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Re: Talent Pool

Post by KeeperCommander on 09/07/17, 03:50 pm

db10 wrote:$1800 for the season + $500 for fields + $625 for the bye.
So one could derive that if you are playing LH you are receiving a great deal. If you are playing JDL you are paying the same fees to club and they are paying out less. So Cha Ching for them. You have to think that if you are playing both then you are receiving the best overall deal. Wonder if they are paying for JDL out of pocket.

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Post by soccerdivahmom22 on 09/07/17, 04:13 pm

So LHGCL is getting $2925 per team....and let's look at just ONE age bracket shall we...so with D1 and D2 that's 28 teams X $2925... WOOOO so for one age bracket in LH they rake in $81,900. WOW.

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Post by 05KeeperDad on 09/07/17, 04:23 pm

don't worry about revenue numbers until you also look at field costs, referees, insurance, overhead, etc...

It's still a business, made for profits.

It's not crazy or it wouldn't be in such demand.

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Post by CBTeamworks on 09/07/17, 04:37 pm

LOL at some who feel that DA is a huge level above ECNL. Newsflash: DA doesn't get all the kids that they want. DA requires a significant level of sole dedication and investment in a single activity while excluding all other opportunities and experiences (like school sports, etc...) Some kids and families just don't want to play DA. That leaves a significant talent pool in ECNL. DA is slightly better than ECNL in talent but significantly better in perception.
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Post by soccerdivahmom22 on 09/07/17, 04:40 pm

05KeeperDad wrote:don't worry about revenue numbers until you also look at field costs, referees, insurance, overhead, etc...

It's still a business, made for profits.

It's not crazy or it wouldn't be in such demand.

I realize that there are other costs involved but until now I never really thought about how much money they were raking in. $700,000+ which is a lot...Not worried just amazed at large cost of doing business.

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Post by KeeperCommander on 09/07/17, 04:44 pm

soccerdivahmom22 wrote:
05KeeperDad wrote:don't worry about revenue numbers until you also look at field costs, referees, insurance, overhead, etc...

It's still a business, made for profits.

It's not crazy or it wouldn't be in such demand.

I realize that there are other costs involved but until now I never really thought about how much money they were raking in.  $700,000+ which is a lot...Not worried just amazed at large cost of doing business.
oh please they give $10,000 in scholarship money each year. Very Happy

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Post by Big Ern on 09/07/17, 10:31 pm

CBTeamworks wrote:LOL at some who feel that DA is a huge level above ECNL. Newsflash: DA doesn't get all the kids that they want. DA requires a significant level of sole dedication and investment in a single activity while excluding all other opportunities and experiences (like school sports, etc...) Some kids and families just don't want to play DA.  That leaves a significant talent pool in ECNL. DA is slightly better than ECNL in talent but significantly better in perception.

Like you CBT, we thought this ^ would be the case, but as much as it seems you'd like it to be true, it just didn't work that way --

The level between the DA and ECNL sides locally at U13-U15 aren't close ..... at all.

And since we're all adults here (might be a reach), how bout we leave the use of "LOL"s and "Newsflash"es to our daughters ... K?

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Post by Foxysoccermom on 09/07/17, 11:14 pm

BigE's in depth knowledge is always so enlightening and informative. Trust what he says he has an inside track. He's the mistress of several doc's. "Lol"

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Post by KeeperCommander on 10/07/17, 07:18 am

BigErn wrote:
CBTeamworks wrote:LOL at some who feel that DA is a huge level above ECNL. Newsflash: DA doesn't get all the kids that they want. DA requires a significant level of sole dedication and investment in a single activity while excluding all other opportunities and experiences (like school sports, etc...) Some kids and families just don't want to play DA.  That leaves a significant talent pool in ECNL. DA is slightly better than ECNL in talent but significantly better in perception.

