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Re: Talent Pool

Post by Zizou on 12/07/17, 08:31 am

GDA will be more effective 1. with eventually removing or considerably reducing the pay to play model. 2. 2019 FCD should get the women WPL bid giving players more than one option to further their soccer careers. 3. Intensive training and development for those players that choose to play just soccer. My opinion, DA gives players a training model preparing them for national team and international play. While trying to remove the pay to play model. The DA model at the younger ages will be useful to identify players earlier and earlier promoting them faster into the system.

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Post by Zizou on 12/07/17, 08:33 am

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Zizou wrote:Wow, that comment was insensitive and completely un called for!
Do you need a safe space? Or can we get back to the actual thread?

Nope, just pointing out how insensitive and un called for your comment was. This is a board for soccer comments and sure a little razzing is excepted, but this one was a bit over the top ,in my opinion.


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Post by TatonkaBurger on 12/07/17, 08:40 am

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Shouldn't the question be, "Do the three DA teams have the best 3 coaches in NTX?" Because as far as I know the coaches still develop the players.

There it is.  That is the only thing worth considering in this thread because everything else is pure speculation about a new league and how it will affect another league.

Here is the kicker.  These coaches are all the same.  They have been here for years and have a track record (some good, some mediocre and some bad).  The DA is not sending highly touted coaches to NTX to take over teams and to develop our DDs and get them on the USWNT.  We are playing with the same deck and just because they wear a new patch it doesn't mean they are better coaches.  That's where the pressure is and I am not convinced they can deliver any more than they have been able to in ECNL based on that track record. That is where the 3-5 year timeframe comes in.
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Post by Zizou on 12/07/17, 08:46 am

Solar- AS,MS,CP,DM excellent coach, FCD- KR,MG,BW and his father recently added Texans- ? Two out of the three clubs had pretty good years in all age groups. It seems, at this point we are heading in the right direction.

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Post by tpitty on 12/07/17, 08:59 am

TatonkaBurger wrote:
db10 wrote:
Shouldn't the question be, "Do the three DA teams have the best 3 coaches in NTX?" Because as far as I know the coaches still develop the players.

There it is.  That is the only thing worth considering in this thread because everything else is pure speculation about a new league and how it will affect another league.

Here is the kicker.  These coaches are all the same.  They have been here for years and have a track record (some good, some mediocre and some bad).  The DA is not sending highly touted coaches to NTX to take over teams and to develop our DDs and get them on the USWNT.  We are playing with the same deck and just because they wear a new patch it doesn't mean they are better coaches.  That's where the pressure is and I am not convinced they can deliver any more than they have been able to in ECNL based on that track record.  That is where the 3-5 year timeframe comes in.

TB- a couple of small caveats. The coaches actually are given a curriculum to follow.The coaches have reports they must complete and send to the technical trainers, and scouts actually come and monitor the coaches during sessions. So the accountability is higher for everyone involved. Not saying this makes bad coaches good, but if coaches who are properly licensed/trained to be there are being monitored, it does make it a more visible situation.

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Post by TatonkaBurger on 12/07/17, 09:42 am

tpitty wrote:
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Shouldn't the question be, "Do the three DA teams have the best 3 coaches in NTX?" Because as far as I know the coaches still develop the players.

There it is.  That is the only thing worth considering in this thread because everything else is pure speculation about a new league and how it will affect another league.

Here is the kicker.  These coaches are all the same.  They have been here for years and have a track record (some good, some mediocre and some bad).  The DA is not sending highly touted coaches to NTX to take over teams and to develop our DDs and get them on the USWNT.  We are playing with the same deck and just because they wear a new patch it doesn't mean they are better coaches.  That's where the pressure is and I am not convinced they can deliver any more than they have been able to in ECNL based on that track record.  That is where the 3-5 year timeframe comes in.

TB-  a couple of small caveats. The coaches actually are given a curriculum to follow.The coaches have reports they must complete and send to the technical trainers, and scouts actually come and monitor the coaches during sessions.  So the accountability is higher for everyone involved. Not saying this makes bad coaches good, but if coaches who are properly licensed/trained to be there are being monitored, it does make it a more visible situation.

