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Post by ColtMcVince on Mon Feb 05, 2018 11:59 am

While I’m not tracking minutes, I have not seen a team in JDL or LH keep kids sitting on the bench. Coaches seem to be actively rotating players. Not sure that translates to 70% per kid. But totally agree, if you are getting less than 50% even, what are you doing?

DA and ECNL may be doing something different but we do not partake.

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Post by Big Ern on Mon Feb 05, 2018 12:25 pm

DEVELOPMENT

This occurs every time a player touches a ball or watches the game.  Therefore, very little of a player's overall development comes from match play time.  Therefore, the majority of real development comes during team or individual training, playing at home on his or her own, and from watching higher level matches.  

Apologies to those of you that have heard this from me before.  Every once in awhile after reading the same confused misinterpretation of the word, I just can't help myself.

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Post by ColtMcVince on Mon Feb 05, 2018 12:30 pm

2 practices per week and one game (for some it’s more than that)

Game time equates to approximately 1/3 of time spent playing (unless of course you are doing extra). I would argue game time is a significant part of development.

And if you and/or your daughter has signed up for practice only on the ball time, you might just be wasting your time.

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Post by Guest on Mon Feb 05, 2018 12:39 pm

My question is.....if the kids are playing less than 50% then why were they put on team to begin with? It could really mess up a kid. That kid could come on a little bit later in life and be a stud. If your the coach and took the kid then your screwing up and being a bad coach.

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Post by Guest on Mon Feb 05, 2018 12:41 pm

I totally agree. Again though if the kid is that much lower which the 4 kids are not... then why sit them. Believe me team is pretty much all same level. One of the ones riding the bench trains and does extra training does futsal, very knowledgeable and intelligent and is a pass first option in the direct style this team plays. You going to tell me that kid can’t get time? Lol

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Post by ColtMcVince on Mon Feb 05, 2018 12:43 pm

Maybe, maybe not. What if said kid has been a part of that team for a couple years? The coach should either cut the kid or at a minimum be upfront with the parents and let them decide. If neither of those happen, you are right.

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Post by Big Ern on Mon Feb 05, 2018 12:54 pm

ColtMcVince wrote:2 practices per week and one game (for some it’s more than that)

Game time equates to approximately 1/3 of time spent playing (unless of course you are doing extra).  I would argue game time is a significant part of development.  

And if you and/or your daughter has signed up for practice only on the ball time, you might just be wasting your time.

Cute ^ (especially this) ...

So your kid doesn't train year round?  Must be that, or that she plays 52 weekends per year and 100% of each match?  And during those matches every weekend over the course of a year she has a ball at her feet most of the time, getting consistent repetition with each foot?  And she is able to freeze play, learn from technical/tactical mistakes, then recreate?  

So the youth in those countries that dominate the world participate in year round organized league play with coaches dictating play time?  Is this why those kids seem so well developed?

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Post by ColtMcVince on Mon Feb 05, 2018 1:00 pm

Nah man, I didn’t say any of that. You said little development occurs during the game. I couldn’t disagree more. You can’t replicate game speed, required decision making, pressure, awareness, etc in practice. Practice and having a ball at your feet is absolutely essential. But to say playing the game does little for development is plain wrong IMO. And I then took it a step further to say if you have signed up to get practice only, it should be clear to you that you’ve selected the wrong team for your daughter otherwise she’d be getting that game time.

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Post by ColtMcVince on Mon Feb 05, 2018 1:01 pm

Not to mention she is probably extremely bored.

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Post by Guest on Mon Feb 05, 2018 1:26 pm

To be honest other countries don’t like the American style. Often times they don’t count scores and they play futsal pickup games....why because they want kids to play without penalty don’t worry about making a mistake. When they get older then they start counting. Again though why would you develop 7out of 11 kids at a higher level and let the rest question why they play. You want kids to love the sport not hate it. Again our team is all pretty much same level so why sit kids and not play them?

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Post by ColtMcVince on Mon Feb 05, 2018 1:29 pm

Take that up with your coach. Good news is you’ll be able to change teams here in a few months.

North Texas soccer dictates this (clubs, coaches, parents) in spite of all the experts saying it’s not the best way to do it.

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Post by Medicine Man on Mon Feb 05, 2018 1:46 pm

70 percent is the mark to my daughter. She doesn't want to waste her time sitting on the bench. Find a team where you can get the touches on the field training is a separate entity. Theres lots of options out there outside the small pay to play club niche.

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Post by Guest on Mon Feb 05, 2018 2:46 pm

We are no doubt making a move, but others on the team do not understand their options.  My kid plays but I see extreme favoritism.  The kid I am worried about is a kid that played 6 minutes.  Good player being treated like that by a coach, is crazy.  It was eye opening for some of us parents.  Not sticking around for a bad experience for my child.


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Post by Big Ern on Mon Feb 05, 2018 2:48 pm

ColtMcVince wrote:Nah man, I didn’t say any of that.  You said little development occurs during the game.  I couldn’t disagree more.  You can’t replicate game speed, required decision making, pressure, awareness, etc in practice.  Practice and having a ball at your feet is absolutely essential.  But to say playing the game does little for development is plain wrong IMO.  And I then took it a step further to say if you have signed up to get practice only, it should be clear to you that you’ve selected the wrong team for your daughter otherwise she’d be getting that game time.  

Oh, you didn't ("2 practices per week and one game", "Game time equates to approximately 1/3 of time spent playing")?

And speaking of "it should be clear to you that you’ve selected the wrong team for your daughter" -- If your Coach cannot or does not "replicate game speed, required decision making, pressure, awareness, etc in practice", then ...

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Post by ColtMcVince on Mon Feb 05, 2018 3:24 pm

Big E, I think you are confused.

