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Re: LH 05 Girls D3 Qualifying

Post by DDdadof1 on 18/07/17, 10:26 pm

Agreed. Looking at the seeding it seems very off but I guess that's why you play the game.

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Re: LH 05 Girls D3 Qualifying

Post by Morekick on 18/07/17, 10:34 pm

How does it seem off?

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Post by ForReal on 18/07/17, 11:24 pm

Morekick wrote:How does it seem off?

Seriously? So many ways. For starters, LH just automatically gives top seeds to relegated or former teams regardless of why they might be going through QT again. See FCD East by way of example. Lost best players, stunk it up at TUT. Get the No. 1 seed.

LH thinks so highly of their teams, they can't admit that PPL or PT teams could possibly be better. USA dominated PPL and fared well against LH teams when they got the chance. And explain how McKinney is No 4 seed v USA at 14? Can't be done.

I could go on and on. Not sure why LH wouldn't wait for TUT results.


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Re: LH 05 Girls D3 Qualifying

Post by Triumph FC on 19/07/17, 05:28 am

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Morekick wrote:How does it seem off?

Seriously?  So many ways. For starters, LH just automatically gives top seeds to relegated or former teams regardless of why they might be going through QT again. See FCD East by way of example. Lost best players, stunk it up at TUT. Get the No. 1 seed.

LH thinks so highly of their teams, they can't admit that PPL or PT teams could possibly be better. USA dominated PPL and fared well against LH teams when they got the chance. And explain how McKinney is No 4 seed v USA at 14?  Can't be done.

I could go on and on. Not sure why LH wouldn't wait for TUT results.


Couldn't agree more. The USA team probably should be the #1 seed. FCD East needed to have 75% of their roster to keep the bye in D1 but them being in QT's signals that they don't, results in Tut signals they don't even have 50%! Waco are seeded about right because you can be sure, unless girls quit soccer no one is leaving their team and going to another, nothing is close to Waco. Seeding could have been thought through much better, some teams are screwed. I still picked my 3 without even looking at brackets because I believe the good teams will rise to the top.
On another note with Tut (and Puma for that matter) now being so close to QT's I'm not certain it's beneficial to play. In Tut you are guaranteed 4 games so the players will be on empty gas tanks. With teams starting, I believe as early as this Wednesday  how do you refuel the players? There is absolutely no chance to recover! 7 games in 8 days is madness. The pros do not play 2 games in 2 days so why should we subject the players to that schedule? Think about successful teams, they go on to round 2 so 10 games in 15 days! Doesn't sound very good does it. Even at 6 games in 15 days isn't the best but taking off 4 games from their schedule are the teams at an advantage? Will they have fresher players? Without a doubt they will unless the coach is doing crazy practice schedules and the players will be running on empty anyway. DH is a very smart and knowledgeable coach, no Tut and no crazy schedules he will have the freshest team in QT just watch
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Re: LH 05 Girls D3 Qualifying

Post by Morekick on 19/07/17, 09:28 pm

ForReal wrote:
Morekick wrote:How does it seem off?

Seriously?  So many ways. For starters, LH just automatically gives top seeds to relegated or former teams regardless of why they might be going through QT again. See FCD East by way of example. Lost best players, stunk it up at TUT. Get the No. 1 seed.

LH thinks so highly of their teams, they can't admit that PPL or PT teams could possibly be better. USA dominated PPL and fared well against LH teams when they got the chance. And explain how McKinney is No 4 seed v USA at 14?  Can't be done.

I could go on and on. Not sure why LH wouldn't wait for TUT results.


I don't see USA having any problems in round one. I would wager their seed is much improved in round 2.

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Post by ForReal on 20/07/17, 10:22 pm

ForReal wrote:That USA is a 14 seed out of 16 is unreal. I hope they wipe the floor and prove to LH that, just because they played in Plano last year, they're still a very good team that belongs in LH.

IMO, if this team was in LH last year, we'd be talking about whether they would have been promoted to D2.

Happy for USA. Did you see that, LH? Your 14 (of 16) seed just beat your 3 seed 6-0. 6-0. Unreal. Just because Solar was in your league last year doesn't mean they deserved a high seed.

