the formation, the weather, the teammates being different than what they are used to.

I am not saying any of this to say one thing is wrong and another is right. The great thing about playing here in the US and especially in Texas is that there is always a club and a team that can provide what you and your child is looking for. It is not a one size fits all model and there are plenty of options out there for every level of talent and commitment.


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Post by Guest on Wed May 10, 2017 5:54 pm

Kessinger wrote:I have always wondered how the top clubs would compete in the real business world with their lack of communication and organizational behavior skills.  With the exception of one or two of them that at least make a little effort, I believe that rest of them would be laughed out of town.

I agree 100%.

Forget about effective communication. If you are receiving any communication, you are doing well in NTX soccer.

This isn't the real business world though. Nobody would pay to sign a non-compete in the business world.

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Post by KeeperCommander on Wed May 10, 2017 9:56 pm

Sho'Nuff wrote:
Kessinger wrote:I have always wondered how the top clubs would compete in the real business world with their lack of communication and organizational behavior skills.  With the exception of one or two of them that at least make a little effort, I believe that rest of them would be laughed out of town.

I agree 100%.  

Forget about effective communication.  If you are receiving any communication, you are doing well in NTX soccer.  

This isn't the real business world though.  Nobody would pay to sign a non-compete in the business world.
Might be the most sensible statement on forum to date.

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Post by Bodhisattva on Thu May 11, 2017 11:45 am

go99 wrote:oh please!!  There wouldn't be as many communication problems if it wasn't for shifty, lying, manipulative parents.  How about your kid go into tryouts and practices and get what she earns instead mom and dad trying to "communicate" her a spot and playtime (this isn't directed at anyone in particular)

Agree 100% here. But, I think it works both ways between coaches and parents. I witnessed this a lot the last two weeks at JDL tryouts. Coaches use parents for resources and inside information and parents in turn are awarded a roster spot for their DD. Gone are the days of a true tryout and earned roster spots. It's all about who you know and what can you do for me. Sad for the excited DD that thinks she's qualified.

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Post by TxFutbal on Thu May 11, 2017 12:04 pm

right now what I am seeing is a pure numbers game for the big clubs and which other teams they can blow up from their competitors. offer kids a spot with the club on the 1st tryout as long as they commit to no guest play/other tryouts. This is all fine and dandy as long as the club will tell the DD which team/coach she is playing for but no... the clubs are saying they will assign the kid to her team after she signs her contract. Saw this last year with the '05s so this is just a continuation as the '06s migrate more into the club system. The big 3 are just treating the girls like cattle being led to slaughter. I am beyond disgusted.

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Post by KeeperCommander on Thu May 11, 2017 12:07 pm

TxFutbal wrote:right now what I am seeing is a pure numbers game for the big clubs and which other teams they can blow up from their competitors.  offer kids a spot with the club on the 1st tryout as long as they commit to no guest play/other tryouts.  This is all fine and dandy as long as the club will tell the DD which team/coach she is playing for but no... the clubs are saying they will assign the kid to her team after she signs her contract.  Saw this last year with the '05s so this is just a continuation as the '06s migrate more into the club system.  The big 3 are just treating the girls like cattle being led to slaughter.  I am beyond disgusted.
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Post by go99 on Thu May 11, 2017 12:40 pm

TxFutbal wrote:
newbiefornow wrote:go99 has a point.  Sometimes it's the content of the message not the presentation of it that's a problem. No amount of communications training is going to make that an easy or pleasant conversation.  Talent in soccer is pretty subjective and impact varies game to game so in can feel pretty arbitrary. We've been "guided" out of one team into another in the same club and "bounced". In the end it worked out well but it had no reason to.

Deep breath and "may the odds ever be in your favor" . We're 03/02 and it does get better but it's fairly brutal. USSF has significantly contributed to that by making two major changes in three years. What I can say is this can be a great way for a family to learn to cope with situations over which they have relatively little control, work in a team (of parents and kids) where in addition to working together to accomplish shared goals you're competing to be "the best" and where you're getting all kinds of external and internal feedback most of which is in the moment rather than well considered and constructive for your long term development. The learning is not cheap and may be a bit advanced for the age group but there you have it.