I completely understand the accountability mechanism.  Will ego get in the way of being told what to do and how to do it?   Time will tell I guess.
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Post by HomeStretch on 12/07/17, 09:55 am

Tpitty thats not a small caveat IMO. The joystick coaches constantly screaming instructions all game and yanking players whenever they make minor mistakes would have to adjust in a system requiring coach accountability. Platoon style is toast when u move to international rules. Just one of several reasons Im saying DA is not the same product with better marketing( as ecnl was to usys).  

The DA format is not club centered...it's more player centered and international game centered....likely the main reason you see so many revenue first clubs pushed back against it. The license requirements also form a barrier for the daddy coaches.

Has to be a reason many of the best coaches will be found in DA next year... and I suspect increasingly going forward. Would love to see USSF reward the coaching talent feet just assembled with a DA spot. They would be more aligned than Sting would with USSF's stated approach anyway. All USSF needs to do is up the money they're willing to invest in girls DA...if Ecnl retains any traction I suspect they will.

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Post by Zizou on 12/07/17, 10:04 am

Damn, coaching accountability is much needed in NTX. Huge caviat! Reducing the number of rogue coaches and clubs working with those players deemed elite.

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Post by Zizou on 12/07/17, 10:07 am

HomeStretch wrote:Tpitty thats not a small caveat IMO. The joystick coaches constantly screaming instructions all game and yanking players whenever they make minor mistakes would have to adjust in a system requiring coach accountability. Platoon style is toast when u move to international rules.  Just one of several reasons Im saying DA is not the same product with better marketing( as ecnl was to usys).  

The DA format is not club centered...it's more player centered and  international game centered....likely the main reason you see so many revenue first clubs pushed back against it. The license requirements also form a barrier for the daddy coaches.

Has to be a reason many of the best coaches will be found in DA next year... and I suspect increasingly going forward. Would love to see USSF reward the coaching talent feet just assembled with a DA spot. They would be more aligned than Sting would with USSF's stated approach anyway. All USSF needs to do is up the money they're willing to invest in girls DA...if Ecnl retains any traction I suspect they will.


I can tell you straight from the horses mouth Sting's TP was not interested in the paperwork, accountability, nor being told by anyone how to coach.

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Post by 5050Ball on 12/07/17, 10:13 am

Zizou wrote:
HomeStretch wrote:Tpitty thats not a small caveat IMO. The joystick coaches constantly screaming instructions all game and yanking players whenever they make minor mistakes would have to adjust in a system requiring coach accountability. Platoon style is toast when u move to international rules.  Just one of several reasons Im saying DA is not the same product with better marketing( as ecnl was to usys).  

The DA format is not club centered...it's more player centered and  international game centered....likely the main reason you see so many revenue first clubs pushed back against it. The license requirements also form a barrier for the daddy coaches.

Has to be a reason many of the best coaches will be found in DA next year... and I suspect increasingly going forward. Would love to see USSF reward the coaching talent feet just assembled with a DA spot. They would be more aligned than Sting would with USSF's stated approach anyway. All USSF needs to do is up the money they're willing to invest in girls DA...if Ecnl retains any traction I suspect they will.


I can tell you straight from the horses mouth Sting's TP was not interested in the paperwork, accountability, nor being told by anyone how to coach.

He's not alone in that sentiment. The difference is he won't have to worry about it.
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Post by Cleansheets on 12/07/17, 10:22 am

Zizou wrote:Solar- AS,MS,CP,DM excellent coach, FCD- KR,MG,BW and his father recently added Texans- ? Two out of the three clubs had pretty good years in all age groups. It seems, at this point we are heading in the right direction.
No love for the Texans coaches huh Z? So KR, JF and the head dog HN are chopped liver.

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Post by db10 on 12/07/17, 10:29 am

HomeStretch wrote:Tpitty thats not a small caveat IMO. The joystick coaches constantly screaming instructions all game and yanking players whenever they make minor mistakes would have to adjust in a system requiring coach accountability. Platoon style is toast when u move to international rules.  Just one of several reasons Im saying DA is not the same product with better marketing( as ecnl was to usys).  

The DA format is not club centered...it's more player centered and  international game centered....likely the main reason you see so many revenue first clubs pushed back against it. The license requirements also form a barrier for the daddy coaches.

Has to be a reason many of the best coaches will be found in DA next year... and I suspect increasingly going forward. Would love to see USSF reward the coaching talent feet just assembled with a DA spot. They would be more aligned than Sting would with USSF's stated approach anyway. All USSF needs to do is up the money they're willing to invest in girls DA...if Ecnl retains any traction I suspect they will.
Would you mind sharing which "revenue first" clubs pushed back? Obviously the list is extensive.

