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Re: Announcing New Club Invites

Post by AngelinaGoalee on 23/02/18, 12:45 pm

Hang1053 wrote:I just went to the Liverpool website and saw this article dated 2 days ago.
http://www.liverpoolfcamerica-ntx.com/news_article/show/889332?referrer_id=316677

Looks like they may be gearing up for it.



Should have made that move before AF's LP Elite teams talent made their way to the Bigs. Guess they didnt really have a say so in the matter prior to now right.

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Post by Zizou on 23/02/18, 01:00 pm

AngelinaGoalee wrote:
Hang1053 wrote:I just went to the Liverpool website and saw this article dated 2 days ago.
http://www.liverpoolfcamerica-ntx.com/news_article/show/889332?referrer_id=316677

Looks like they may be gearing up for it.



Should have made that move before AF's LP Elite teams talent made their way to the Bigs. Guess they didnt really have a say so in the matter prior to now right.


5 possible ECNL teams and even three ECNL teams makes for some very thin ice in that league.

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Post by Zizou on 23/02/18, 01:00 pm

Sting and D’feeters has to hate hearing that news.

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Post by Zizou on 23/02/18, 01:02 pm

If Sting could go back, Do you think they would change their decision to go GDA?

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Post by KeeperCommander on 23/02/18, 01:09 pm

Zizou wrote:Sting and D’feeters has to hate hearing that news.
Why would anyone think that?

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Post by FroZone on 23/02/18, 01:31 pm

Zizou wrote:If Sting could go back, Do you think they would change their decision to go GDA?

C'mon Ziz. As long as Kenny is running things, you really think he has any regrets about not going DA?
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Post by Zizou on 23/02/18, 02:12 pm

True that

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Post by Gunners on 23/02/18, 02:22 pm

Zizou wrote:If Sting could go back, Do you think they would change their decision to go GDA?

Ill-informed much?

The only people that would change their decision about DA is the NUMEROUS clubs from coast to coast that hate virtually every aspect of what USSF has forced upon them.

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Post by AngelinaGoalee on 23/02/18, 02:26 pm

Gunners wrote:
Zizou wrote:If Sting could go back, Do you think they would change their decision to go GDA?

Ill-informed much?

The only people that would change their decision about DA is the NUMEROUS clubs from coast to coast that hate virtually every aspect of what USSF has forced upon them.

This has a BigE response literally written(typed) all over it........study

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Post by timmyh on 23/02/18, 03:13 pm

When are ECNL and GDA expected to actually announce their additions for next year?

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Post by DeltaTauChi on 23/02/18, 03:40 pm

If you step back and look at things from a 10,000 foot level, something most of this forum is incapable of doing, you can argue that not much has changed over the past 15 years or so.

Every year, the majority of the top D1 level talent in NTX, ends up consolidating on ~3 rosters.  Doesn't matter if you are talking about the good 'ol days of LH + USYSA PL/NL, the 2011-2017 time frame when ECNL ruled the roost, or this year with DA + ECNL.

You can go back through the archives any of the past 15 years and look at the college commitments from NTX, and you'll see ~3 teams stand out from the others in terms of # and quality of D1 schools the players committed to.  The team, club, league will differ over that time, but it's always ~3 teams that dominate.  By the way, those will also be the NTX teams that competed well on the National scene.  Imagine that.  For the 2018's, it's Solar DA, FCD DA, D'Feeters ECNL, and to a lesser extent, Sting ECNL.

The fact of the matter is that it's really only those top 3 or so teams that truly need to be traveling and competing on a national basis because those are the majority of the kids that will get recruited nationwide and need to be playing with and against the best players in the country, because that's what they are going to compete against in college.

The majority of the rest have gone, and will continue to go to lower tier D1, D2, and D3 programs in TX, OK, AK, or LA and would be perfectly served playing their club soccer in local/regional leagues like LH, PL, TCL, and going to the better regional showcases like Texas Cup, FC Dallas, DIGC, Lonestar, and a couple of the Houston showcases.  They'll see all the coaches they need to there.

However, because of ego and the almighty $$, you've got more parents paying more money to play on more teams in more leagues and travel to more showcases then are really necessary.

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Post by Big Ern on 23/02/18, 03:55 pm

AngelinaGoalee wrote:
Gunners wrote:
Zizou wrote:If Sting could go back, Do you think they would change their decision to go GDA?

Ill-informed much?