Basically what you are saying to an 11 year old is "you are on the practice squad and you may never get to actually play with your friends".  If you do play, you will play with the "pool" coach on a lesser "team" that is cobbled together each week.  Kids learn by being in an environment that focuses on consistency.  The great teams learn how to play as a single unit who learns how to communicate verbally and non verbally with her team mates.  You can't just plug and play a kid into a "system" and expect the kid to learn how to actually play soccer.  At the older ages this can happen but only after the kid has developed the communication skills and learns that the team is stronger than the individual.

Okay I can help here YOU ARE WRONG!!! accept it, relax in it, become one with it.
You don't get to play with your friends? Make new friends or get better. Nobody owes you a path to glory on the backs of your friends. You tell the 11 yr old to put in the work if he wants to play with and keep up with the top kids. To remember that spot when she is watching tv, playing on snapchat etc. If you want it go get it and stop expecting someone to give it too you.

Next, lesser team? ever stop to think that if you can't get the minutes that is the level you are currently at. You can't look down on the level until you can at least surpass it.

Finally NOBODY cares about great teams. Not the DA, not the national team and not college coaches. This isn't about building top TEAMS it is about building top PLAYERS. If your kid is a product of a SYSTEM she is already done. What is she going to take that SYSTEM to her college with her?

Now with that being said the backroom deals, guarantees, shady dealings, shifty parents and coaches tilting the playing field is all happening right now. NTX soccer is harsh and unfair. It is not the meritocracy it should be, but life's unfair. Stop crying, put on your big girl pants and get to work. Be better than your peers and the rest will take care of itself
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Post by bigrobdsp on Thu May 11, 2017 12:55 pm

Sho'Nuff wrote:
Kessinger wrote:I have always wondered how the top clubs would compete in the real business world with their lack of communication and organizational behavior skills.  With the exception of one or two of them that at least make a little effort, I believe that rest of them would be laughed out of town.

I agree 100%.  

Forget about effective communication.  If you are receiving any communication, you are doing well in NTX soccer.  

This isn't the real business world though.  Nobody would pay to sign a non-compete in the business world.

I have always contented that, when I retire, I could buy a club, run it correctly, and put all of the others out of business. I know I am missing something. I am just sure that someone smarter than me has tried this and failed. BUT, I have never seen a club or team that I am not just convinced that I could run better. I'm just 100% sure that you could make the players (mostly) happy, do whats (mostly) best for the girls, do whats (mostly) best for the coaches, and probably do it all while making more money than any of them do. no way to keep the parents happy, but they keep paying now so I assume they would keep paying then.

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Post by HomeStretch on Thu May 11, 2017 1:43 pm

go99 wrote:
TxFutbal wrote:
newbiefornow wrote:go99 has a point.  Sometimes it's the content of the message not the presentation of it that's a problem. No amount of communications training is going to make that an easy or pleasant conversation.  Talent in soccer is pretty subjective and impact varies game to game so in can feel pretty arbitrary. We've been "guided" out of one team into another in the same club and "bounced". In the end it worked out well but it had no reason to.

Deep breath and "may the odds ever be in your favor" . We're 03/02 and it does get better but it's fairly brutal. USSF has significantly contributed to that by making two major changes in three years. What I can say is this can be a great way for a family to learn to cope with situations over which they have relatively little control, work in a team (of parents and kids) where in addition to working together to accomplish shared goals you're competing to be "the best" and where you're getting all kinds of external and internal feedback most of which is in the moment rather than well considered and constructive for your long term development. The learning is not cheap and may be a bit advanced for the age group but there you have it.

Basically what you are saying to an 11 year old is "you are on the practice squad and you may never get to actually play with your friends".  If you do play, you will play with the "pool" coach on a lesser "team" that is cobbled together each week.  Kids learn by being in an environment that focuses on consistency.  The great teams learn how to play as a single unit who learns how to communicate verbally and non verbally with her team mates.  You can't just plug and play a kid into a "system" and expect the kid to learn how to actually play soccer.  At the older ages this can happen but only after the kid has developed the communication skills and learns that the team is stronger than the individual.

