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Re: Question for the seasoned parents

Post by OLJW on 13/09/17, 10:46 am

Any traction? Yes. Enough traction to effect the change? No, but now you've poked the bear.

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Post by KeeperCommander on 13/09/17, 10:59 am

OLJW wrote:Any traction? Yes.  Enough traction to effect the change? No, but now you've poked the bear.
Poking bears. Dangerous hobby.

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Re: Question for the seasoned parents

Post by Medicine Man on 03/10/17, 10:01 am

Unortunately the bait a d switch tactic is used quite a bit especially now that we have so many watered down teams and coaches u der pressure to win and sign a fu 'll roster. It's only going to get worse. It's only hurting the development of the kids and driving the business elsewhere.

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Re: Question for the seasoned parents

Post by Lefty on 03/10/17, 11:20 am

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SickofSilliness wrote:The question was simple - it was your statement that anyone had a 50-50 chance of identifying the girl.  Your inability to explain how some outsider could research and identify 2 possible players from the 6 teams (even if all teams rosters are listed) is not surprising.

Again, you just make up facts to support your narrative when you can't address the argument head on.  I never said "anyone had a 50-50 chance of identifying the girl."  What I said was "explaining the facts in such a way as to give informed readers a 50/50 chance of positively identifying a 10 year old girl."  There is a big difference between "informed readers" and "anyone," but that doesn't support your non-sequitur.  And there is only 1 Solar team in LHGCL D1 that has two SRSA players that guests with it, so its not hard to figure out how the OP is talking about.  So do you want to answer the question now, or blaze another rabbit trail to go down?

Doubt that she is 50/50 identifiable. Guessing she is 100% identifiable (based on her behavior) by 'informed readers' and the rest of us have no clue.

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Post by Medicine Man on 04/10/17, 06:16 am

The old bait and switch tactic is in full effect. Too many leagues and too much greed has devalued the development of our DDs.

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Post by Lefty on 04/10/17, 10:55 am

Medicine Man wrote:The old bait and switch tactic is in full effect. Too many leagues and too much greed has devalued the development of our DDs.

It is your job as the parent to do the work to research the situations and coaches to put your DD in a situation that is in her best interest.

People (not just soccer coaches) distort the truth and lie all the time to advance their interests.

Usually people get burned when they are not objective in their assessment, don't do their due diligence, or over reach (deal or situation too good to be true.).

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Post by Medicine Man on 05/10/17, 09:00 pm

Lefty my point in the thread was just highlighting the bait and switch tactic that this poor parent has been dealt. Her situation isn't uncommon. The coach lied to her. I dont.know what assessment you can take from that. He told her daughter would be playing and not replaced on the bench  by a non team member. What else would you articulate she hasn't been burned yet. This is her first rodeo cowboy.

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Re: Question for the seasoned parents

Post by TxFutbal on 06/10/17, 08:35 am

Here is what I know.. When the coach is winning games with the team he has, you won't see guest players. When the team can't win with what they have, guest players will show up to help the club keep it's bye. It's really easy to tell which coaches bought their byes last year with guests based on their record this year.

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Re: Question for the seasoned parents

Post by Holly Hunter on 06/10/17, 09:32 am

TxFutbal wrote:Here is what I know.. When the coach is winning games with the team he has, you won't see guest players.  When the team can't win with what they have, guest players will show up to help the club keep it's bye.  It's really easy to tell which coaches bought their byes last year with guests based on their record this year.

Not true - can't base byes earned on current records, too much happened between the end of last year and the beginning of this year. However, you may be able to discern what happens between the beginning of this season (2017/2018) and the end of this season. If a team is at the bottom of their division through the first half of the season and finish the season somewhere in the middle of the pack (i.e. solidifying their bye), there's a very good chance the team used CPP to get it there. There will be the occassional exception to that rule where the coach actually coached but mostly I think CPP will be used to keep the team in their current division, IMHO.
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Re: Question for the seasoned parents

Post by SickofStupidity on 06/10/17, 09:37 am

TxFutbal wrote:Here is what I know.. When the coach is winning games with the team he has, you won't see guest players.  When the team can't win with what they have, guest players will show up to help the club keep it's bye.  It's really easy to tell which coaches bought their byes last year with guests based on their record this year.