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Re: Talent Pool

Post by tpitty on 12/07/17, 10:37 am

Cleansheets wrote:
Zizou wrote:Solar- AS,MS,CP,DM excellent coach, FCD- KR,MG,BW and his father recently added Texans- ? Two out of the three clubs had pretty good years in all age groups. It seems, at this point we are heading in the right direction.
No love for the Texans coaches huh Z? So KR, JF and the head dog HN are chopped liver.

Not gonna look up all the names by first and last initial, but Hassan is a really good coach in my opinion. My kiddo(s) haven't been in sessions with him yet, but I have watched him train on numerous occasions and I learned quite a bit.

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Post by Guest on 12/07/17, 10:49 am

Zizou wrote:Solar- AS,MS,CP,DM excellent coach, FCD- KR,MG,BW and his father recently added Texans- ? Two out of the three clubs had pretty good years in all age groups. It seems, at this point we are heading in the right direction.

...and all of this time, y'all thought the only thing I was good for was publishing rankings of 10 yr girls soccer teams, NTSSA and LHGCL by-law interpretations, and useless mind-numbing obscure pop-culture references...

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Post by Zizou on 12/07/17, 11:14 am

BW, that's funny! You truly are the forum! Keep up the good work.

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Post by KeeperCommander on 12/07/17, 11:16 am

Zizou wrote:GDA will be more effective 1. with eventually removing or considerably reducing the pay to play model. 2. 2019 FCD should get the women WPL bid giving players more than one option to further their soccer careers. 3. Intensive training and development for those players that choose to play just soccer. My opinion, DA gives players a training model preparing them for national team and international play. While trying to remove the pay to play model. The DA model at the younger ages will be useful to identify players earlier and earlier promoting them faster into the system.
1.One way to look at the money aspect of it I guess is the effectiveness. On the other hand in my opinion it would just more inclusive. By that I mean it would not be so selective based on paying. 2. Prob true 3. The difference isn't new or innovative it will just be more in tune with one another. Not 10 different voices per se. The model isn't new to many players either. Many coaches were already applying it to their clubs or teams. Where you will see the biggest difference will be the younger ages.

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Post by Zizou on 12/07/17, 11:17 am

Cleansheets wrote:
Zizou wrote:Solar- AS,MS,CP,DM excellent coach, FCD- KR,MG,BW and his father recently added Texans- ? Two out of the three clubs had pretty good years in all age groups. It seems, at this point we are heading in the right direction.
No love for the Texans coaches huh Z? So KR, JF and the head dog HN are chopped liver.

Sorry, I don't have any experience with Texans. I wouldn't even know where to start with that group. Sounds like you are in the know when it comes to Texans sooooo talk it up.

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Post by KeeperCommander on 12/07/17, 11:19 am

Zizou wrote:
KeeperCommander wrote:
Zizou wrote:Wow, that comment was insensitive and completely un called for!
Do you need a safe space? Or can we get back to the actual thread?

Nope, just pointing out how insensitive and un called for your comment was. This is a board for soccer comments and sure a little razzing is excepted, but this one was a bit over the top ,in my opinion.
Yes it is Z, I expect you to not get into it with BBB anymore. No need for that on here.

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Post by KeeperCommander on 12/07/17, 11:26 am

tpitty wrote:
TatonkaBurger wrote:
db10 wrote:
Shouldn't the question be, "Do the three DA teams have the best 3 coaches in NTX?" Because as far as I know the coaches still develop the players.

There it is.  That is the only thing worth considering in this thread because everything else is pure speculation about a new league and how it will affect another league.

Here is the kicker.  These coaches are all the same.  They have been here for years and have a track record (some good, some mediocre and some bad).  The DA is not sending highly touted coaches to NTX to take over teams and to develop our DDs and get them on the USWNT.  We are playing with the same deck and just because they wear a new patch it doesn't mean they are better coaches.  That's where the pressure is and I am not convinced they can deliver any more than they have been able to in ECNL based on that track record.  That is where the 3-5 year timeframe comes in.

