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Re: Whats the word on Solar/FCD/Texans DA vs ECNL

Post by Son_ofa_Pitch on 15/09/17, 10:21 am

Yes, so far ECNL expenses maybe less but over the length of the year, DA will exceed ECNL expenses.  Heck, San Diego alone for most families alone will be more than 4 driving trips.

DA Showcases:
Fall Showcase - Florida,
Spring Showcase - TBD,
Summer Showcase - San Diego

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Re: Whats the word on Solar/FCD/Texans DA vs ECNL

Post by Cleansheets on 15/09/17, 10:24 am

Bingo!

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Re: Whats the word on Solar/FCD/Texans DA vs ECNL

Post by anothercrazysoccerdad on 15/09/17, 11:07 am

Son_ofa_Pitch wrote:Yes, so far ECNL expenses maybe less but over the length of the year, DA will exceed ECNL expenses.  Heck, San Diego alone for most families alone will be more than 4 driving trips.

DA Showcases:
Fall Showcase - Florida,
Spring Showcase - TBD,
Summer Showcase - San Diego

Last year for my daughter's U16 ECNL team, local club, they attended 3 showcase events, Phoenix, Orlando, and Houston, as well as the ECNL playoffs/end of year event in Chicago.  That is usually a flight to 3 of these events (drove to Houston) although a few drove to these farther events as well.  Plus 3-4 nights hotel and team meals.
If your team made it to the finals in San Diego, see 02 Solar and 01 FCD, they had an additional last minute trip.

They all also had a 3-4 travel trips to Austin, Houston,and Tulsa for league games, drive there, hotels, food, etc.


This year, the DA schedule looks very similar, and right now shows one or two less major travel showcase/playoff event(s)  A little more league travel to CO and KC, but less major trip(s) should be close to a wash.  From what I hear, the lower club fees vary between Solar, Texans, and FCD, but they are less than ECNL club fees this year or last year at all three clubs.


For the younger age groups, most of these clubs will not be as heavy for travel to the showcase events for ECNL, and I am not sure for DA yet.  Example, U14 ECNL year, my daughter's team did not attend any showcase events.  League travel only, and playoffs at the end of the year if you qualify.  
This has been pretty typical of all the local clubs the last few years.

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Re: Whats the word on Solar/FCD/Texans DA vs ECNL

Post by Son_ofa_Pitch on 15/09/17, 11:23 am

anothercrazysoccerdad wrote:
Son_ofa_Pitch wrote:Yes, so far ECNL expenses maybe less but over the length of the year, DA will exceed ECNL expenses.  Heck, San Diego alone for most families alone will be more than 4 driving trips.

DA Showcases:
Fall Showcase - Florida,
Spring Showcase - TBD,
Summer Showcase - San Diego

Last year for my daughter's U16 ECNL team, local club, they attended 3 showcase events, Phoenix, Orlando, and Houston, as well as the ECNL playoffs/end of year event in Chicago.  That is usually a flight to 3 of these events (drove to Houston) although a few drove to these farther events as well.  Plus 3-4 nights hotel and team meals.
If your team made it to the finals in San Diego, see 02 Solar and 01 FCD, they had an additional last minute trip.

They all also had a 3-4 travel trips to Austin, Houston,and Tulsa for league games, drive there, hotels, food, etc.


This year, the DA schedule looks very similar, and right now shows one or two less major travel showcase/playoff event(s)  A little more league travel to CO and KC, but less major trip(s) should be close to a wash.  From what I hear, the lower club fees vary between Solar, Texans, and FCD, but they are less than ECNL club fees this year or last year at all three clubs.


For the younger age groups, most of these clubs will not be as heavy for travel to the showcase events for ECNL, and I am not sure for DA yet.  Example, U14 ECNL year, my daughter's team did not attend any showcase events.  League travel only, and playoffs at the end of the year if you qualify.  
This has been pretty typical of all the local clubs the last few years.