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Re: Question for the seasoned parents

Post by TxFutbal on 06/10/17, 09:44 am

Sometimes that is true and sometimes the girls she/he has on the team just overachieved to make it into the division they are in and don't have the talent to keep the bye they have. I know this is hard to swallow but sometimes a coach can be over committed to development and no matter how hard the girls try, they just don't have the talent to get it done. Maybe they are a step or two slow, maybe they are an inch or 2 too short, maybe some of the girls on the team don't have enough heart... Either way, the club doesn't care.. They want the bye. If the coach wants to keep the team, she/he has to go get the bye. harsh reality but when we sign up for the pay for play soccer merry-go-round, results matter at the D1 and above level. D2/D3 a different story unless you have a team that underachieved and is scratching and clawing to get back to where they are suppose to be

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Re: Question for the seasoned parents

Post by Holly Hunter on 06/10/17, 09:46 am

My two cents - the coaches don't have anyone holding them accountable. There is a coaching code of ethics that been posted and made VERY public but it seems no coaches seem to follow it. So who do we go to? The DOC? Well, that's supposed to be the first stop - at the fear of the DOC going to the coach telling him/her who's been complaining on their team and to get a handle on it. Meanwhile, that player then gets to ride the pine because the parents made a complaint that the coach isn't following the code of ethics and coach is going to "make an example" of that player and parent.

Next stop? The league? Nope, they don't care what the coach is doing, they got their own problems.

Next stop? The overarching league? NTX? You could go here and get them brought up before the Disciplinary board but, again, if they decide to "release" your name you become a problem and your child doesn't get to play because the parent is deemed a "problem".

So what's the solution? Rock the boat, do the complaining, use the rules to guide you. Start with the Coaching Code of Ethics for NTX and go from there. The key is to figure out how we hold these coaches accountable for their actions and their words. Hold the club accountable for the coaches actions as well. Until those issues are resolved, coaches will continue to do what they want, how they want, sometimes driven directly by the very person put in place to keep the coaches in check (the DOC).

This is an area you either tread lightly, suck it up, put on your big parent panties and ride out the season until you're free OR you drive at the root of the problem, find others willing to back you and take it to the top. Coaches and clubs should ALWAYS be held accountable and held to the Code of Ethics at all times.

Most coaches and clubs are guilty of breaking rule #8 of the Code of Ethics:
http://www.ucysa.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/UCYSA-Code-of-Ethics.pdf

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Re: Question for the seasoned parents

Post by SickofStupidity on 06/10/17, 09:58 am

Holly Hunter wrote:My two cents - the coaches don't have anyone holding them accountable.  There is a coaching code of ethics that been posted and made VERY public but it seems no coaches seem to follow it.  So who do we go to?  The DOC?  Well, that's supposed to be the first stop - at the fear of the DOC going to the coach telling him/her who's been complaining on their team and to get a handle on it.  Meanwhile, that player then gets to ride the pine because the parents made a complaint that the coach isn't following the code of ethics and coach is going to "make an example" of that player and parent.

Next stop?  The league?  Nope, they don't care what the coach is doing, they got their own problems.

Next stop?  The overarching league?  NTX?  You could go here and get them brought up before the Disciplinary board but, again, if they decide to "release" your name you become a problem and your child doesn't get to play because the parent is deemed a "problem".

So what's the solution?  Rock the boat, do the complaining, use the rules to guide you.  Start with the Coaching Code of Ethics for NTX and go from there.  The key is to figure out how we hold these coaches accountable for their actions and their words.  Hold the club accountable for the coaches actions as well.  Until those issues are resolved, coaches will continue to do what they want, how they want, sometimes driven directly by the very person put in place to keep the coaches in check (the DOC).

This is an area you either tread lightly, suck it up, put on your big parent panties and ride out the season until you're free OR you drive at the root of the problem, find others willing to back you and take it to the top.  Coaches and clubs should ALWAYS be held accountable and held to the Code of Ethics at all times.