I didn’t say “if your coach can’t replicate ‘game conditions’...”
There was no reference to “if”. I said development occurs during games Bc game conditions can’t be replicated in practice.

Thanks for spinning my words. Let me clear it up for you as you apparently have misunderstood. “ You have selected the wrong team if your daughter doesn’t get off the bench during games Bc game conditions (with all of the aforementioned attributes) can not be replicated during practice. “


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Post by KeeperCommander on Mon Feb 05, 2018 3:34 pm

Development is relative to what you are trying to develop.

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Post by ColtMcVince on Mon Feb 05, 2018 3:38 pm

Hopefully we can all agree that we are fostering the development of being able to play soccer at a high level —- IN A GAME!!!

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Post by Big Ern on Mon Feb 05, 2018 3:49 pm

ColtMcVince wrote:Big E, your point is what exactly?  

Medicine Man said this “ Must be that, or that she plays 52 weekends per year and 100% of each match?  And during those matches every weekend over the course of a year she has a ball at her feet most of the time, getting consistent repetition with each foot?  And she is able to freeze play, learn from technical/tactical mistakes, then recreate? “

He also said that very little development occurs during games.  

Your cut and pasted quotes of mine were in reference to those comments directly.  

I also didn’t say “if your coach can’t replicate ‘game conditions’...”
There was no reference to “if”.  I said development occurs during games Bc game conditions can’t be replicated in practice.

Thanks for spinning my words.  Let me clear it up for you as you apparently have misunderstood.  “ You have selected the wrong team if your daughter doesn’t get off the bench during games Bc game conditions (with all of the aforementioned attributes) can not be replicated during practice.  “


My point?  Speaking of "clear it up for you" ...

I (not MedMan for Pete's sake) said "Must be that, or that she plays 52 weekends per year and 100% of each match?  And during those matches every weekend over the course of a year she has a ball at her feet most of the time, getting consistent repetition with each foot?  And she is able to freeze play, learn from technical/tactical mistakes, then recreate?"

Which was in reply to your "2 practices per week and one game", "Game time equates to approximately 1/3 of time spent playing (unless of course you are doing extra). I would argue game time is a significant part of development."

The foundation of your argument against my definition of "development" was that 1/3 of a player's time playing (development) comes during game time.  So by applying fourth grade math here, the only way the 1/3 number would be possible is if your kid doesn't train year round (maybe she's a recreational player?), has matches scheduled every weekend throughout the year, or plays in 50+ matches per year -- Which BTW, still wouldn't be the case ... you'd know this is you knew the game.

And it seems you are also unable to follow the other "speaking of".  For the layperson ...

If your coach cannot replicate game speed, required decision making, pressure, awareness, etc in practice, then it should be clear to you that you’ve selected the wrong team for your daughter ... to use your exact words.

I hope you're able to follow ... If not, then I just can't help ya at this point --

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Post by Foxysoccermom on Mon Feb 05, 2018 4:06 pm

Bige, didn't you say JDL would take care of all of these problems and to take lil foxy there? What is she supposed to do now?
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Post by ColtMcVince on Mon Feb 05, 2018 4:11 pm

Apologies for confusing with the other guy. A terrible, Terrible error on my part.

I’m still missing what you are saying - partially. Is it that since the ball isn’t at one players feet 100% of the time during the game that it cannot compare to practice where the coach is starting, stopping and teaching?

I didn’t get a calculator out but across 2 outdoor seasons, indoor/futsol, tournaments, etc., 50+ games wouldn’t be that far off I wouldn’t imagine. The same that you say about games can be said about practice — I have yet to come across a coach that spends 100% of practice stopping/starting/teaching, nor is a ball at the girls feet 100% of th time. I clearly stated that practice is absolutely essential. So we agree here yes?

You are saying game action should not be a part of a players development?

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Post by Big Ern on Mon Feb 05, 2018 4:20 pm

ColtMcVince wrote:Apologies for confusing with the other guy.  A terrible, Terrible error on my part.  

I’m still missing what you are saying - partially.  Is it that since the ball isn’t at one players feet 100% of the time during the game that it cannot compare to practice where the coach is starting, stopping and teaching?  

I didn’t get a calculator out but across 2 outdoor seasons, indoor/futsol, tournaments, etc., 50+ games wouldn’t be that far off I wouldn’t imagine.  The same that you say about games can be said about practice — I have yet to come across a coach that spends 100% of practice stopping/starting/teaching, nor is a ball at the girls feet 100% of th time.  I clearly stated that practice is absolutely essential.  So we agree here yes?  

You are saying game action should not be a part of a players development?  

"I have yet to come across a coach that spends 100% of practice stopping/starting/teaching, nor is a ball at the girls feet 100% of th time." ... neither have I.

DEVELOPMENT

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Post by Medicine Man on Mon Feb 05, 2018 4:21 pm

Pay to play soccer is business. I really don't think there any pure competitive soccer anymore anywhere soccerscrub. I really think you should consider alternative development options. I wish I had better news for you favoritism money and politics is across the board. I would look outside as an option as well. Most college coaches stress get your training in how that is done is up to you and make sure your kids gets playing time on the field.

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Post by ColtMcVince on Mon Feb 05, 2018 4:30 pm

Does that definition of development come from the north Texas Soccer handbook?

In all my years playing and watching sports, I’ve never come across anyone who said game play is not important.


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Post by Big Ern on Mon Feb 05, 2018 4:40 pm

Neither have I.

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Post by ColtMcVince on Mon Feb 05, 2018 4:48 pm

Yet you’ve said it twice (at least) and are arguing with me about it.

Maybe that is you Medicine Man...??

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Post by Guest on Mon Feb 05, 2018 5:00 pm

JDL is a joke when used like it’s being used.


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