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Post by purplefrog 29/11/17, 12:04 pm

It's like a ghost town around here.
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Post by purplefrog 29/11/17, 12:28 pm

Wasn't there a tournament or two last weekend to talk about? Aren't there some tournaments coming up? Or at least can someone make fun of Big Ern about something?
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Post by Big Ern 29/11/17, 01:45 pm

Agreed Frog --

You'd think it'd be a bit more lively after Texas Cup right?  Must've been that there wasn't enough discontent to spur any activity ...

Guessing that there weren't any ECNL kids playing down onto LH team rosters, that nobody's kid saw diminished playing time due to a guest player, that there weren't any teams playing down to 'trophy hunt', that the officiating was decent, that there weren't any coaches tossed and there weren't any sideline brawls -- Whatcha think Sir?  

Oh .... and be sure to ping me next time you think you see someone making fun of me -- I seem to have a tough time recognizing when that happens Wink

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Post by Guest 29/11/17, 01:53 pm

Yeah yeah....but how was Cali BigE?! Looks like it was a good showing!! Reppin NTX/Central Region and all that jazz...

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Post by Big Ern 29/11/17, 02:14 pm

Yes JST --

Fantastic trip!  Top notch facilities and competition.  Our girls faced some tough opponents -- Some that play a style unique to most of our usual competition and some that have elite speed we hadn't ever had to deal with ... So many tremendous athletes out there playing our sport!  Also very cool for our girls to have so many college coaches and USYNT folks watching their matches.  Overall excellent experience + exposure!

Gonna be quite a ride with this group --

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Post by Guest 29/11/17, 02:21 pm

I like to hear that....aspiring.
This wasn't a welcome mat for trolls either...I was sincerely curious. This is the 2nd time in 24 hrs that I've heard about college exposure from a DA parent.

"The haters will say its photoshopped"

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Post by Big Ern 29/11/17, 02:39 pm

Right ... and I'd like to go on record saying that I don't believe that DA is alone as the only avenue for exposure.  

However, I did speak with quite a few of the college coaches out there that attended the ECNL Fall Phoenix event.  Many were shocked and disappointed to see the level of drop off in talent from what they are used to with ECNL.  After seeing the level at Silver Lakes, they agree with many of us that this is a trend that will continue and is a sign of things to come --

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Post by Guest 29/11/17, 02:55 pm

not a knock on current ecnl participants but you have to be real sometimes....
cant speak for all areas but I know in a lot of cases, here, in NTX DFW, ECNL was not "accepting" to some of these current players before DA. I sure don't mean to offend but it comes with honesty.

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Post by purplefrog 29/11/17, 03:03 pm

BigErn wrote:Agreed Frog --

You'd think it'd be a bit more lively after Texas Cup right?  Must've been that there wasn't enough discontent to spur any activity ...

Guessing that there weren't any ECNL kids playing down onto LH team rosters, that nobody's kid saw diminished playing time due to a guest player, that there weren't any teams playing down to 'trophy hunt', that the officiating was decent, that there weren't any coaches tossed and there weren't any sideline brawls -- Whatcha think Sir?  

Oh .... and be sure to ping me next time you think you see someone making fun of me -- I seem to have a tough time recognizing when that happens Wink

I got your back Big E (fist bump emoji)
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Post by soccerjack 29/11/17, 06:47 pm

Is this an MS team?
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Post by Medicine Man 29/11/17, 07:44 pm

This weekend football games are way more exciting than the last few weeks of soccer. That flag on the front porch won't be flying after Saturday.

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Post by Big Ern 29/11/17, 08:29 pm

soccerjack wrote:Is this an MS team?

If you're referring to the team JST was asking about that went to CA last week then yessir ... the majority of those kids are 8th graders.

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Post by BrianWilliams 30/11/17, 07:41 am

I was there and interviewed some coaches - they were very disappointed at the lack of hot moms.

Many more hot moms at the ECNL Fall Phoenix event.
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Post by soccerjack 30/11/17, 08:08 am

BrianWilliams wrote:I was there and interviewed some coaches - they were very disappointed at the lack of hot moms.

Many more hot moms at the ECNL Fall Phoenix event.

Matt Lauer was covering Phoenix.
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Post by Guest 30/11/17, 12:17 pm

I can vision a lot of posters sitting back, cracking up at their own jokes.....

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Post by President Camacho 30/11/17, 12:59 pm

BigErn wrote:
soccerjack wrote:Is this an MS team?

If you're referring to the team JST was asking about that went to CA last week then yessir ... the majority of those kids are 8th graders.

