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Post by AngelinaGoalee on 13/02/18, 04:12 pm

Big Ern wrote:Understood KC --

However, I don't think that anyone (including those at USSDA) would assume that GDA is the epitome of excellence, nor would they consider the ECNL to be lowly.  There is much variance in the concentration of talent across the country ... some areas (SoCal, Chicago, NTX, etc) are GDA heavy, others (NoCal, Vegas, STX) etc) are ECNL heavy.  What has been consistent in the transition however, is that the traditional powerhouse/top performing clubs (FC Dallas, Solar, SoCal Blues, Slammers, MI Hawks, PDA, Crossfire, Eclipse, Real CO among others) in the ECNL over the years, are now GDA clubs.  And these same clubs are generally now the top performing in GDA ... the beat goes on.  

Regarding DIGC ... If you asked one of the USSDA officials, he or she likely wouldn't even know what it was, let alone that a couple GDA teams will be playing ECNL teams.  To say that everyone will think it'd be an utter failure if FC Dallas U14 weren't facing off with Solar U14 in the final, is silly.  I can tell you that CP and AG will just look at those matchups like they would've last year ... the best of Solar vs the best of Sting, or the best of FCD vs the best of Texans.  When the big picture is put into perspective, there are, and will always be, some ECNL teams that can beat some GDA teams.  

It just happens to be my opinion (based on recent history) that nationwide, the top talent in general is now playing in GDA -- that's all  Wink

It’s statements from you like this that get the people in an uproar!!

But they disregard all the valid points you make prior to that.
You can look at the ECNL current standings and results and see where the talent went.

It really shows that the Texans have a slight flaw in their system also...U14 DA and ECNL are underachieving. There is one coach in that club that creates a big ripple and I’m just amazed at the effect he actually has still.


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Post by Foxysoccermom on 13/02/18, 04:51 pm

I thought you quit AGHO. Oh yeah you can't quit Bige! Kind of a Brokeback mountain kind of thing.
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Post by KeeperCommander on 14/02/18, 07:16 am

Big Ern wrote:Understood KC --

However, I don't think that anyone (including those at USSDA) would assume that GDA is the epitome of excellence, nor would they consider the ECNL to be lowly.  There is much variance in the concentration of talent across the country ... some areas (SoCal, Chicago, NTX, etc) are GDA heavy, others (NoCal, Vegas, STX) etc) are ECNL heavy.  What has been consistent in the transition however, is that the traditional powerhouse/top performing clubs (FC Dallas, Solar, SoCal Blues, Slammers, MI Hawks, PDA, Crossfire, Eclipse, Real CO among others) in the ECNL over the years, are now GDA clubs.  And these same clubs are generally now the top performing in GDA ... the beat goes on.  

Regarding DIGC ... If you asked one of the USSDA officials, he or she likely wouldn't even know what it was, let alone that a couple GDA teams will be playing ECNL teams.  To say that everyone will think it'd be an utter failure if FC Dallas U14 weren't facing off with Solar U14 in the final, is silly.  I can tell you that CP and AG will just look at those matchups like they would've last year ... the best of Solar vs the best of Sting, or the best of FCD vs the best of Texans.  When the big picture is put into perspective, there are, and will always be, some ECNL teams that can beat some GDA teams.  

It just happens to be my opinion (based on recent history) that nationwide, the top talent in general is now playing in GDA -- that's all  Wink
I can agree with most of that. Perhaps it would first be important to note that all statements are relevant. Meaning they shouldn’t be taken so much out of context. On both sides of the fence. Now to the meat on the bone. DIGC is renown throughout the soccer community, nation and some instances other countries. Yes every USSDA official has heard of it, lets not be silly.
As far as utter failure goes, we will see. So much talk has gone on here on the forum as to where the top talent plays and where it will stay, how ECNL will fold, debating where the recruitment will come from, who has the best training regimens or dietary requirements for players. No if you guys come out and take care of business in DGIC this will be the first place you guys come to congratulate yourself, and kudos if you do. Hats off, hip hip hooray to a job well done. You BigE are included in this as you have been very vocal about this yourself. Where it gets interesting would be again if DA does not do in this big tournament what it said all along it could do against the “rest” because of its superiority. One of the first times all the big talent plays in same tournament against one another on same stage. DAer’s cant hide if they do not perform, they cant change course either and say oh well it was the sun that was in my eyes and Trump was building this wall you see. It would all just be excuses. Time to work now, I will check back later on the whining.