Most coaches and clubs are guilty of breaking rule #8 of the Code of Ethics:
http://www.ucysa.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/UCYSA-Code-of-Ethics.pdf

Good luck!


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Re: Question for the seasoned parents

Post by Holly Hunter on 06/10/17, 10:01 am

TxFutbal wrote:Sometimes that is true and sometimes the girls she/he has on the team just overachieved to make it into the division they are in and don't have the talent to keep the bye they have.  I know this is hard to swallow but sometimes a coach can be over committed to development and no matter how hard the girls try, they just don't have the talent to get it done.  Maybe they are a step or two slow, maybe they are an inch or 2 too short, maybe some of the girls on the team don't have enough heart... Either way, the club doesn't care.. They want the bye. If the coach wants to keep the team, she/he has to go get the bye.  harsh reality but when we sign up for the pay for play soccer merry-go-round, results matter at the D1 and above level.  D2/D3 a different story unless you have a team that underachieved and is scratching and clawing to get back to where they are suppose to be

Absolutely agree but you have to use a single season as your litmus test... start of this season vs. end of this season... going from last season to this season really says nothing cause too much movement to really know what's happened between last season and this one. However, team isn't winning, better bring in the big guns to start winning some matches so you're not relegated, especially if you're in the majority for "club" representation.

I am a believer that you win and lose with the team you "chose". I don't like the idea of being able to sneakily (is this a word? well it is now) stack your D1 team with ECNL players so when you "need" a win you have 8 ECNL players available to ensure that win. You have 5 dual rostered and then CPP 3 more. On conficting weekends this team will get smoked by a last place team, when there isn't a conflict they'll tie or beat a top 5 team. Those are the ones you have to watch out for. Win just enough to stay in.
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Re: Question for the seasoned parents

Post by Holly Hunter on 06/10/17, 10:06 am

SickofStupidity wrote:
Holly Hunter wrote:My two cents - the coaches don't have anyone holding them accountable.  There is a coaching code of ethics that been posted and made VERY public but it seems no coaches seem to follow it.  So who do we go to?  The DOC?  Well, that's supposed to be the first stop - at the fear of the DOC going to the coach telling him/her who's been complaining on their team and to get a handle on it.  Meanwhile, that player then gets to ride the pine because the parents made a complaint that the coach isn't following the code of ethics and coach is going to "make an example" of that player and parent.

Next stop?  The league?  Nope, they don't care what the coach is doing, they got their own problems.

Next stop?  The overarching league?  NTX?  You could go here and get them brought up before the Disciplinary board but, again, if they decide to "release" your name you become a problem and your child doesn't get to play because the parent is deemed a "problem".

So what's the solution?  Rock the boat, do the complaining, use the rules to guide you.  Start with the Coaching Code of Ethics for NTX and go from there.  The key is to figure out how we hold these coaches accountable for their actions and their words.  Hold the club accountable for the coaches actions as well.  Until those issues are resolved, coaches will continue to do what they want, how they want, sometimes driven directly by the very person put in place to keep the coaches in check (the DOC).

This is an area you either tread lightly, suck it up, put on your big parent panties and ride out the season until you're free OR you drive at the root of the problem, find others willing to back you and take it to the top.  Coaches and clubs should ALWAYS be held accountable and held to the Code of Ethics at all times.

Most coaches and clubs are guilty of breaking rule #8 of the Code of Ethics:
http://www.ucysa.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/UCYSA-Code-of-Ethics.pdf

Good luck!


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Re: Question for the seasoned parents

Post by TxFutbal on 06/10/17, 12:20 pm

The only way to hold the coach/club accountable is for the team to bind together. The club/team has to have a certain percentage of returning players to keep their bye. I have said before and will say it again.. There is safety in numbers and the parents / manager (assume the manager has a quality DD on the team) need to speak with 1 voice and control the future of the team while the coach controls the future of your development.

Where this breaks down is when you care too much about the win column. When parents care too much about the standings then you are screwed because then the best player plays period regardless of where that player comes from..end of discussion.