TB-  a couple of small caveats. The coaches actually are given a curriculum to follow.The coaches have reports they must complete and send to the technical trainers, and scouts actually come and monitor the coaches during sessions.  So the accountability is higher for everyone involved. Not saying this makes bad coaches good, but if coaches who are properly licensed/trained to be there are being monitored, it does make it a more visible situation.
Yes the coaches are given a curriculum and are monitored. Having to change coaching style that has worked so well for them in the past is probably just as influential to some coaches staying ECNL rather than go DA as the licensing issue.

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Post by db10 on 12/07/17, 11:47 am

So the coaches are given a curriculum and are monitored...Kinda like other state's teachers and the common core.


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Post by Zizou on 12/07/17, 11:53 am

KeeperCommander wrote:
tpitty wrote:
TatonkaBurger wrote:
db10 wrote:
Shouldn't the question be, "Do the three DA teams have the best 3 coaches in NTX?" Because as far as I know the coaches still develop the players.

There it is.  That is the only thing worth considering in this thread because everything else is pure speculation about a new league and how it will affect another league.

Here is the kicker.  These coaches are all the same.  They have been here for years and have a track record (some good, some mediocre and some bad).  The DA is not sending highly touted coaches to NTX to take over teams and to develop our DDs and get them on the USWNT.  We are playing with the same deck and just because they wear a new patch it doesn't mean they are better coaches.  That's where the pressure is and I am not convinced they can deliver any more than they have been able to in ECNL based on that track record.  That is where the 3-5 year timeframe comes in.

TB-  a couple of small caveats. The coaches actually are given a curriculum to follow.The coaches have reports they must complete and send to the technical trainers, and scouts actually come and monitor the coaches during sessions.  So the accountability is higher for everyone involved. Not saying this makes bad coaches good, but if coaches who are properly licensed/trained to be there are being monitored, it does make it a more visible situation.
Yes the coaches are given a curriculum and are monitored. Having to change coaching style that has worked so well for them in the past is probably just as influential to some coaches staying ECNL rather than go DA as the licensing issue.

1. Pretty sad that a coach would not want to follow through with lisences and continuing education. 2. So set in their ways or so egotistical not to be flexible in their coaching styles to adapt to new techniques or ideas. 3. Transparency, creating lesson plans that encourage players to have accountability of their learning.

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Post by Zizou on 12/07/17, 11:57 am

db10 wrote:So the coaches are given a curriculum and are monitored...Kinda like other state's teachers and the common core.

It has to start somewhere. I agree though that not all kids learn the same or pace. Common core treat every student the same. Which is not the case. My Opinion.

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Post by KeeperCommander on 12/07/17, 12:38 pm

Zizou wrote:
KeeperCommander wrote:
tpitty wrote:
TatonkaBurger wrote:
db10 wrote:
Shouldn't the question be, "Do the three DA teams have the best 3 coaches in NTX?" Because as far as I know the coaches still develop the players.

There it is.  That is the only thing worth considering in this thread because everything else is pure speculation about a new league and how it will affect another league.

Here is the kicker.  These coaches are all the same.  They have been here for years and have a track record (some good, some mediocre and some bad).  The DA is not sending highly touted coaches to NTX to take over teams and to develop our DDs and get them on the USWNT.  We are playing with the same deck and just because they wear a new patch it doesn't mean they are better coaches.  That's where the pressure is and I am not convinced they can deliver any more than they have been able to in ECNL based on that track record.  That is where the 3-5 year timeframe comes in.

TB-  a couple of small caveats. The coaches actually are given a curriculum to follow.The coaches have reports they must complete and send to the technical trainers, and scouts actually come and monitor the coaches during sessions.  So the accountability is higher for everyone involved. Not saying this makes bad coaches good, but if coaches who are properly licensed/trained to be there are being monitored, it does make it a more visible situation.
Yes the coaches are given a curriculum and are monitored. Having to change coaching style that has worked so well for them in the past is probably just as influential to some coaches staying ECNL rather than go DA as the licensing issue.

1. Pretty sad that a coach would not want to follow through with lisences and continuing education. 2. So set in their ways or so egotistical not to be flexible in their coaching styles to adapt to new techniques or ideas. 3. Transparency, creating lesson plans that encourage players to have accountability of their learning.
Not a huge factor to have a B or A to 95% of coaches. Maybe not even a C. Set in their ways is prob right or just stubborn.

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Post by KeeperCommander on 12/07/17, 10:09 pm

db10 wrote:So the coaches are given a curriculum and are monitored...Kinda like other state's teachers and the common core.

GDA might very well be just like common core.

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