Like you CBT, we thought this ^ would be the case, but as much as it seems you'd like it to be true, it just didn't work that way --

The level between the DA and ECNL sides locally at U13-U15 aren't close ..... at all.

And since we're all adults here (might be a reach), how bout we leave the use of "LOL"s and "Newsflash"es to our daughters ... K?
Just trying to be clear with what you are trying to say. Are you saying that the U13-U15 DA's are better than the ECNL? Or vice versa. And that it's not even close.

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Post by Cleansheets on 10/07/17, 08:13 am

Yeah, I'm gonna have to agree with Big E on this one. OMG! I just threw up in my mouth! Just kidding Big E, you know I love ya. Speaking on the upcoming u15 season (03's). There is a significant separation in the level of talent overall.

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Post by ElClassico on 10/07/17, 08:39 am

Cleansheets wrote:Yeah, I'm gonna have to agree with Big E on this one. OMG! I just threw up in my mouth! Just kidding Big E, you know I love ya. Speaking on the upcoming u15 season (03's). There is a significant separation in the level of talent overall.
You mean, based on girls you know of leaving ECNL for DA you assume the level of talent is much better, correct? Because nobody has played a game with the new rosters and there hasn't been but 3 to 4 weeks of practice so there hasn't been a way of seeing them in action. 

Also is there a "significant separation" of talent from girl to girl or is it a theory based on the assumption the best players from the 5 ECNL teams now make up the 3 DA teams?
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Post by Cleansheets on 10/07/17, 08:53 am

Yes you are correct for the most part. This is my opinion based on what I have seen on my DD's respective team/club. Having a base knowledge of who is playing where, who is moving where and watching DA and ECNL tryouts/practices. Is my opinion a little presumtive? probably, however I feel it will bear itself out this next season.

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Post by Cleansheets on 10/07/17, 08:58 am

Also, I do think the top talent has migrated to DA, for the most part. Sure there will a few exceptions here and there because of the discussed reasons. Again only speaking for my DD's team. They did not lose any players because of strict DA restrictions.

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Post by KeeperCommander on 10/07/17, 09:16 am

For the 03's this is probably spot on. Given the fact that these girls do not have a number next to their name stating where they stand in relation to another, it's also very speculative. However I agree with Clean on this.
For 05's and perhaps the 04's this will be less true. 04's might actually have an upper hand as far as DA percentage. Maybe 60/40.
The 05's is far less than that. Given the top team and players still play for Texans ECNL and FCD had to find players that couldn't make it at their present club, it's hilarious to think the top players chose DA this year.
Will next year be different? Yes I think the percentage will jump. Even for the 04's. The 00's and 01's? May not change much. In fact many that already have oral commitments will just ride it out with their team. Of course that is just my thoughts.

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Post by TxFutbal on 10/07/17, 09:28 am

SWINGIT!! wrote:Well cost is the same for JDL teams as LH teams. With half the games. So who grabs that extra money?

How is JDL half the games as LH? For 1st year select LH teams play 19 games. JDL plays 18 games. Please show your math

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Post by Cleansheets on 10/07/17, 09:32 am

I don't disagree with KC at all, especially his take on both the younger and older age groups

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Post by KeeperCommander on 10/07/17, 09:44 am

Going back a few posts. Is that $2950 correct. I know LH charges for each season and bye. Never heard of the field charge of $500.

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Post by TxFutbal on 10/07/17, 09:48 am

There is a facility charge for both LH and JDL. From an admin perspective, JDL is the same cost structure as LH.

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Post by ForReal on 10/07/17, 09:50 am

KeeperCommander wrote:Going back a few posts. Is that $2950 correct. I know LH charges for each season and bye. Never heard of the field charge of $500.

Yes, there's a $500 field charge.  Here's a link to the fees:  http://www.girlsclassicleague.org/page/show/1211589-league-fees-2017-2018

Here's JDL Fees: http://www.jrdevelopmentleague.com/fees

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Post by KeeperCommander on 10/07/17, 09:54 am

ForReal wrote:
KeeperCommander wrote:Going back a few posts. Is that $2950 correct. I know LH charges for each season and bye. Never heard of the field charge of $500.