Were these Showcases required or optional? From my understanding, there is not opt out for DA Showcases.
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Re: Whats the word on Solar/FCD/Texans DA vs ECNL

Post by bwgophers on 15/09/17, 11:38 am

Son_ofa_Pitch wrote:
anothercrazysoccerdad wrote:
Son_ofa_Pitch wrote:Yes, so far ECNL expenses maybe less but over the length of the year, DA will exceed ECNL expenses.  Heck, San Diego alone for most families alone will be more than 4 driving trips.

DA Showcases:
Fall Showcase - Florida,
Spring Showcase - TBD,
Summer Showcase - San Diego

Last year for my daughter's U16 ECNL team, local club, they attended 3 showcase events, Phoenix, Orlando, and Houston, as well as the ECNL playoffs/end of year event in Chicago.  That is usually a flight to 3 of these events (drove to Houston) although a few drove to these farther events as well.  Plus 3-4 nights hotel and team meals.
If your team made it to the finals in San Diego, see 02 Solar and 01 FCD, they had an additional last minute trip.

They all also had a 3-4 travel trips to Austin, Houston,and Tulsa for league games, drive there, hotels, food, etc.


This year, the DA schedule looks very similar, and right now shows one or two less major travel showcase/playoff event(s)  A little more league travel to CO and KC, but less major trip(s) should be close to a wash.  From what I hear, the lower club fees vary between Solar, Texans, and FCD, but they are less than ECNL club fees this year or last year at all three clubs.


For the younger age groups, most of these clubs will not be as heavy for travel to the showcase events for ECNL, and I am not sure for DA yet.  Example, U14 ECNL year, my daughter's team did not attend any showcase events.  League travel only, and playoffs at the end of the year if you qualify.  
This has been pretty typical of all the local clubs the last few years.

Were these Showcases required or optional? From my understanding, there is not opt out for DA Showcases.

They aren't optional if the club tells you they are attending...

Those 3 are the logical ones for NTX teams to attend as they have the least conflict with HS season. Some of the 6A/5A districts in the area have gone so far as to not schedule any district games on the Friday of the Houston showcase in February.

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Re: Whats the word on Solar/FCD/Texans DA vs ECNL

Post by PowerKick on 15/09/17, 11:42 am

anothercrazysoccerdad wrote:
Son_ofa_Pitch wrote:Yes, so far ECNL expenses maybe less but over the length of the year, DA will exceed ECNL expenses.  Heck, San Diego alone for most families alone will be more than 4 driving trips.

DA Showcases:
Fall Showcase - Florida,
Spring Showcase - TBD,
Summer Showcase - San Diego

Last year for my daughter's U16 ECNL team, local club, they attended 3 showcase events, Phoenix, Orlando, and Houston, as well as the ECNL playoffs/end of year event in Chicago.  That is usually a flight to 3 of these events (drove to Houston) although a few drove to these farther events as well.  Plus 3-4 nights hotel and team meals.
If your team made it to the finals in San Diego, see 02 Solar and 01 FCD, they had an additional last minute trip.

They all also had a 3-4 travel trips to Austin, Houston,and Tulsa for league games, drive there, hotels, food, etc.


This year, the DA schedule looks very similar, and right now shows one or two less major travel showcase/playoff event(s)  A little more league travel to CO and KC, but less major trip(s) should be close to a wash.  From what I hear, the lower club fees vary between Solar, Texans, and FCD, but they are less than ECNL club fees this year or last year at all three clubs.


For the younger age groups, most of these clubs will not be as heavy for travel to the showcase events for ECNL, and I am not sure for DA yet.  Example, U14 ECNL year, my daughter's team did not attend any showcase events.  League travel only, and playoffs at the end of the year if you qualify.  
This has been pretty typical of all the local clubs the last few years.

Thank you for all good info.

I would like to bring up an issue - For a team younger than U15, doesn't it make any sense to travel 3~4 times a year? That is about $3000~$5000 minimum, for U11/12/13/14?