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Re: LH 05 Girls D3 Qualifying

Post by Udontseeme on 21/07/17, 07:25 am

If your team is good, as USA was, then seeding doesn't matter. Relegated teams always get top seed. Whats LH supposed to do, sit down and say oh that FCD team lost little Bobbie Sue and she was a great center mid, lets drop them down to a 12 seed. Doesn't make sense. Rosters change year by year nothing new there. At the end of the day, The relegated teams qualified and played in D3 last year, thus they get top seed this year. Just because someone scored a ton of goals against Unicorns United FC in a lower league doesn't mean they jump to the top. The whole point of QT is to prove your teams deserve to be in LH. USA did that last night. Move along people, nothing to see here.............
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Re: LH 05 Girls D3 Qualifying

Post by Triumph FC on 21/07/17, 08:20 am

Yes agreed no need to gloat but I think the previous poster was pointing out that even putting the LH teams first in seeding (I agree as no one knows who they lost) that USA should be seeded higher than McKinney. That for even someone who only wanted to spend 2 minutes researching was right there in front in their eyes. Everyone else in the know do not need to say I told you so.
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Re: LH 05 Girls D3 Qualifying

Post by ForReal on 21/07/17, 09:10 am

It's not gloating. It's irritation. Yes, I expect LH to sit down and look at recent results, number of returning players, etc. In fact, LH asks for this very information when teams register. LH acts like it actually cares to see the best teams qualify and then does nothing to study the teams for proper seeding.

USA will be fine, but what about that team that gets put into a tough bracket and doesn't advance simply because LH doesn't care? Or, what about the age groups where there is no second weekend?


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Re: LH 05 Girls D3 Qualifying

Post by Triumph FC on 21/07/17, 09:15 am

That's why I picked my 3 teams to get in WITHOUT even checking the brackets because good teams will play their way in leaving others to complain about seeding
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Re: LH 05 Girls D3 Qualifying

Post by Udontseeme on 21/07/17, 09:21 am

If you are sitting around tearing up and waiting for LH to "care" about a team that came in 3rd in Plano last season you better break out the snickers, cause your gonna be there a while. At the end of the day If you cant make it out of your bracket then you certainly cant make it in the league. if you have already made it in the league then you have proven a lot more then a Plano team that did well in TUT. Thus relegated teams have a higher seed. End of story.
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Re: LH 05 Girls D3 Qualifying

Post by ForReal on 21/07/17, 09:27 am

Spoken like a true LH rep.

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Re: LH 05 Girls D3 Qualifying

Post by Udontseeme on 21/07/17, 09:32 am

Hahahahahahaha, everyone needs a dose of reality.... maybe even a double dose.

Some teams are Classic League teams, some teams are Plano teams, if you feel your DD is classic league level, then go find the team to help her achieve that.

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Re: LH 05 Girls D3 Qualifying

Post by dadof3 on 21/07/17, 09:36 am

I think you are both right to a certain extent. The LH seeding can be questionable AND it can be the difference IMO between qualifying and not qualifying, but the best teams usually rise anyway...the second weekend usually ensures that to a greater degree.

The issue is that when you see three of the top teams in one pool, and three teams that are weaker in one pool, one of the strong will NOT advance, and one of the weak WILL.

Overall, it seems to even out, but getting set back a year due to a wonky seed really sucks.

When my oldest was in QT years back, they got a bum seed...tied the two strong teams...and got out pointed on GA...the two teams that were in their bracket BOTH made LH and both finished top 4 in D3...mine played in PPL. They learned how to score more goals...learned how to win close games...now play in LH D1 and finished top 4 last year.

Learning the perseverance was more valuable than any soccer match, and though there was some heartbreak, there was also immense growth. It sucks to lose, but to watch them progress from PPL 2, to PPL 1, then LH, 3, 2, 1 has been awesome.

Now that my youngest is going through QT (again), I watch her fire...two-a-days, then coming home and doing 500 more sit ups (nightly) on her own...extra running, extra shooting practice...I am hopeful, and I think they can do it, but if they fall short, it is not the end of the world.

There are bigger things at stake than a league...the cliche "life lessons" are real and fading in our world. These girls need to see what it truly means to put everything in, and sometimes it isn't enough...so try again.

Of course, I say this because our bracket looks fair, before our games start, and before the ref decides the game on bad calls Very Happy.
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Re: LH 05 Girls D3 Qualifying

Post by ForReal on 21/07/17, 10:48 am

My comments could be construed as whining if I had a dog in the hunt.  I don't.  Just following and know enough about most of these teams that I could have seeded this much more appropriately if given 5-10 minutes.

Dadof3 gets my point, when he says:

dadof3 wrote:
The issue is that when you see three of the top teams in one pool, and three teams that are weaker in one pool, one of the strong will NOT advance, and one of the weak WILL.

Overall, it seems to even out, but getting set back a year due to a wonky seed really sucks.

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Post by dadof3 on 21/07/17, 11:18 am

ForReal wrote:My comments could be construed as whining if I had a dog in the hunt.  I don't.  Just following and know enough about most of these teams that I could have seeded this much more appropriately if given 5-10 minutes.

Dadof3 gets my point, when he says:

dadof3 wrote:
The issue is that when you see three of the top teams in one pool, and three teams that are weaker in one pool, one of the strong will NOT advance, and one of the weak WILL.

Overall, it seems to even out, but getting set back a year due to a wonky seed really sucks.