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Post by Dfeeters on 06/10/17, 01:46 pm

Holly Hunter wrote:My two cents - the coaches don't have anyone holding them accountable.  There is a coaching code of ethics that been posted and made VERY public but it seems no coaches seem to follow it.  So who do we go to?  The DOC?  Well, that's supposed to be the first stop - at the fear of the DOC going to the coach telling him/her who's been complaining on their team and to get a handle on it.  Meanwhile, that player then gets to ride the pine because the parents made a complaint that the coach isn't following the code of ethics and coach is going to "make an example" of that player and parent.

Next stop?  The league?  Nope, they don't care what the coach is doing, they got their own problems.

Next stop?  The overarching league?  NTX?  You could go here and get them brought up before the Disciplinary board but, again, if they decide to "release" your name you become a problem and your child doesn't get to play because the parent is deemed a "problem".

So what's the solution?  Rock the boat, do the complaining, use the rules to guide you.  Start with the Coaching Code of Ethics for NTX and go from there.  The key is to figure out how we hold these coaches accountable for their actions and their words.  Hold the club accountable for the coaches actions as well.  Until those issues are resolved, coaches will continue to do what they want, how they want, sometimes driven directly by the very person put in place to keep the coaches in check (the DOC).

This is an area you either tread lightly, suck it up, put on your big parent panties and ride out the season until you're free OR you drive at the root of the problem, find others willing to back you and take it to the top.  Coaches and clubs should ALWAYS be held accountable and held to the Code of Ethics at all times.

Most coaches and clubs are guilty of breaking rule #8 of the Code of Ethics:
http://www.ucysa.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/UCYSA-Code-of-Ethics.pdf

Good luck!


cheers  well stated!

My .02.... If team wins most people could careless about ethics and development.

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Post by SickofStupidity on 06/10/17, 02:40 pm

Dfeeters wrote:
Holly Hunter wrote:My two cents - the coaches don't have anyone holding them accountable.  There is a coaching code of ethics that been posted and made VERY public but it seems no coaches seem to follow it.  So who do we go to?  The DOC?  Well, that's supposed to be the first stop - at the fear of the DOC going to the coach telling him/her who's been complaining on their team and to get a handle on it.  Meanwhile, that player then gets to ride the pine because the parents made a complaint that the coach isn't following the code of ethics and coach is going to "make an example" of that player and parent.

Next stop?  The league?  Nope, they don't care what the coach is doing, they got their own problems.

Next stop?  The overarching league?  NTX?  You could go here and get them brought up before the Disciplinary board but, again, if they decide to "release" your name you become a problem and your child doesn't get to play because the parent is deemed a "problem".

So what's the solution?  Rock the boat, do the complaining, use the rules to guide you.  Start with the Coaching Code of Ethics for NTX and go from there.  The key is to figure out how we hold these coaches accountable for their actions and their words.  Hold the club accountable for the coaches actions as well.  Until those issues are resolved, coaches will continue to do what they want, how they want, sometimes driven directly by the very person put in place to keep the coaches in check (the DOC).

This is an area you either tread lightly, suck it up, put on your big parent panties and ride out the season until you're free OR you drive at the root of the problem, find others willing to back you and take it to the top.  Coaches and clubs should ALWAYS be held accountable and held to the Code of Ethics at all times.

Most coaches and clubs are guilty of breaking rule #8 of the Code of Ethics:
http://www.ucysa.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/UCYSA-Code-of-Ethics.pdf

Good luck!


cheers  well stated!

My .02.... If team wins most people could careless about ethics and development.


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Re: Question for the seasoned parents

Post by SoccerPunch on 06/10/17, 03:09 pm

There are a lot of Indy Clubs out there that people could look at.
The Bait and Switch scheme may still exist here and there but not as much.


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Post by jogobonito06 on 06/10/17, 04:48 pm

SickofStupidity wrote:
Dfeeters wrote:
Holly Hunter wrote:My two cents - the coaches don't have anyone holding them accountable.  There is a coaching code of ethics that been posted and made VERY public but it seems no coaches seem to follow it.  So who do we go to?  The DOC?  Well, that's supposed to be the first stop - at the fear of the DOC going to the coach telling him/her who's been complaining on their team and to get a handle on it.  Meanwhile, that player then gets to ride the pine because the parents made a complaint that the coach isn't following the code of ethics and coach is going to "make an example" of that player and parent.