I know coach's expense is paid by parents, but hello coach, could you consider help to save money for parents? What is the value to play non-competitive tourney in Houston, Austin and Tulsa?

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Re: Whats the word on Solar/FCD/Texans DA vs ECNL

Post by anothercrazysoccerdad on 15/09/17, 11:45 am

Son_ofa_Pitch wrote:
anothercrazysoccerdad wrote:
Son_ofa_Pitch wrote:Yes, so far ECNL expenses maybe less but over the length of the year, DA will exceed ECNL expenses.  Heck, San Diego alone for most families alone will be more than 4 driving trips.

DA Showcases:
Fall Showcase - Florida,
Spring Showcase - TBD,
Summer Showcase - San Diego

Last year for my daughter's U16 ECNL team, local club, they attended 3 showcase events, Phoenix, Orlando, and Houston, as well as the ECNL playoffs/end of year event in Chicago.  That is usually a flight to 3 of these events (drove to Houston) although a few drove to these farther events as well.  Plus 3-4 nights hotel and team meals.
If your team made it to the finals in San Diego, see 02 Solar and 01 FCD, they had an additional last minute trip.

They all also had a 3-4 travel trips to Austin, Houston,and Tulsa for league games, drive there, hotels, food, etc.


This year, the DA schedule looks very similar, and right now shows one or two less major travel showcase/playoff event(s)  A little more league travel to CO and KC, but less major trip(s) should be close to a wash.  From what I hear, the lower club fees vary between Solar, Texans, and FCD, but they are less than ECNL club fees this year or last year at all three clubs.


For the younger age groups, most of these clubs will not be as heavy for travel to the showcase events for ECNL, and I am not sure for DA yet.  Example, U14 ECNL year, my daughter's team did not attend any showcase events.  League travel only, and playoffs at the end of the year if you qualify.  
This has been pretty typical of all the local clubs the last few years.

Were these Showcases required or optional? From my understanding, there is not opt out for DA Showcases.

I think they are optional to some degree, by the coach/club/team/age decision.  There were 5 or 6 ECNL showcase events total, we attended 3.  I think as a member club of ECNL, there is a requirement to attend a minimum # of ECNL events/showcases, etc.  It is likely different per age group.  Our team didn't have an "option", as our coach picked these events for the team to attend.  The club did not have the U14 team attend these same events, too young to be worth the time and money.

I suppose we could have opted out personally from a cost perspective, but then you are missing one of the main reasons to play ECNL, which is playing in front of hundreds of coaches attending these events.  And you are leaving your teammates high and dry for these games.  There were coaches everywhere for these ECNL events, the trick is getting them to your games.  

How will this landscape change over the next few years as DA and ECNL battle it out?  From initial conversations with college coaches and others in the soccer world, it is a little unknown for the first year or two, but most seem to say, "DA is supported by the Federation, so it will eventually win out."  College coaches have limited time and resources, so they will spend most of their time where the majority of the top players are.

Hope this helps.  We have seen some consolidation at the U17 age group from non ECNL clubs to the DA clubs.  However, I'm sure some went the other way too, if they want to play HS, etc.

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Post by soccerjack on 15/09/17, 11:52 am

If DA doesn't charge dues it should be cheaper even with the travel. I don't understand.
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Re: Whats the word on Solar/FCD/Texans DA vs ECNL

Post by PowerKick on 15/09/17, 11:55 am

anothercrazysoccerdad wrote:The club did not have the U14 team attend these same events, too young to be worth the time and money.

Totally agree. Your club is good, do you mind to disclose the club? I am going to send my dd there next year :-) .

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Re: Whats the word on Solar/FCD/Texans DA vs ECNL

Post by anothercrazysoccerdad on 15/09/17, 11:56 am

PowerKick wrote:
anothercrazysoccerdad wrote:
Son_ofa_Pitch wrote:Yes, so far ECNL expenses maybe less but over the length of the year, DA will exceed ECNL expenses.  Heck, San Diego alone for most families alone will be more than 4 driving trips.