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Post by AngelinaGoalee on 14/02/18, 07:52 am

KeeperCommander wrote:
Big Ern wrote:Understood KC --

However, I don't think that anyone (including those at USSDA) would assume that GDA is the epitome of excellence, nor would they consider the ECNL to be lowly.  There is much variance in the concentration of talent across the country ... some areas (SoCal, Chicago, NTX, etc) are GDA heavy, others (NoCal, Vegas, STX) etc) are ECNL heavy.  What has been consistent in the transition however, is that the traditional powerhouse/top performing clubs (FC Dallas, Solar, SoCal Blues, Slammers, MI Hawks, PDA, Crossfire, Eclipse, Real CO among others) in the ECNL over the years, are now GDA clubs.  And these same clubs are generally now the top performing in GDA ... the beat goes on.  

Regarding DIGC ... If you asked one of the USSDA officials, he or she likely wouldn't even know what it was, let alone that a couple GDA teams will be playing ECNL teams.  To say that everyone will think it'd be an utter failure if FC Dallas U14 weren't facing off with Solar U14 in the final, is silly.  I can tell you that CP and AG will just look at those matchups like they would've last year ... the best of Solar vs the best of Sting, or the best of FCD vs the best of Texans.  When the big picture is put into perspective, there are, and will always be, some ECNL teams that can beat some GDA teams.  

It just happens to be my opinion (based on recent history) that nationwide, the top talent in general is now playing in GDA -- that's all  Wink
I can agree with most of that.  Perhaps it would first be important to note that all statements are relevant. Meaning they shouldn’t be taken so much out of context. On both sides of the fence.  Now to the meat on the bone.  DIGC is renown throughout the soccer community, nation and some instances other countries.  Yes every USSDA official has heard of it, lets not be silly.  
As far as utter failure goes, we will see.  So much talk has gone on here on the forum as to where the top talent plays and where it will stay, how ECNL will fold, debating where the recruitment will come from, who has the best training regimens or dietary requirements for players.  No if you guys come out and take care of business in DGIC this will be the first place you guys come to congratulate yourself, and kudos if you do. Hats off, hip hip hooray to a job well done.  You BigE are included in this as you have been very vocal about this yourself.  Where it gets interesting would be again if DA does not do in this big tournament what it said all along it could do against the “rest” because of its superiority.  One of the first times all the big talent plays in same tournament against one another on same stage.  DAer’s cant hide if they do not perform, they cant change course either and say oh well it was the sun that was in my eyes and Trump was building this wall you see.  It would all just be excuses.  Time to work now, I will check back later on the whining.

So you’re saying...in the same light, “IF” GDA dominates, then it will be confirmation that GDA “IS” what all the GDA’ers say it is and ECNL’ers should bow down?

Or is it only pertinent to those of each side that post and lurk on this forum?

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Post by KeeperCommander on 14/02/18, 08:06 am

Well I guess in some regards you could say that, but not really. I am speaking more in a DAer mind not rational folks. I am not against DA just those that think the high and mighty stuff. If they win, great job and well that’s what was suppose to happen right. If they lose its not that simple. I believe it will be business as usual if they win most of the groups, accounts will be deleted and mass hysteria will ensue if they lose most of the groups. Kids might get enrolled at charter schools so they can practice more, maybe even pulled out of school all together so they can ensure they make the National Team.

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Post by AngelinaGoalee on 14/02/18, 08:21 am

just on this forum alone...theres Zizou and Big E....are there alot more "DA'ers?"
you know....to form a solid conclusion of how "DA'ers" will feel?

IF the DA doesn't dominate...."Inaugural" will be the key word or "excuse" I believe...which is "somewhat" justifiable.

I'm very neutral on the issue but I enjoy "pie in the face" of boastful people regardless of the issue.

DA vs ECNL could be a good thing...a great thing. I just want to know how valid the Intel is concerning college scouts favoring DA events over ECNL events.