Yes, there's a $500 field charge.  Here's a link to the fees:  http://www.girlsclassicleague.org/page/show/1211589-league-fees-2017-2018

Here's JDL Fees: http://www.jrdevelopmentleague.com/fees
Would love to get my hands on that P&L statement.

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Post by PLAY2FEET!! on 10/07/17, 09:57 am

TxFutbal wrote:
SWINGIT!! wrote:Well cost is the same for JDL teams as LH teams. With half the games. So who grabs that extra money?

How is JDL half the games as LH?  For 1st year select LH teams play 19 games.  JDL plays 18 games.  Please show your math
I didn't mean half literally. Just fewer.
I was only able to find 14 games for 05 JDL teams.
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Post by TxFutbal on 10/07/17, 10:10 am

Probably due to rainouts. If you do the math, each JDL team plays each other twice (once in fall and once in spring). If there are 10 teams in JDL each team plays 9 games in fall and 9 games in spring for total of 18. Now some teams may choose not to play each other for a variety of reasons like tournament conflict or other league conflict but there should be 18 games on the schedule

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Post by ForReal on 10/07/17, 10:14 am

TxFutbal wrote:Probably due to rainouts.  If you do the math, each JDL team plays each other twice (once in fall and once in spring).  If there are 10 teams in JDL each team plays 9 games in fall and 9 games in spring for total of 18.  Now some teams may choose not to play each other for a variety of reasons like tournament conflict or other league conflict but there should be 18 games on the schedule

05s only had 8 teams.

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Post by KeeperCommander on 10/07/17, 10:18 am

ForReal wrote:
TxFutbal wrote:Probably due to rainouts.  If you do the math, each JDL team plays each other twice (once in fall and once in spring).  If there are 10 teams in JDL each team plays 9 games in fall and 9 games in spring for total of 18.  Now some teams may choose not to play each other for a variety of reasons like tournament conflict or other league conflict but there should be 18 games on the schedule

05s only had 8 teams.
I thought they supplemented with some OK or STX drivel.

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Post by ForReal on 10/07/17, 10:25 am

KeeperCommander wrote:
ForReal wrote:
TxFutbal wrote:Probably due to rainouts.  If you do the math, each JDL team plays each other twice (once in fall and once in spring).  If there are 10 teams in JDL each team plays 9 games in fall and 9 games in spring for total of 18.  Now some teams may choose not to play each other for a variety of reasons like tournament conflict or other league conflict but there should be 18 games on the schedule

05s only had 8 teams.
I thought they supplemented with some OK or STX drivel.

TSC Beattie came down and played 2-3 teams one weekend.

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Post by ForReal on 10/07/17, 10:36 am

KeeperCommander wrote:For the 03's this is probably spot on. Given the fact that these girls do not have a number next to their name stating where they stand in relation to another, it's also very speculative. However I agree with Clean on this.
For 05's and perhaps the 04's this will be less true. 04's might actually have an upper hand as far as DA percentage. Maybe 60/40.
The 05's is far less than that. Given the top team and players still play for Texans ECNL and FCD had to find players that couldn't make it at their present club, it's hilarious to think the top players chose DA this year.
Will next year be different? Yes I think the percentage will jump. Even for the 04's. The 00's and 01's? May not change much. In fact many that already have oral commitments will just ride it out with their team. Of course that is just my thoughts.

Is it confirmed that DTS finally elected ECNL?  If so, the 05 Texans DA team would probably struggle against every 05 ECNL team.  And since the Kicks are ECNL, I'd suggest that 05 ECNL will be stronger from top to bottom than the DA teams (before you go off, Solar and FCD will have good DA teams and I'm not suggesting they aren't better than most of the ECNL teams).

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