DA Showcases:
Fall Showcase - Florida,
Spring Showcase - TBD,
Summer Showcase - San Diego

Last year for my daughter's U16 ECNL team, local club, they attended 3 showcase events, Phoenix, Orlando, and Houston, as well as the ECNL playoffs/end of year event in Chicago.  That is usually a flight to 3 of these events (drove to Houston) although a few drove to these farther events as well.  Plus 3-4 nights hotel and team meals.
If your team made it to the finals in San Diego, see 02 Solar and 01 FCD, they had an additional last minute trip.

They all also had a 3-4 travel trips to Austin, Houston,and Tulsa for league games, drive there, hotels, food, etc.


This year, the DA schedule looks very similar, and right now shows one or two less major travel showcase/playoff event(s)  A little more league travel to CO and KC, but less major trip(s) should be close to a wash.  From what I hear, the lower club fees vary between Solar, Texans, and FCD, but they are less than ECNL club fees this year or last year at all three clubs.


For the younger age groups, most of these clubs will not be as heavy for travel to the showcase events for ECNL, and I am not sure for DA yet.  Example, U14 ECNL year, my daughter's team did not attend any showcase events.  League travel only, and playoffs at the end of the year if you qualify.  
This has been pretty typical of all the local clubs the last few years.

Thank you for all good info.

I would like to bring up an issue - For a team younger than U15, doesn't it make any sense to travel 3~4 times a year? That is about $3000~$5000 minimum, for U11/12/13/14?

I know coach's expense is paid by parents, but hello coach, could you consider help to save money for parents? What is the value to play non-competitive tourney in Houston, Austin and Tulsa?

In my opinion, travel to these events for the younger ages does not make sense. Maybe one for fun.

But, we have seen several local U9, U10, U11, etc teams travel multiple times a year to big tourneys. So, how is this any different?

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Re: Whats the word on Solar/FCD/Texans DA vs ECNL

Post by bwgophers on 15/09/17, 01:09 pm

anothercrazysoccerdad wrote:
PowerKick wrote:
anothercrazysoccerdad wrote:
Son_ofa_Pitch wrote:Yes, so far ECNL expenses maybe less but over the length of the year, DA will exceed ECNL expenses.  Heck, San Diego alone for most families alone will be more than 4 driving trips.

DA Showcases:
Fall Showcase - Florida,
Spring Showcase - TBD,
Summer Showcase - San Diego

Last year for my daughter's U16 ECNL team, local club, they attended 3 showcase events, Phoenix, Orlando, and Houston, as well as the ECNL playoffs/end of year event in Chicago.  That is usually a flight to 3 of these events (drove to Houston) although a few drove to these farther events as well.  Plus 3-4 nights hotel and team meals.
If your team made it to the finals in San Diego, see 02 Solar and 01 FCD, they had an additional last minute trip.

They all also had a 3-4 travel trips to Austin, Houston,and Tulsa for league games, drive there, hotels, food, etc.


This year, the DA schedule looks very similar, and right now shows one or two less major travel showcase/playoff event(s)  A little more league travel to CO and KC, but less major trip(s) should be close to a wash.  From what I hear, the lower club fees vary between Solar, Texans, and FCD, but they are less than ECNL club fees this year or last year at all three clubs.


For the younger age groups, most of these clubs will not be as heavy for travel to the showcase events for ECNL, and I am not sure for DA yet.  Example, U14 ECNL year, my daughter's team did not attend any showcase events.  League travel only, and playoffs at the end of the year if you qualify.  
This has been pretty typical of all the local clubs the last few years.

Thank you for all good info.

I would like to bring up an issue - For a team younger than U15, doesn't it make any sense to travel 3~4 times a year? That is about $3000~$5000 minimum, for U11/12/13/14?