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Post by Cleansheets on 14/02/18, 09:34 am

/\ They're not at this juncture. I have spoken to a few college coaches,(Ole Miss, Florida St. and a few others) about recruiting guidelines, etc. and DA vs ECNL. It's amazing how easy it is to reach and engage these coaches if you are polite and to the point with your questions. The responses I got were, their resources are limited so they try to catch as much as they can. They are aware of DA and its potential impact on player movement, however ECNL has been a very good recruiting venue for them. So it would be safe to bet they are not ready to throw the baby out with the bathwater. Just yet.

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Post by KeeperCommander on 14/02/18, 09:39 am

On college scout issue BigE is right for a few reasons. Regionally DA and ECNL is different. So for certain areas DA is going to rule the roost, others ECNL might have same pull as always. That also may change over the years back and forth. If you were a scout wouldn’t you want to go where the talent was. That may be both leagues. Have to be selective I suppose.

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Post by AngelinaGoalee on 14/02/18, 09:41 am

Cleansheets wrote:/\ They're not at this juncture. I have spoken to a few college coaches,(Ole Miss, Florida St. and a few others) about recruiting guidelines, etc. and DA vs ECNL. It's amazing how easy it is to reach and engage these coaches if you are polite and to the point with your questions. The responses I got were, their resources are limited so they try to catch as much as they can. They are aware of DA and its potential impact on player movement, however ECNL has been a very good recruiting venue for them. So it would be safe to bet they are not ready to throw the baby out with the bathwater. Just yet.

Refreshing to hear....
That was my initial assumption.

DA does have an alluring logo though.

That joker has to make you feel a bit closer to the real thing eh?



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Post by KeeperCommander on 14/02/18, 09:44 am

Cleansheets wrote:/\ They're not at this juncture. I have spoken to a few college coaches,(Ole Miss, Florida St. and a few others) about recruiting guidelines, etc. and DA vs ECNL. It's amazing how easy it is to reach and engage these coaches if you are polite and to the point with your questions. The responses I got were, their resources are limited so they try to catch as much as they can. They are aware of DA and its potential impact on player movement, however ECNL has been a very good recruiting venue for them. So it would be safe to bet they are not ready to throw the baby out with the bathwater. Just yet.
Have heard similar rumbles, we will see what the numbers show over the next couple years.

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Post by Zizou on 14/02/18, 10:20 am

You are correct with ECNL has been a good recruiting venue for them, but with limited spending budgets and player movement something will have to give.

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Post by AngelinaGoalee on 14/02/18, 10:26 am

Zizou wrote:You are correct with ECNL has been a good recruiting venue for them, but with limited spending budgets and player movement something will have to give.

When....will it give?

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Post by AngelinaGoalee on 14/02/18, 10:26 am

2 maybe 3 more seasons?

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Post by KeeperCommander on 14/02/18, 11:17 am

AngelinaGoalee wrote:2 maybe 3 more seasons?
The real change may never come but it might be next year.

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Post by Son_ofa_Pitch on 14/02/18, 12:40 pm

KeeperCommander wrote:On college scout issue BigE is right for a few reasons.  Regionally DA and ECNL is different.  So for certain areas DA is going to rule the roost, others ECNL might have same pull as always.  That also may change over the years back and forth.  If you were a scout wouldn’t you want to go where the talent was.  That may be both leagues.  Have to be selective I suppose.

Regionally DA and ECNL?? Are you referring to local games or showcases? This might have been covered but with DA you have all 69 DA clubs in one location per showcase. Not sure this applies to ECNL showcases. You will accumulate more coaches in one location with DA showcases than with ECNL from my understanding.
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Post by Zizou on 14/02/18, 01:00 pm

AngelinaGoalee wrote:2 maybe 3 more seasons?

My opinion, ECNL broke USYSA in two years. So I am going with two and three is for sure.

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Post by KeeperCommander on 14/02/18, 01:05 pm

No referring to what E was saying and agreeing with him. Some areas are heavier in DA or ECNL talent. Like you said, 69 DA clubs would be hard to pass up, so would certain showcases where some of the top ECNL teams were playing.

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Post by Son_ofa_Pitch on 14/02/18, 01:09 pm

KeeperCommander wrote:No referring to what E was saying and agreeing with him.  Some areas are heavier in DA or ECNL talent.  Like you said, 69 DA clubs would be hard to pass up, so would certain showcases where some of the top ECNL teams were playing.