The only people that would change their decision about DA is the NUMEROUS clubs from coast to coast that hate virtually every aspect of what USSF has forced upon them.

This has a BigE response literally written(typed) all over it........study  

That's fair AG ...

But I generally stay away from responding to posts from the MedMan --

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Post by ForReal on 23/02/18, 04:00 pm

DeltaTauChi wrote:If you step back and look at things from a 10,000 foot level, something most of this forum is incapable of doing, you can argue that not much has changed over the past 15 years or so.

Every year, the majority of the top D1 level talent in NTX, ends up consolidating on ~3 rosters.  Doesn't matter if you are talking about the good 'ol days of LH + USYSA PL/NL, the 2011-2017 time frame when ECNL ruled the roost, or this year with DA + ECNL.

You can go back through the archives any of the past 15 years and look at the college commitments from NTX, and you'll see ~3 teams stand out from the others in terms of # and quality of D1 schools the players committed to.  The team, club, league will differ over that time, but it's always ~3 teams that dominate.  By the way, those will also be the NTX teams that competed well on the National scene.  Imagine that.  For the 2018's, it's Solar DA, FCD DA, D'Feeters ECNL, and to a lesser extent, Sting ECNL.

The fact of the matter is that it's really only those top 3 or so teams that truly need to be traveling and competing on a national basis because those are the majority of the kids that will get recruited nationwide and need to be playing with and against the best players in the country, because that's what they are going to compete against in college.

The majority of the rest have gone, and will continue to go to lower tier D1, D2, and D3 programs in TX, OK, AK, or LA and would be perfectly served playing their club soccer in local/regional leagues like LH, PL, TCL, and going to the better regional showcases like Texas Cup, FC Dallas, DIGC, Lonestar, and a couple of the Houston showcases.  They'll see all the coaches they need to there.

However, because of ego and the almighty $$, you've got more parents paying more money to play on more teams in more leagues and travel to more showcases then are really necessary.

I don't disagree with you to a large extent. My point and question is simply: where are the players going to go/play if the Big 3 drop ECNL? A few might make it on D'Feeters or Sting ECNL teams. But let's say those Big 3 ECNL teams want to stay largely intact. Perhaps they become the TCL teams (still a fair amount of travel and expense, and can you imagine if the Big 3 are excluded from TCL?). What happens to the TCL players? They have to find spots on LH teams? 18 girls. FCD doesn't have a D1 team at U15. So, they could join a D2 team perhaps, but what about the players on the D2 teams? That's just one example. All I'm saying is that it going to create a lot of problems if the Big 3 leave ECNL - and not just for their ECNL players. The dominoes start to fall. And then you've gutted NTX ECNL, forcing more travel and/or to accept clubs that aren't ready to compete. But to your point, you might be satisfied with that, but I think it will take several years for all that to settle out. In the interim, several DDs are going to be scrambling year in and year out.

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Post by DeltaTauChi on 23/02/18, 04:36 pm

ForReal wrote:
DeltaTauChi wrote:If you step back and look at things from a 10,000 foot level, something most of this forum is incapable of doing, you can argue that not much has changed over the past 15 years or so.

Every year, the majority of the top D1 level talent in NTX, ends up consolidating on ~3 rosters.  Doesn't matter if you are talking about the good 'ol days of LH + USYSA PL/NL, the 2011-2017 time frame when ECNL ruled the roost, or this year with DA + ECNL.

You can go back through the archives any of the past 15 years and look at the college commitments from NTX, and you'll see ~3 teams stand out from the others in terms of # and quality of D1 schools the players committed to.  The team, club, league will differ over that time, but it's always ~3 teams that dominate.  By the way, those will also be the NTX teams that competed well on the National scene.  Imagine that.  For the 2018's, it's Solar DA, FCD DA, D'Feeters ECNL, and to a lesser extent, Sting ECNL.

The fact of the matter is that it's really only those top 3 or so teams that truly need to be traveling and competing on a national basis because those are the majority of the kids that will get recruited nationwide and need to be playing with and against the best players in the country, because that's what they are going to compete against in college.

The majority of the rest have gone, and will continue to go to lower tier D1, D2, and D3 programs in TX, OK, AK, or LA and would be perfectly served playing their club soccer in local/regional leagues like LH, PL, TCL, and going to the better regional showcases like Texas Cup, FC Dallas, DIGC, Lonestar, and a couple of the Houston showcases.  They'll see all the coaches they need to there.