I know coach's expense is paid by parents, but hello coach, could you consider help to save money for parents? What is the value to play non-competitive tourney in Houston, Austin and Tulsa?

In my opinion, travel to these events for the younger ages does not make sense.  Maybe one for fun.

But, we have seen several local U9, U10, U11, etc teams travel multiple times a year to big tourneys.  So, how is this any different?

Pretty sure this was discussed ad nauseum in a thread a few months back that PowerKick participated in... For kids that aspire to play in college, there are benefits to learning how to deal with distractions and avoid fatigue while traveling at an early age so that they can "step off the bus ready to take care of business" in showcases and high-level tournaments. There are also great rewards from a personal/life experience standpoint.

However, I would agree that you definitely don't need to travel more than once or twice a year to accomplish this, and unless the team is one of the top 1 or 2 teams in NTX, there likely isn't any need (other than ego) to travel to for the sake of finding competition.

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Post by soccerjack on 15/09/17, 01:21 pm

The real question is will DA ever be significantly less dues wise. If the clubs got everyone to pay whatever dues amount minus a $500-$1k discount, why would they ever try and Lower it from there?
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Post by SantaFe on 15/09/17, 02:11 pm



"... I recently watched an '04 DA team soundly (I use 'soundly' occasionally when the winning team doesn't allow a shot on goal) beat the 1st and 2nd place LH D1 '02 teams. "

Which teams are you referring to? 2016-2017 LHGCL teams 1st and 2nd?

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Post by KeeperCommander on 15/09/17, 02:29 pm

soccerjack wrote:The real question is will DA ever be significantly less dues wise.  If the clubs got everyone to pay whatever dues amount minus a $500-$1k discount, why would they ever try and Lower it from there?
I do believe it will become nearly fully funded. Now will it stay that way with a boys and girls side DA? Good question. Clearly it was supposed to be at the onset, but was always told to us parents that inquired it would be fully funded within a couple years. Perhaps the question still lingers which clubs can financially make that happen over the long haul.
Will a fully funded DA drive ECNL to become less expensive?
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Post by BigErn on 15/09/17, 02:52 pm

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"... I recently watched an '04 DA team soundly (I use 'soundly' occasionally when the winning team doesn't allow a shot on goal) beat the 1st and 2nd place LH D1 '02 teams.  "

Which teams are you referring to?  2016-2017 LHGCL teams 1st and 2nd?  

Solar Nazier and Sparta.  Could be wrong but I thought I saw/heard that those two were 1-2 in '02 LH D1 with only 1 loss combined all last year.

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Post by soccerjack on 15/09/17, 04:22 pm

KeeperCommander wrote:
soccerjack wrote:The real question is will DA ever be significantly less dues wise.  If the clubs got everyone to pay whatever dues amount minus a $500-$1k discount, why would they ever try and Lower it from there?
I do believe it will become nearly fully funded.  Now will it stay that way with a boys and girls side DA?  Good question.  Clearly it was supposed to be at the onset, but was always told to us parents that inquired it would be fully funded within a couple years.  Perhaps the question still lingers which clubs can financially make that happen over the long haul.  
Will a fully funded DA drive ECNL to become less expensive?

You may be right but Greed usually trumps development on the macro level of club soccer and a precedent has been set....I'd put my money on the knuckleheads keeping their hands out....little embezzlement here and there some coach hanky panky on the road.....pretty much soccer as usual....except with way more development and the biggest kids in each age group.
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Post by BigErn on 15/09/17, 04:34 pm

soccerjack wrote:
KeeperCommander wrote:
soccerjack wrote:The real question is will DA ever be significantly less dues wise.  If the clubs got everyone to pay whatever dues amount minus a $500-$1k discount, why would they ever try and Lower it from there?
I do believe it will become nearly fully funded.  Now will it stay that way with a boys and girls side DA?  Good question.  Clearly it was supposed to be at the onset, but was always told to us parents that inquired it would be fully funded within a couple years.  Perhaps the question still lingers which clubs can financially make that happen over the long haul.  
Will a fully funded DA drive ECNL to become less expensive?