Okay I can help here YOU ARE WRONG!!! accept it, relax in it, become one with it.
You don't get to play with your friends? Make new friends or get better.  Nobody owes you a path to glory on the backs of your friends.  You tell the 11 yr old to put in the work if he wants to play with and keep up with the top kids.  To remember that spot when she is watching tv, playing on snapchat etc.  If you want it go get it and stop expecting someone to give it too you.

Next, lesser team? ever stop to think that if you can't get the minutes that is the level you are currently at.  You can't look down on the level until you can at least surpass it.

Finally NOBODY cares about great teams.  Not the DA, not the national team and not college coaches.  This isn't about building top TEAMS it is about building top PLAYERS.  If your kid is a product of a SYSTEM she is already done.  What is she going to take that SYSTEM to her college with her?  

Now with that being said the backroom deals, guarantees, shady dealings, shifty parents and coaches tilting the playing field is all happening right now.  NTX soccer is harsh and unfair.  It is not the meritocracy it should be, but life's unfair.  Stop crying, put on your big girl pants and get to work.  Be better than your peers and the rest will take care of itself

This is real talk here. Best post Ive seen here in a while. Only thing I'd slightly disagree with is great teams do matter and college coaches do care if a team is stacked with talent. When you see 100+ coaches lining a sideline it's usually because at least one team is considered loaded. It's a lot easier to show well in certain positions on a good team than a bad one, and a great team is going to get a helluva a lot more chances to show what their individual players can do.

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Post by KeeperCommander on Thu May 11, 2017 1:58 pm

bigrobdsp wrote:
Sho'Nuff wrote:
Kessinger wrote:I have always wondered how the top clubs would compete in the real business world with their lack of communication and organizational behavior skills.  With the exception of one or two of them that at least make a little effort, I believe that rest of them would be laughed out of town.

I agree 100%.  

Forget about effective communication.  If you are receiving any communication, you are doing well in NTX soccer.  

This isn't the real business world though.  Nobody would pay to sign a non-compete in the business world.

I have always contented that, when I retire, I could buy a club, run it correctly, and put all of the others out of business. I know I am missing something. I am just sure that someone smarter than me has tried this and failed. BUT, I have never seen a club or team that I am not just convinced that I could run better. I'm just 100% sure that you could make the players (mostly) happy, do whats (mostly) best for the girls, do whats (mostly) best for the coaches, and probably do it all while making more money than any of them do. no way to keep the parents happy, but they keep paying now so I assume they would keep paying then.
First if you do what is best for the players (teaching the correct stuff) then you are probably not going to make the parents happy (winning). scratch

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Post by KeeperCommander on Thu May 11, 2017 2:02 pm

go99 wrote:
TxFutbal wrote:
newbiefornow wrote:go99 has a point.  Sometimes it's the content of the message not the presentation of it that's a problem. No amount of communications training is going to make that an easy or pleasant conversation.  Talent in soccer is pretty subjective and impact varies game to game so in can feel pretty arbitrary. We've been "guided" out of one team into another in the same club and "bounced". In the end it worked out well but it had no reason to.

Deep breath and "may the odds ever be in your favor" . We're 03/02 and it does get better but it's fairly brutal. USSF has significantly contributed to that by making two major changes in three years. What I can say is this can be a great way for a family to learn to cope with situations over which they have relatively little control, work in a team (of parents and kids) where in addition to working together to accomplish shared goals you're competing to be "the best" and where you're getting all kinds of external and internal feedback most of which is in the moment rather than well considered and constructive for your long term development. The learning is not cheap and may be a bit advanced for the age group but there you have it.

Basically what you are saying to an 11 year old is "you are on the practice squad and you may never get to actually play with your friends".  If you do play, you will play with the "pool" coach on a lesser "team" that is cobbled together each week.  Kids learn by being in an environment that focuses on consistency.  The great teams learn how to play as a single unit who learns how to communicate verbally and non verbally with her team mates.  You can't just plug and play a kid into a "system" and expect the kid to learn how to actually play soccer.  At the older ages this can happen but only after the kid has developed the communication skills and learns that the team is stronger than the individual.