Next stop?  The league?  Nope, they don't care what the coach is doing, they got their own problems.

Next stop?  The overarching league?  NTX?  You could go here and get them brought up before the Disciplinary board but, again, if they decide to "release" your name you become a problem and your child doesn't get to play because the parent is deemed a "problem".

So what's the solution?  Rock the boat, do the complaining, use the rules to guide you.  Start with the Coaching Code of Ethics for NTX and go from there.  The key is to figure out how we hold these coaches accountable for their actions and their words.  Hold the club accountable for the coaches actions as well.  Until those issues are resolved, coaches will continue to do what they want, how they want, sometimes driven directly by the very person put in place to keep the coaches in check (the DOC).

This is an area you either tread lightly, suck it up, put on your big parent panties and ride out the season until you're free OR you drive at the root of the problem, find others willing to back you and take it to the top.  Coaches and clubs should ALWAYS be held accountable and held to the Code of Ethics at all times.

Most coaches and clubs are guilty of breaking rule #8 of the Code of Ethics:
http://www.ucysa.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/UCYSA-Code-of-Ethics.pdf

Good luck!


cheers  well stated!

My .02.... If team wins most people could careless about ethics and development.


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Re: Question for the seasoned parents

Post by Zizou on 06/10/17, 09:48 pm

TxFutbal wrote:Sometimes that is true and sometimes the girls she/he has on the team just overachieved to make it into the division they are in and don't have the talent to keep the bye they have.  I know this is hard to swallow but sometimes a coach can be over committed to development and no matter how hard the girls try, they just don't have the talent to get it done.  Maybe they are a step or two slow, maybe they are an inch or 2 too short, maybe some of the girls on the team don't have enough heart... Either way, the club doesn't care.. They want the bye. If the coach wants to keep the team, she/he has to go get the bye.  harsh reality but when we sign up for the pay for play soccer merry-go-round, results matter at the D1 and above level.  D2/D3 a different story unless you have a team that underachieved and is scratching and clawing to get back to where they are suppose to be

Truth is that lake highlands players are paying for DA players and scholarships for ECNL players.

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Post by TxFutbal on 06/10/17, 10:15 pm

LOL.. Ask the ECNL parents how much they spend on soccer every year. It's more than a car payment in my experience. DA I can't speak to but my brother had to take a 2nd mortgage on his house for my nephew to play DA.

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Re: Question for the seasoned parents

Post by Big Ern on 07/10/17, 02:43 am

TxFutbal wrote:LOL..  Ask the ECNL parents how much they spend on soccer every year.  It's more than a car payment in my experience.  DA I can't speak to but my brother had to take a 2nd mortgage on his house for my nephew to play DA.

It's been over a year now TxFutbal ... You should know better than to use "LOL", especially to start off a post in which you clearly contradict yourself -- Neutral

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Re: Question for the seasoned parents

Post by Zizou on 07/10/17, 11:34 am

TxFutbal wrote:LOL..  Ask the ECNL parents how much they spend on soccer every year.  It's more than a car payment in my experience.  DA I can't speak to but my brother had to take a 2nd mortgage on his house for my nephew to play DA.

You might want to ask what other things he was spending the 2nd mortgage money on. It wasn’t all going towards DA.

Done both leagues and ECNL has been far and away the most expensive.

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Re: Question for the seasoned parents

Post by Medicine Man on 08/10/17, 07:37 am

The old switch and bait tactic keeps on a keepon on...I see it every weekend new faces roster changes little Suzy poor girl she's getting a taste of the real world at 10.

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Re: Question for the seasoned parents

Post by Lefty on 09/10/17, 10:08 am

Medicine Man wrote:The old switch and bait tactic keeps on a keepon on...I see it every weekend new faces roster changes little Suzy poor girl she's getting a taste of the real world at 10.

Not sure what you are hoping to accomplish with vague posts such as this?

If just venting, then fine, hope it works to relieve some of your frustration.

If you want some traction, reaction or change then step up to the plate and name names.
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