I need to make sure and intake caffeine (or cut down on the booze) before reading sometimes as I initially misinterpreted MS as Multiple Sclerosis. Was really confused. Middle School makes much better sense.
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Post by Guest 30/11/17, 01:06 pm

President Camacho wrote:
BigErn wrote:
soccerjack wrote:Is this an MS team?

If you're referring to the team JST was asking about that went to CA last week then yessir ... the majority of those kids are 8th graders.

I need to make sure and intake caffeine (or cut down on the booze) before reading sometimes as I initially misinterpreted MS as Multiple Sclerosis. Was really confused. Middle School makes much better sense.

I literally laughed out loud....not because of MS but because of the fatigue reading and interpretation. I thought i was the only one did that....

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Post by President Camacho 30/11/17, 01:14 pm

I do it constantly. I got in my head thinking, awe cool, they have a league for kids with MS, a feel good story... oh wait, I failed Acronym 101.
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Post by SickofStupidity 30/11/17, 05:40 pm

BigErn wrote:Right ... and I'd like to go on record saying that I don't believe that DA is alone as the only avenue for exposure.  

However, I did speak with quite a few of the college coaches out there that attended the ECNL Fall Phoenix event.  Many were shocked and disappointed to see the level of drop off in talent from what they are used to with ECNL.  After seeing the level at Silver Lakes, they agree with many of us that this is a trend that will continue and is a sign of things to come --

Are you sure they weren't referring specifically to FC Dallas ECNL teams?  No team ranked higher than 7th in the Texas Conference.  The only club performing worse is Sting Austin.  Shocked

I would have thought with all the talk of "consolidation of talent" at the DA clubs, that the FC Dallas ECNL teams would be performing better.

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Post by Guest 30/11/17, 05:54 pm

#TheBait

...will BigE bite?

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Post by Big Ern 01/12/17, 10:25 am

SickofStupidity wrote:
BigErn wrote:Right ... and I'd like to go on record saying that I don't believe that DA is alone as the only avenue for exposure.  

However, I did speak with quite a few of the college coaches out there that attended the ECNL Fall Phoenix event.  Many were shocked and disappointed to see the level of drop off in talent from what they are used to with ECNL.  After seeing the level at Silver Lakes, they agree with many of us that this is a trend that will continue and is a sign of things to come --

Are you sure they weren't referring specifically to FC Dallas ECNL teams?  No team ranked higher than 7th in the Texas Conference.  The only club performing worse is Sting Austin.  Shocked

I would have thought with all the talk of "consolidation of talent" at the DA clubs, that the FC Dallas ECNL teams would be performing better.

Just had a look at the ECNL tables and boy howdy -- Outside of the U14 group, FCD ECNL isn't very competitive is it?
 
Tremendous researching SoS ... goooood boy!  

But no, the coaches we spoke with were not referring to a specific club, rather a broad generalization regarding the drop in level of talent they saw.  The same was recognized at the Silver Lakes event itself as well as there were both DA and ECNL level divisions playing.

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Post by SickofStupidity 01/12/17, 10:38 am

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BigErn wrote:Right ... and I'd like to go on record saying that I don't believe that DA is alone as the only avenue for exposure.  

However, I did speak with quite a few of the college coaches out there that attended the ECNL Fall Phoenix event.  Many were shocked and disappointed to see the level of drop off in talent from what they are used to with ECNL.  After seeing the level at Silver Lakes, they agree with many of us that this is a trend that will continue and is a sign of things to come --

Are you sure they weren't referring specifically to FC Dallas ECNL teams?  No team ranked higher than 7th in the Texas Conference.  The only club performing worse is Sting Austin.  Shocked

I would have thought with all the talk of "consolidation of talent" at the DA clubs, that the FC Dallas ECNL teams would be performing better.

Just had a look at the ECNL tables and boy howdy -- Outside of the U14 group, FCD ECNL isn't very competitive is it?
 
Tremendous researching SoS ... goooood boy!  

But no, the coaches we spoke with were not referring to a specific club, rather a broad generalization regarding the drop in level of talent they saw.  The same was recognized at the Silver Lakes event itself as well as there were both DA and ECNL level divisions playing.


Ummm, ok, if you think 2-7-3 and 9th in Tx Conf  is "competitive" we can go with that.

(2 wins were against Sting Austin; 19 GF - 11 of those against Sting Austin, and 18 GA)


Just thought we could expect more from all the "consolidation of talent" at the DA clubs I keep hearing about.

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Post by NoSpinZone 01/12/17, 10:53 am

ECNL going away anyway for Solar, FCD, and Texans. Not enough talent around to fill both DA and ECNL(8 teams, 5 ECNL and 3 DA).