However, because of ego and the almighty $$, you've got more parents paying more money to play on more teams in more leagues and travel to more showcases then are really necessary.

I don't disagree with you to a large extent.  My point and question is simply: where are the players going to go/play if the Big 3 drop ECNL?  A few might make it on D'Feeters or Sting ECNL teams.  But let's say those Big 3 ECNL teams want to stay largely intact.  Perhaps they become the TCL teams (still a fair amount of travel and expense, and can you imagine if the Big 3 are excluded from TCL?).  What happens to the TCL players?  They have to find spots on LH teams?  18 girls.  FCD doesn't have a D1 team at U15.  So, they could join a D2 team perhaps, but what about the players on the D2 teams?  That's just one example.  All I'm saying is that it going to create a lot of problems if the Big 3 leave ECNL - and not just for their ECNL players.  The dominoes start to fall.  And then you've gutted NTX ECNL, forcing more travel and/or to accept clubs that aren't ready to compete.  But to your point, you might be satisfied with that, but I think it will take several years for all that to settle out.  In the interim, several DDs are going to be scrambling year in and year out.      

Welcome to NTX club soccer. It's always evolving (or in some cases devolving). Change is constant. Players shuffle and get shuffled all the time. Sometimes it's fair, sometimes it's not. We've all survived this long, we'll all keep on surviving.

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Post by ForReal on 23/02/18, 04:39 pm

So you agree. Absent the AP change when most everyone had to shuffle, this will be shuffling far beyond the annual shuffle.

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Post by DeltaTauChi on 23/02/18, 04:53 pm

ForReal wrote:
I don't disagree with you to a large extent.  My point and question is simply: where are the players going to go/play if the Big 3 drop ECNL?  A few might make it on D'Feeters or Sting ECNL teams.  But let's say those Big 3 ECNL teams want to stay largely intact.  Perhaps they become the TCL teams (still a fair amount of travel and expense, and can you imagine if the Big 3 are excluded from TCL?).  What happens to the TCL players?  They have to find spots on LH teams?  18 girls.

Let me clue you in on something. Outside of the Texans U13 ECNL (DTS '05) team, the Texans, FCD, and Solar teams playing in ECNL this year were the clubs' TCL teams last year, and frankly, the majority of the Texans and FCD teams would be better served playing TCL instead of ECNL. With the exception of the aforementioned DTS '05 team, Texans and FCD don't have a single team above 7th place in the conference standings. Solar has at least been able to keep most of their teams around the center of table in all age groups.

You can argue about whether the travel associated with TCL is worth it, but at least there, you are only talking about regional travel by car, and you are covering the region where the majority of those kids are going to go to college (whether or not they play soccer). Also, the TCL team generally attend the regional showcases I mentioned in my original post, which again, is where most of the regional small D1-D3 coaches are going to be scouting for players, and that's the caliber of player most of those TCL kids are. That makes a helluva lot more sense then going to Orlando, or Phoenix for an ECNL showcase for most of those players - emphasis on most, there are always exceptions to the rule.

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Post by DeltaTauChi on 23/02/18, 04:59 pm

ForReal wrote:So you agree.  Absent the AP change when most everyone had to shuffle, this will be shuffling far beyond the annual shuffle.  

No. I don't agree. There's always shuffling. There was ton's of shuffling the first couple of years of ECNL. Then there was a ton of shuffling a year or two before AP when LH decided to allow the ECNL clubs to dual-roster up to 50% and keep their LH byes. Then there was a ton of shuffling due to AP and JDL. Then there was a bunch of shuffling due to DA. Now it looks like there will be a bunch of shuffling if JDL goes away and/or some of the DA clubs drop or are dropped from ECNL. Same $#!+, different year.

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Post by Big Ern on 23/02/18, 05:00 pm

ForReal wrote:
DeltaTauChi wrote:If you step back and look at things from a 10,000 foot level, something most of this forum is incapable of doing, you can argue that not much has changed over the past 15 years or so.

Every year, the majority of the top D1 level talent in NTX, ends up consolidating on ~3 rosters.  Doesn't matter if you are talking about the good 'ol days of LH + USYSA PL/NL, the 2011-2017 time frame when ECNL ruled the roost, or this year with DA + ECNL.

You can go back through the archives any of the past 15 years and look at the college commitments from NTX, and you'll see ~3 teams stand out from the others in terms of # and quality of D1 schools the players committed to.  The team, club, league will differ over that time, but it's always ~3 teams that dominate.  By the way, those will also be the NTX teams that competed well on the National scene.  Imagine that.  For the 2018's, it's Solar DA, FCD DA, D'Feeters ECNL, and to a lesser extent, Sting ECNL.