You may be right but Greed usually trumps development on the macro level of club soccer and a precedent has been set....I'd put my money on the knuckleheads keeping their hands out....little embezzlement here and there some coach hanky panky on the road.....pretty much soccer as usual....except with way more development and the biggest kids in each age group.

Shucks jack -- The absurd amount of negativity directed towards an entity you have no experience with, and clearly little knowledge of, is becoming borderline pathetic Neutral

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Post by soccerjack on 15/09/17, 04:57 pm

BigErn wrote:
soccerjack wrote:
KeeperCommander wrote:
soccerjack wrote:The real question is will DA ever be significantly less dues wise.  If the clubs got everyone to pay whatever dues amount minus a $500-$1k discount, why would they ever try and Lower it from there?
I do believe it will become nearly fully funded.  Now will it stay that way with a boys and girls side DA?  Good question.  Clearly it was supposed to be at the onset, but was always told to us parents that inquired it would be fully funded within a couple years.  Perhaps the question still lingers which clubs can financially make that happen over the long haul.  
Will a fully funded DA drive ECNL to become less expensive?

You may be right but Greed usually trumps development on the macro level of club soccer and a precedent has been set....I'd put my money on the knuckleheads keeping their hands out....little embezzlement here and there some coach hanky panky on the road.....pretty much soccer as usual....except with way more development and the biggest kids in each age group.

Shucks jack -- The absurd amount of negativity directed towards an entity you have no experience with, and clearly little knowledge of, is becoming borderline pathetic Neutral

Not really e. Pretty obvious a bunch of knuckleheads are over most of soccer. I know rational business decisions probably fly by you pretty easily. Kind of like the English in GB. They're kind of clueless and let their overblown egos make them look like an arse. That's why the Irish, scots and welsh can't stand them. Don't be an Englishman ern.
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Re: Whats the word on Solar/FCD/Texans DA vs ECNL

Post by BigErn on 15/09/17, 05:46 pm

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soccerjack wrote:The real question is will DA ever be significantly less dues wise.  If the clubs got everyone to pay whatever dues amount minus a $500-$1k discount, why would they ever try and Lower it from there?
I do believe it will become nearly fully funded.  Now will it stay that way with a boys and girls side DA?  Good question.  Clearly it was supposed to be at the onset, but was always told to us parents that inquired it would be fully funded within a couple years.  Perhaps the question still lingers which clubs can financially make that happen over the long haul.  
Will a fully funded DA drive ECNL to become less expensive?

You may be right but Greed usually trumps development on the macro level of club soccer and a precedent has been set....I'd put my money on the knuckleheads keeping their hands out....little embezzlement here and there some coach hanky panky on the road.....pretty much soccer as usual....except with way more development and the biggest kids in each age group.

Shucks jack -- The absurd amount of negativity directed towards an entity you have no experience with, and clearly little knowledge of, is becoming borderline pathetic Neutral

Not really e. Pretty obvious a bunch of knuckleheads are over most of soccer. I know rational business decisions probably fly by you pretty easily.  Kind of like the English in GB. They're kind of clueless and let their overblown egos make them look like an arse. That's why the Irish, scots and welsh can't stand them. Don't be an Englishman ern.

Thanks again jack ...

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Re: Whats the word on Solar/FCD/Texans DA vs ECNL

Post by Medicine Man on 10/10/17, 08:00 pm

Any way you slice and dice this comparison is a lot less pocket change for the slots in Vegas. Someone not happy at home while the other is working the streets.

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Post by Philo Beddoe on 11/10/17, 09:34 pm

Medicine Man wrote:Any way you slice and dice this comparison is a lot less pocket change for the slots in Vegas. Someone not happy at home while the other is working the streets.

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