Key word is "some"..
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Post by KeeperCommander on 14/02/18, 01:18 pm

Son_ofa_Pitch wrote:
KeeperCommander wrote:No referring to what E was saying and agreeing with him.  Some areas are heavier in DA or ECNL talent.  Like you said, 69 DA clubs would be hard to pass up, so would certain showcases where some of the top ECNL teams were playing.

Key word is "some"..
Ah another DA’er.  Well you better hope ALL your DA teams win at DIGC or your practice schedule will increase to 5 days a week. Very Happy
You know getting beat by someone who can only attract some of the scouts would be pretty hard to take for some of you.

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Post by Son_ofa_Pitch on 14/02/18, 01:23 pm

Im not worried about DIGC.. If a ECNL team beats a DA team, it happens. It won't diminish DA or increase the value of ECNL even more.. Everyone had their reasons for going DA or staying with ECNL. Im sure both league will be scouted but DA will be more so than ECNL from what I've seen. Take it for what its worth..
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Post by DeltaTauChi on 14/02/18, 01:47 pm

Have heard some comments from players and college coaches that DA is either mandating or strongly suggesting the formations and tactics that should be used by DA clubs, and that this is already leading to somewhat "predictable" play in DA games. Concerns that this is/will stifle creativity in the players and lead to struggles when faced with different formations/tactics from opponents outside of DA.

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DeltaTauChi wrote:Have heard some comments from players and college coaches that DA is either mandating or strongly suggesting the formations and tactics that should be used by DA clubs, and that this is already leading to somewhat "predictable" play in DA games.  Concerns that this is/will stifle creativity in the players and lead to struggles when faced with different formations/tactics from opponents outside of DA.

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You mean someone is trying to employ the joystick approach? You don’t say....

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Post by AngelinaGoalee on 14/02/18, 01:58 pm

DeltaTauChi wrote:Have heard some comments from players and college coaches that DA is either mandating or strongly suggesting the formations and tactics that should be used by DA clubs, and that this is already leading to somewhat "predictable" play in DA games.  Concerns that this is/will stifle creativity in the players and lead to struggles when faced with different formations/tactics from opponents outside of DA.

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I call BS on that one....no way.

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Post by NoSpinZone on 14/02/18, 02:02 pm

AngelinaGoalee wrote:
DeltaTauChi wrote:Have heard some comments from players and college coaches that DA is either mandating or strongly suggesting the formations and tactics that should be used by DA clubs, and that this is already leading to somewhat "predictable" play in DA games.  Concerns that this is/will stifle creativity in the players and lead to struggles when faced with different formations/tactics from opponents outside of DA.

Comments from the peanut gallery on this?

I call BS on that one....no way.

So say if, Texans, would want to play boot ball(not that they would Rolling Eyes ) US Soccer would be fine w that?  Or would US Soccer want a little more control in developing the next National Team pool?

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Post by AngelinaGoalee on 14/02/18, 02:17 pm

NoSpinZone wrote:
AngelinaGoalee wrote:
DeltaTauChi wrote:Have heard some comments from players and college coaches that DA is either mandating or strongly suggesting the formations and tactics that should be used by DA clubs, and that this is already leading to somewhat "predictable" play in DA games.  Concerns that this is/will stifle creativity in the players and lead to struggles when faced with different formations/tactics from opponents outside of DA.

Comments from the peanut gallery on this?

I call BS on that one....no way.

So say if, Texans, would want to play boot ball(not that they would Rolling Eyes ) US Soccer would be fine w that?  Or would US Soccer want a little more control in developing the next National Team pool?

Im not saying US Soccer "would be fine" with it....Im questioning the discipline and obedience of coaches.

I hear a certain Texans coach is lobbying for a DA position....so lets say that happens...hypothetically.
He is bringing his athletes and he is bringing his style of play. He wouldn't have time to employ and execute what US Soccer is asking for and he wants to win. Thats why I cant see that happening in too many other instances either.

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Post by Big Ern on 14/02/18, 11:25 pm

KeeperCommander wrote:
DeltaTauChi wrote:Have heard some comments from players and college coaches that DA is either mandating or strongly suggesting the formations and tactics that should be used by DA clubs, and that this is already leading to somewhat "predictable" play in DA games.  Concerns that this is/will stifle creativity in the players and lead to struggles when faced with different formations/tactics from opponents outside of DA.

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You mean someone is trying to employ the joystick approach? You don’t say....

^ HO-LEE-JEEZ.

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