Yup. LH does give a nod of favor to the LH teams that were relegated...they take the top spot and then go down the line...then (ideally) the top PPL team is bracketed with the last place LH team and it snakes back through. If the QT is ONE weekend, this really sucks as only 1 team will advance...if it is a two weekend affair (which also sucks-but for different reasons-100-110 degrees), one game doesn't necessarily kill your chance. When the top 2 teams advance per bracket, at least you can regroup and shore up any issues you saw from the first weekend...and like Triumph stated, the cream will rise at that point.

Though I don't prefer two weekends of scorching heat, it does make the sample a little larger, and it provides a better chance for the best teams to overcome ONE bad game, call, injury etc.
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Post by ForReal on 21/07/17, 11:21 am

Yes, at least LH has started seeding the 2nd weekend according to 1st weekend results. They didn't use to even do that.

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Post by IAmSoccerfan on 21/07/17, 12:20 pm

ForReal wrote:
ForReal wrote:That USA is a 14 seed out of 16 is unreal. I hope they wipe the floor and prove to LH that, just because they played in Plano last year, they're still a very good team that belongs in LH.

IMO, if this team was in LH last year, we'd be talking about whether they would have been promoted to D2.

Happy for USA. Did you see that, LH?  Your 14 (of 16) seed just beat your 3 seed 6-0.  6-0. Unreal. Just because Solar was in your league last year doesn't mean they deserved a high seed.

Watched the USA v Solar game last night. I have to say I was expecting to see a better game. USA clearly the better team. Not sure why they weren't in LH last season. Doesn't matter where they were seeded, they will be just fine. Speed and skill kills.
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Re: LH 05 Girls D3 Qualifying

Post by dadof3 on 21/07/17, 12:24 pm

ForReal wrote:Yes, at least LH has started seeding the 2nd weekend according to 1st weekend results.  They didn't use to even do that.

True, and talk about having unbalanced brackets...and the scenario as posted above-a strong bracket where 3 teams were even and a weak bracket where none of the teams would have survived the other one...
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Post by therightpass18 on 21/07/17, 12:50 pm

What is your issue with McKinney? USA should have been a 1 seed, so they are improperly behind 12-13 teams, but you have mentioned McKinney like 3 times. McKinney is a small independent club that has like, what, 3 teams? No question USA should have been a 1 seed, but McKinney was also undefeated in Plano last season I think, so whats your beef?


Triumph FC wrote:http://events.gotsport.com/events/resultsgrid.aspx?EventID=60629&GroupID=649186

It's all to do with the results grid
I can't believe they were not ranked higher than McKinney!
So 1 seed is in Bracket A
2 in Bracket B and so on

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Post by Triumph FC on 21/07/17, 03:41 pm

From me absolutely no beef with McKinney at all. They deserved their seed. All I said was wherever McKinney was USA should be higher has nothing to do with the team. If you look at my picks I have them and USA in there along with Celtic, none of which played in LH last year. So beef against McKinney not at all
See I actually Mentioned McKinney twice, opps 3 times now. Look at it another way look at how many plugs I'm giving the team
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Post by therightpass18 on 21/07/17, 11:05 pm

Okay.

Saw McKinney Friday evening. Looked deeper and better than I remember them but not on the level USA is once they reach D3.

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Post by Foxysoccermom on 22/07/17, 12:22 am

therightpass18 wrote:What is your issue with McKinney? USA should have been a 1 seed, so they are improperly behind 12-13 teams, but you have mentioned McKinney like 3 times. McKinney is a small independent club that has like, what, 3 teams? No question USA should have been a 1 seed, but McKinney was also undefeated in Plano last season I think, so whats your beef?


Triumph FC wrote:http://events.gotsport.com/events/resultsgrid.aspx?EventID=60629&GroupID=649186

It's all to do with the results grid
I can't believe they were not ranked higher than McKinney!
So 1 seed is in Bracket A
2 in Bracket B and so on



Ohhhh geez. Most people pull for indies. Until an overzealous parent posts something like this. Go play a d-1 team or an ecnl team...then report back. Let the kids enjoy qt and their accomplishments. Who cares if it's watered down. Mckinney..mckinney...mckinney...

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Post by KeeperCommander on 22/07/17, 10:17 pm

therightpass18 wrote:Okay.

Saw McKinney Friday evening. Looked deeper and better than I remember them but not on the level USA is once they reach D3.
Wait. You went to a McKinney game on purpose not once but twice?

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Post by Foxysoccermom on 22/07/17, 10:39 pm

KeeperCommander wrote:
therightpass18 wrote:Okay.

Saw McKinney Friday evening. Looked deeper and better than I remember them but not on the level USA is once they reach D3.
Wait. You went to a McKinney game on purpose not once but twice?

They were undefeated last season. Quit bagging on them.

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Post by KeeperCommander on 22/07/17, 10:45 pm

Who's bagging on them.

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