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Post by TheKeeper'sDad on Sun Oct 22, 2017 7:33 am

What (if any) club/team offers the best development for their Keepers? I've noticed that development time during practices gets focused on field players, but the Keeper position is just as important. I mean, at the start of every session coaches are on this message board looking for Keepers, but what are they doing to develop them once they have a willing Keeper?

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Post by Medicine Man on Sun Oct 22, 2017 7:47 am

Most teams don't need a full time goalie unless they have a poor defense. I think you would be better served FOCUSING on field skills and guest playing w multiple teams to get more action. There's is a huge need for that for tournaments. Theres not many game changers that can dominate a good backside that I have seen across the board and we see it in the scores.

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Post by KeeperCommander on Sun Oct 22, 2017 10:16 am

Step one is play for a team that NEEDS a true keeper. That will allow for maximum touches. Second you have to get the most out of each training session that your coach offers. Keepers need good feet too. Third you have to get the keeper training from an outside source at least 2-3 times per month on top of what the club offers. When you do make it to a top team they will need a top keeper because they SHOULD be playing great teams on a consistent basis.

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Post by Big Ern on Sun Oct 22, 2017 10:23 am

While your GK shouldn't neglect work with a ball at her feet (the only accurate bit in BigBoy's post here), she should be working with a coach (not a trainer), as well as on her own at home.

As I'm sure you're aware, all of the bigs and most of the others have GK coaches on staff and offer training sessions.  These are most typically "training" with large groups and quick reps ... good to improve fitness, but much of the time, won't correct poor habits or help with mental aspect of the position.  At the higher levels at the bigs (both age and level of play), these sessions are more intimate, more often, and often are incorporated into team training sessions.

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Post by TheKeeper'sDad on Sun Oct 22, 2017 10:44 am

So basically I should keep doing what I've been doing for my DD, pay for more development on top of the club dues?

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Post by KeeperCommander on Sun Oct 22, 2017 10:52 am

TheKeeper'sDad wrote:So basically I should keep doing what I've been doing for my DD, pay for more development on top of the club dues?
Good Lord, you are not paying for development. You are paying for training, development is just what happens when you train correctly and effectively. Yes it costs more money. More importanty it costs more time reinforcing what they need to master.

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Post by KeeperCommander on Sun Oct 22, 2017 10:57 am

And dont get caught up in what you call the person training your DD. If they are helping then they are doing their job. Different voices can sometimes be a blessing as long as they do not contradict one another.
Have been to a ton of "coaches", some could not coach themselves out of a paper bag. That is all.

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Post by Big Ern on Sun Oct 22, 2017 10:58 am

Until she is playing at the ECNL or DA level, you probably aren't going to be satisfied with what your club provides for GKs so, (unfortunately) yes.

It's a positional issue -- similar to our having to pay extra for gloves and GK jerseys.

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Post by Guest on Sun Oct 22, 2017 12:13 pm

As much as we all want our kids getting tons of PT in games, don't knock the virtues of sitting the bench some, especially for GK's.

As strange as this will sound, I firmly believe that one of the best things that happened for my DD's development was having to sit out her Freshman (U15) year due to injury.

From U12-U14, she was the only GK on her team, and therefore was always out on the field.  The year she spent sitting the bench at every game with her injury gave her an entirely different view and perspective of the game, and she got to hear ALL of the  coaches comments, not only relating to the keeper, but the backline, mids, etc...  Kind of like a year's worth of real-time film review. A perspective she never was getting between the pipes 50+ yards away from the coaches always having the same viewpoint of the field action.

When she got back into games after her injury, it was immediately clear that her tactical understand of the game, instructing/positioning her back line, her distributions, etc., were at a completely different level.

Would never wish an injury on a kid, but just the perspective that sometimes, sitting the bench can actually be the best thing for a player's development, if the time on the bench is approached with the correct perspective.

Firebomb away folks...

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Post by Big Ern on Sun Oct 22, 2017 12:14 pm

bwgophers wrote:As much as we all want our kids getting tons of PT in games, don't knock the virtues of sitting the bench some, especially for GK's.