Okay I can help here YOU ARE WRONG!!! accept it, relax in it, become one with it.
You don't get to play with your friends? Make new friends or get better.  Nobody owes you a path to glory on the backs of your friends.  You tell the 11 yr old to put in the work if he wants to play with and keep up with the top kids.  To remember that spot when she is watching tv, playing on snapchat etc.  If you want it go get it and stop expecting someone to give it too you.

Next, lesser team? ever stop to think that if you can't get the minutes that is the level you are currently at.  You can't look down on the level until you can at least surpass it.

Finally NOBODY cares about great teams.  Not the DA, not the national team and not college coaches.  This isn't about building top TEAMS it is about building top PLAYERS.  If your kid is a product of a SYSTEM she is already done.  What is she going to take that SYSTEM to her college with her?  

Now with that being said the backroom deals, guarantees, shady dealings, shifty parents and coaches tilting the playing field is all happening right now.  NTX soccer is harsh and unfair.  It is not the meritocracy it should be, but life's unfair.  Stop crying, put on your big girl pants and get to work.  Be better than your peers and the rest will take care of itself
Ehh?!?! Never been one to fully agree with anyone so why start now.

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Re: Effective communication!

Post by TxFutbal on Thu May 11, 2017 2:09 pm

HomeStretch wrote:
go99 wrote:
TxFutbal wrote:
newbiefornow wrote:go99 has a point.  
Okay I can help here YOU ARE WRONG!!! accept it, relax in it, become one with it.
You don't get to play with your friends? Make new friends or get better.  Nobody owes you a path to glory on the backs of your friends.  You tell the 11 yr old to put in the work if he wants to play with and keep up with the top kids.  To remember that spot when she is watching tv, playing on snapchat etc.  If you want it go get it and stop expecting someone to give it too you.

Next, lesser team? ever stop to think that if you can't get the minutes that is the level you are currently at.  You can't look down on the level until you can at least surpass it.

Finally NOBODY cares about great teams.  Not the DA, not the national team and not college coaches.  This isn't about building top TEAMS it is about building top PLAYERS.  If your kid is a product of a SYSTEM she is already done.  What is she going to take that SYSTEM to her college with her?  

Now with that being said the backroom deals, guarantees, shady dealings, shifty parents and coaches tilting the playing field is all happening right now.  NTX soccer is harsh and unfair.  It is not the meritocracy it should be, but life's unfair.  Stop crying, put on your big girl pants and get to work.  Be better than your peers and the rest will take care of itself

This is real talk here. Best post Ive seen here in a while. Only thing I'd slightly disagree with is great teams do matter and college coaches do care if a team is stacked with talent. When you see 100+ coaches lining a sideline it's usually because at least one team is considered loaded. It's a lot easier to show well in certain positions on a good team than a bad one, and a great team is going to get a helluva a lot more chances to show what their individual players can do.

You must not care about your girls/daughter development.  At 10-11 yrs old soccer has much more of a social aspect to it than it does with boys.  I know first hand as I have a son that rose thru the system and is now playing college ball and a DD who is on her journey.  Girls absolutely care who they play with, who their friends are, and what their friends think.  Girls who learn how to communicate, hold each other accountable, and learn how to resolve conflict excel in their adult life.   They also create great atmospheres to maximize their soccer development and provide them the tools to become part of that .1% of the girls that take soccer to the highest levels.  Soccer is not all about skill. Being the best at any sport is more about effective decision management.  Tony Romo vs. Troy Aikman is a perfect example.  

My point is DA is too young for 10-11 yr olds. With US Soccer trying to ruin ECNL, LH, PPL, Primetime you are going to kill the sport for the masses.  Soccer is a great sport and girls arguably play it better than boys.  Please don't ruin it because you are trying a grab power over the clubs that are truly focused on developing the kid vs. developing a soccer android.

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