The top ECNL players will either go DA or move to another ECNL club. Which moves those that want ECNL to Sting or DFeeters. Unless LP gets the rumored callup. So maybe 3 DA, 3 ECNL( 6 teams including LP) probably 1 too many of each, but is what it is. Don't see Solar or Texans giving up DA, absolutely no way for FCD.

Changes a coming!

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Post by Big Ern 01/12/17, 11:23 am

SickofStupidity wrote:
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SickofStupidity wrote:
BigErn wrote:Right ... and I'd like to go on record saying that I don't believe that DA is alone as the only avenue for exposure.  

However, I did speak with quite a few of the college coaches out there that attended the ECNL Fall Phoenix event.  Many were shocked and disappointed to see the level of drop off in talent from what they are used to with ECNL.  After seeing the level at Silver Lakes, they agree with many of us that this is a trend that will continue and is a sign of things to come --

Are you sure they weren't referring specifically to FC Dallas ECNL teams?  No team ranked higher than 7th in the Texas Conference.  The only club performing worse is Sting Austin.  Shocked

I would have thought with all the talk of "consolidation of talent" at the DA clubs, that the FC Dallas ECNL teams would be performing better.

Just had a look at the ECNL tables and boy howdy -- Outside of the U14 group, FCD ECNL isn't very competitive is it?
 
Tremendous researching SoS ... goooood boy!  

But no, the coaches we spoke with were not referring to a specific club, rather a broad generalization regarding the drop in level of talent they saw.  The same was recognized at the Silver Lakes event itself as well as there were both DA and ECNL level divisions playing.


Ummm, ok, if you think 2-7-3 and 9th in Tx Conf  is "competitive" we can go with that.

(2 wins were against Sting Austin; 19 GF - 11 of those against Sting Austin, and 18 GA)


Just thought we could expect more from all the "consolidation of talent" at the DA clubs I keep hearing about.

Pissing contest proposal again huh SoS?  Alllllrighty ...

Yes indeed -- I'd say scoring more goals than allowed should be considered 'competitive'.  Even taking account that most were scored against the lowly Austin bunch, their seven losses were by just over a goal each match on average ... so yep -- that would be considered by a reasonable and logically thinking person to be 'competitive'.  And I'd say that those numbers are especially 'competitive' considering that FCD have primarily their second tier players competing against the first teamers from the others (same for Solar isn't it?).

Regarding your painfully and obviously insistent attempt to get response to your 'consolidation' remark ... we've already been over this ... it's tired.  However, if you'd like to present a specific question that is worthy of response, I may recapitulate.

Or, even better ... if you have an intelligent retort to the actual gist of this thread ... you know -- the one about the level of talent dropping in ECNL due to it leaving for the DA ... let's hear it.  Cuz that would be super Very Happy

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Post by SickofStupidity 01/12/17, 12:54 pm

Sorry, missed the part where competitiveness over the course of a season was based on goal differential.  I thought it was based on win-loss record.  Maybe we could get all the leagues to change their rankings to goal differential, then get them to add a really bad team everyone could beat up on to boost their "competitive" goal differential.  Rolling Eyes

I'm sure the fans in Philadelphia thought their MLS team was "competitive" this season too.

So basically, you are saying we can expect FCD to have one really good team in each age group, but after that, a bunch of crappy ones because their second tier players are competing against everyone else's first teamers?  Now that is about the stupidest thing you have said on this board (and that is saying a lot).  Even if you look just to NTX ECNL clubs - 5 of them - FCD generally finds themselves at the bottom (even compared to Texans and Solar "second-teamers").

Each DA team had access to all the top talent in NTX - and let's assume that most top talent gravitated there.  Next we had the pool of players after the top 50.  That pool was free to join any ECNL team - FCD, Solar, Feet, etc.  One would think that this "second tier" talent distribution would be spread relatively evenly across the clubs - unless there was another "draw" (location, coach, cost, club history . . . DA club, etc.)  

And the assertion that has been made numerous times, is that the draw - their DA status - would lead to the consolidation of talent to DA clubs.  That the Big 3 ECNL teams are just one step below their DA teams - a selling point ECNL-only clubs don't have.

Yes, yes, I know we are only 1 year in, but maybe, just maybe, what we are seeing is:
  (1) the DA "draw" just wasn't there for non-DA players,
  (2) the DA draw was there, but the coaches weren't able to produce results, or
  (3) the DA draw was there, but FCD ECNL coaches are focusing on development and not winning

And as for Solar . . . way more competitive than FCD - in win-loss AND (aside from U14) your goal-differential measure.

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