As strange as this will sound, I firmly believe that one of the best things that happened for my DD's development was having to sit out her Freshman (U15) year due to injury.

From U12-U14, she was the only GK on her team, and therefore was always out on the field.  The year she spent sitting the bench at every game with her injury gave her an entirely different view and perspective of the game, and she got to hear ALL of the  coaches comments, not only relating to the keeper, but the backline, mids, etc...  Kind of like a year's worth of real-time film review. A perspective she never was getting between the pipes 50+ yards away from the coaches always having the same viewpoint of the field action.

When she got back into games after her injury, it was immediately clear that her tactical understand of the game, instructing/positioning her back line, her distributions, etc., were at a completely different level.

Would never wish an injury on a kid, but just the perspective that sometimes, sitting the bench can actually be the best thing for a player's development, if the time on the bench is approached with the correct perspective.

Firebomb away folks...

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Post by KeeperCommander on Sun Oct 22, 2017 2:24 pm

BigErn wrote:
bwgophers wrote:As much as we all want our kids getting tons of PT in games, don't knock the virtues of sitting the bench some, especially for GK's.

As strange as this will sound, I firmly believe that one of the best things that happened for my DD's development was having to sit out her Freshman (U15) year due to injury.

From U12-U14, she was the only GK on her team, and therefore was always out on the field.  The year she spent sitting the bench at every game with her injury gave her an entirely different view and perspective of the game, and she got to hear ALL of the  coaches comments, not only relating to the keeper, but the backline, mids, etc...  Kind of like a year's worth of real-time film review. A perspective she never was getting between the pipes 50+ yards away from the coaches always having the same viewpoint of the field action.

When she got back into games after her injury, it was immediately clear that her tactical understand of the game, instructing/positioning her back line, her distributions, etc., were at a completely different level.

Would never wish an injury on a kid, but just the perspective that sometimes, sitting the bench can actually be the best thing for a player's development, if the time on the bench is approached with the correct perspective.

Firebomb away folks...

SPOT EFFING ON.
Clearly some of the best coaches that were backup players in the pros (doesnt matter the sport) had the benefit of those sideline lessons. They have the better understanding regardless of the talent.

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Post by Medicine Man on Sun Oct 22, 2017 2:34 pm

Keepers are in demand I recommend all to post availability replace the lack of development at the club and get a good trainer....There's plenty of teams probably at least half maybe closer to 3/4 That need a goalie.you will have plenty contact you to guest play in tournaments year round. Just advertise... Basketball

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Post by KeeperCommander on Mon Oct 23, 2017 6:33 am

Medicine Man wrote:Keepers are in demand I recommend all to post availability replace the lack of development at the club and get a good trainer....There's plenty of teams probably at least half maybe closer to 3/4 That need a goalie.you will have plenty contact you to guest play in tournaments year round. Just advertise... Basketball
I thought you just said MOST teams didn’t need a good keeper if they had a good defense. You have to make up your mind. It’s that thing between your ears that’s allows you to remember your password for this site. Something that most of us wish you would forget.

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Post by Medicine Man on Mon Oct 23, 2017 6:52 am

There is no development or teams anymore KC. They should play on lots of pooled tournaments and find a trainer.

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Post by Medicine Man on Mon Oct 23, 2017 7:04 am

I thought you were the keeper commander. You should be called camo man wo his undies w some of your recommendations. Really disappointed KC.

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Post by KeeperCommander on Mon Oct 23, 2017 8:18 am

Medicine Man wrote:I thought you were the keeper commander. You should be called camo man wo his undies w some of your recommendations. Really disappointed KC.

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You should really start taking your meds again.

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Post by Medicine Man on Mon Oct 23, 2017 12:11 pm

Captain Commando you should know better about helping a goal keeper.

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Post by KeeperCommander on Mon Oct 23, 2017 12:31 pm

I do, and its one word. Settle down.

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Post by Medicine Man on Tue Oct 24, 2017 4:04 pm

KC, I'm perplexed.

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Post by KeeperCommander on Tue Oct 24, 2017 4:06 pm

Why does that not surprise me.

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Post by Medicine Man on Tue Oct 24, 2017 4:31 pm

I got you pegged KC. The key witness.

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