The fact of the matter is that it's really only those top 3 or so teams that truly need to be traveling and competing on a national basis because those are the majority of the kids that will get recruited nationwide and need to be playing with and against the best players in the country, because that's what they are going to compete against in college.

The majority of the rest have gone, and will continue to go to lower tier D1, D2, and D3 programs in TX, OK, AK, or LA and would be perfectly served playing their club soccer in local/regional leagues like LH, PL, TCL, and going to the better regional showcases like Texas Cup, FC Dallas, DIGC, Lonestar, and a couple of the Houston showcases.  They'll see all the coaches they need to there.

However, because of ego and the almighty $$, you've got more parents paying more money to play on more teams in more leagues and travel to more showcases then are really necessary.

I don't disagree with you to a large extent.  My point and question is simply: where are the players going to go/play if the Big 3 drop ECNL?  A few might make it on D'Feeters or Sting ECNL teams.  But let's say those Big 3 ECNL teams want to stay largely intact.  Perhaps they become the TCL teams (still a fair amount of travel and expense, and can you imagine if the Big 3 are excluded from TCL?).  What happens to the TCL players?  They have to find spots on LH teams?  18 girls.  FCD doesn't have a D1 team at U15.  So, they could join a D2 team perhaps, but what about the players on the D2 teams?  That's just one example.  All I'm saying is that it going to create a lot of problems if the Big 3 leave ECNL - and not just for their ECNL players.  The dominoes start to fall.  And then you've gutted NTX ECNL, forcing more travel and/or to accept clubs that aren't ready to compete.  But to your point, you might be satisfied with that, but I think it will take several years for all that to settle out.  In the interim, several DDs are going to be scrambling year in and year out.      

Very well put DTX.

If FCD and Solar were to lose their ECNL memberships (if I had to guess I'd say it won't happen next year), I'm confident (based on conversations I've had with some at those clubs) that they each will have an effective and appealing plan in place for those kids to minimize the "scrambling".

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Post by ForReal on 23/02/18, 05:01 pm

DeltaTauChi wrote:
ForReal wrote:
I don't disagree with you to a large extent.  My point and question is simply: where are the players going to go/play if the Big 3 drop ECNL?  A few might make it on D'Feeters or Sting ECNL teams.  But let's say those Big 3 ECNL teams want to stay largely intact.  Perhaps they become the TCL teams (still a fair amount of travel and expense, and can you imagine if the Big 3 are excluded from TCL?).  What happens to the TCL players?  They have to find spots on LH teams?  18 girls.

Let me clue you in on something.  Outside of the Texans U13 ECNL (DTS '05) team, the Texans, FCD, and Solar teams playing in ECNL this year were the clubs' TCL teams last year, and frankly, the majority of the Texans and FCD teams would be better served playing TCL instead of ECNL.  With the exception of the aforementioned DTS '05 team, Texans and FCD don't have a single team above 7th place in the conference standings.  Solar has at least been able to keep most of their teams around the center of table in all age groups.

You can argue about whether the travel associated with TCL is worth it, but at least there, you are only talking about regional travel by car, and you are covering the region where the majority of those kids are going to go to college (whether or not they play soccer).  Also, the TCL team generally attend the regional showcases I mentioned in my original post, which again, is where most of the regional small D1-D3 coaches are going to be scouting for players, and that's the caliber of player most of those TCL kids are.  That makes a helluva lot more sense then going to Orlando, or Phoenix for an ECNL showcase for most of those players - emphasis on most, there are always exceptions to the rule.

You aren't cluing me in on anything.  Let me clue you in on something.  Every U14 TCL team this year wasn't an ECNL team last year.  You're missing the point.  I'm not arguing with you about the appropriate level of play and travel.  I'm just demonstrating what a disruption the departure of 2-3 of the Big 3 from ECNL (and potentially TCL) will have on the future for many, many DDs.

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Post by Zizou on 23/02/18, 05:37 pm

Gunners wrote:
Zizou wrote:If Sting could go back, Do you think they would change their decision to go GDA?

Ill-informed much?

The only people that would change their decision about DA is the NUMEROUS clubs from coast to coast that hate virtually every aspect of what USSF has forced upon them.

Let’s see how Ill-informed I am when Liverpool gets an ECNL bid and start pulling players and money from Sting and D’feeters. Those clubs that have the GDA knew exactly what they were getting into through all three have the boys Academy.

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Post by timmyh on 23/02/18, 07:03 pm

Zizou wrote:If Sting could go back, Do you think they would change their decision to go GDA?

I think the answer is unquestionably yes.  However, I am in the camp that thinks ECNLs days as a platform for elite players and teams are numbered. I also believe Sting, because of its rich history, could very likely rejoin the GDA in a year or two should it indeed turn out that ECNL becomes a pale shadow of its former self.
I fully admit I could be totally wrong when it's all said and done,  but to me the writing is on the wall.

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Post by Medicine Man on 23/02/18, 07:08 pm

This next cycle going to get ugly age pure was a walk in the park. Okie still going to cross the border to buy his case of 6 point beer. You got money they got the time.

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Post by 918soccer on 24/02/18, 04:14 am

Sounds to me like a few DA parents on this forum might be overly optimistic about the league... at least in its current state. From an outside perspective, ECNL would appear to still have an advantage in several age groups, higher college signing numbers and more NWSL draft picks. A few are predicting this trend to reverse in the coming years but I believe there is a real possibility that ECNL could gain momentum with just a few changes.  

For example, ECNL is already stronger in STX with 3 quality clubs (Albion, Challenge, Classics Elite) compared to 1.5 for DA. There is talk of adding another DA club in STX but Albion reportedly turned it down and is staying ECNL. That leaves NTX. If the Texans drop DA, Liverpool is added and Solar stays ECNL (Solar's 2nd teams are often competitive with their top teams), that would give ECNL twice as many quality clubs in TX as DA. Admittedly, FCD, Solar and Lonestar will have great teams, but they won't be better than their ECNL counterparts in every age group and ECNL would simply have more quality teams to play in TX. Isn't that the definition of the "best" league? Out of respect for the Energy parents on this forum, I will not suggest which club is stronger in Oklahoma between TSC and Energy, but my point is, just a few changes can impact the overall quality of the league and I wouldn't be surprised if that trends in favor of ECNL next year.

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Post by Medicine Man on 24/02/18, 05:31 am

It's all watered down at the end of the day. Too many chiefs in the teepee.

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Post by Zizou on 24/02/18, 06:49 am

918soccer wrote:Sounds to me like a few DA parents on this forum might be overly optimistic about the league... at least in its current state. From an outside perspective, ECNL would appear to still have an advantage in several age groups, higher college signing numbers and more NWSL draft picks. A few are predicting this trend to reverse in the coming years but I believe there is a real possibility that ECNL could gain momentum with just a few changes.  

For example, ECNL is already stronger in STX with 3 quality clubs (Albion, Challenge, Classics Elite) compared to 1.5 for DA. There is talk of adding another DA club in STX but Albion reportedly turned it down and is staying ECNL. That leaves NTX. If the Texans drop DA, Liverpool is added and Solar stays ECNL (Solar's 2nd teams are often competitive with their top teams), that would give ECNL twice as many quality clubs in TX as DA. Admittedly, FCD, Solar and Lonestar will have great teams, but they won't be better than their ECNL counterparts in every age group and ECNL would simply have more quality teams to play in TX. Isn't that the definition of the "best" league? Out of respect for the Energy parents on this forum, I will not suggest which club is stronger in Oklahoma between TSC and Energy, but my point is, just a few changes can impact the overall quality of the league and I wouldn't be surprised if that trends in favor of ECNL next year.

Actually no, quality is not in the number of clubs in your league. Adding Liverpool and having 5 ECNL teams will water down the product. Two DA clubs taking the top players in the division and 5 ECNL clubs fighting over the others does not sound like a good recipe for the ECNL clubs. FCD and Solar being the only DA teams in Dallas would be perfect.

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Post by TulsaFootballDad on 24/02/18, 07:20 am

I agree that 2 DA clubs would be perfect for Dallas. Just like we all know every top talent doesn’t play DA. ECNL will continue to roll out the players to college. Those 40 kids per 2 age groups isn’t even scratching on all of the talent in the DFW area unless those 40 are your DD’s. I guess if it makes you feel better to keep saying your the best then play the rest and prove it. DiGC will be a pretty good indicator. Once the ECNL kicks out the homers they can move on and rethink that so called 2nd league for the remaining kids that believe that ellusive national team spot is going to materialize.
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