Re: Could top teams LHGCL beat most JDL and bottom ECNL teams?

by 05girls on 3/27/2018, 5:24 pm

Forget DA for the moment, can anyone say what the highest level is without a shadow of a doubt?

by soccertard on 3/27/2018, 5:43 pm

by DeltaTauChi on 3/27/2018, 5:52 pm

soccertard wrote:PPL

Makes sense. It's where the majority of FC Dallas teams play.

by AngelinaGoalee on 3/27/2018, 6:10 pm

Whatever they say it is....

by Big Ern on 3/27/2018, 6:39 pm

AngelinaGoalee wrote:
Big Ern wrote:Ahhhfirmative foxy --

This ...

"until the big clubs decided they didn't want to play with the independents anymore", and "they would get even bigger share of the pie."

... are all kinds of "misinformed". Dilly, Dilly!

I’ll have to disagree with you on this one... to say all of this change was for the betterment of US soccer play!??! I just can see how. I mean, maybe it hasn’t come to pass yet.

Platforms and proposals or not....I just want my daughter playing at the highest level that’s the only reason I support. After that, could have left well enough alone.

It appears as if you may be confused here AG --

Are you disagreeing with my post here and if so, what exactly are you disagreeing with ... That SD69 is misinformed? If that's case (no biggie) but you are in the same boat Sir.

by Big Ern on 3/27/2018, 6:42 pm

Foxysoccermom wrote:Thank you for setting SD69 straight. He too lives in a misinformed universe and must feel scorned by what the big clubs have done to him.

Ohhh foxy -- such adorableness ... the naivety of a 7th grader.

Where is it in here "until the big clubs decided they didn't want to play with the independents anymore", and "they would get even bigger share of the pie.", that 69 didn't share misinformed information now? Further, where was it that I've ever used the term "misinformed" where that person in fact, was not?

And tell us all more about how most every post initiated here didn't come from somebody that wasn't indeed "scorned" ... SoSy for example. We all know (the smart folks, I mean), that the basis of the toxicity of this forum (and much of the landscape out there on the fields) is directly related to those scorned parents. You know, the usual suspects. The ones with multiple logins spewing misinformation and unfounded rumors based on ignorance and misconception with intention to stir up drama and defame those clubs, and parents of kids that have had success and generally positive experiences.

And show us where those parents are on here posting about how pissed they are about this, or frustrated they are about that. Hmmm ... Sure is curious that you don't see even a skosh of that isn't it Sir?

by AngelinaGoalee on 3/27/2018, 6:49 pm

Well put it this way....wasn’t “informed” of anything.
So I guess it’s you “knowing” vs my “speculation.”

You “know” that what SD posted was or is not the case right? I just “speculate” what he posted to “appear” accurate.

by Medicine Man on 3/27/2018, 8:44 pm

It's raining.

by AngelinaGoalee on 3/27/2018, 10:06 pm

Lmao.
Yes it is

by Big Ern on 3/27/2018, 10:33 pm

AngelinaGoalee wrote:Well put it this way....wasn’t “informed” of anything.
So I guess it’s you “knowing” vs my “speculation.”

You “know” that what SD posted was or is not the case right? I just “speculate” what he posted to “appear” accurate.

Understood AG --

Yes. The first part is obviously not the case as all of the clubs involved in JDL do indeed play with "independents" in various other leagues. The second part is unfounded ... I mean, how does the inception of JDL legitimately give those clubs involved a "bigger piece" of some pie?

by AngelinaGoalee on 3/27/2018, 10:50 pm

It doesn’t give them per se but I does “position” the big clubs to get more of that pie.

They were given exclusive rights to a league that most independents had little or no access to...and in that effect, some indies merged to keep teams intact and some parents jumped ship to be apart of what “seemed” bigger. With all that movement to the big clubs one would logically think that meant more $$$(pie) for those big clubs. That’s why it’s simple, maybe of the mark a bit, but still simple to “view” all of it as a money thing....not solely, but definitely a factor in those changes.

by Zizou on 3/28/2018, 6:19 am

In the old system, NTX’s talent was spread all over the city. NTX was struggling on the national level. The exception was when sting was at its dominance and was able to pull a lot of those top players into the club. LHGCL games were war zones and fights with players and coaches using awful game tactics to avoid relegation. The games were not allowing skilled players to flourish. New system is at least bringing our top players together to train and compete against the region and have higher levels of success at these national tournaments and showcases.

by KeeperCommander on 3/28/2018, 6:25 am

Talent is still spread all over NTX
Get back to me when a NTX player actually makes the USWNT. Until then the numbers are still quite similar to several years ago at the YNT level.
I have watched several DA teams play one another. Most of these games looked remarkably like any other high level game I have seen in other “levels”.
LHGCL games will always be warzones.

by AngelinaGoalee on 3/28/2018, 8:25 am

Zizou wrote:In the old system, NTX’s talent was spread all over the city. NTX was struggling on the national level. The exception was when sting was at its dominance and was able to pull a lot of those top players into the club. LHGCL games were war zones and fights with players and coaches using awful game tactics to avoid relegation. The games were not allowing skilled players to flourish. New system is at least bringing our top players together to train and compete against the region and have higher levels of success at these national tournaments and showcases.

What exactly is “struggling in the national level?” This has always eluded me...seriously.
Does this mean we had little to no representation or when our representative got an opportunity, performed poorly?

Not certain but it looks like Solar has found a small loophole to getting girls noticed and participating in the national level. Is it the market training deal? They have like 20+ participants, then FCD, then Texans and probably 2 collectively from Feeters and Sting.

I can only speak from an ‘04 perspective.... but I think the talent is still spread out and about the city, I think age pure played a major role in certain shifts, along with JDL and its “exclusiveness.” But for the most part I see most of FCD’s talent coming from LW’s bunches, Solar has a few variants but most of their core is home grown, Texans is a....Hell I don’t even know how to explain it. I’m just wondering if it’s the natural weed out process (meaning as girls get older some don’t place soccer as high of a priority) or was or are the changes necessary and effective?

Remind me again of what the overall goal is.....?

by Foxysoccermom on 3/28/2018, 8:37 am

I don't think anybody knows what the goal is when it comes to actual soccer. It's a rudderless ship. Ziz and ego are full of themselves or naive thinking they do. The one goal that's always been there and always will be for the clubs is money.

by Zizou on 3/28/2018, 8:48 am

AngelinaGoalee wrote:
Zizou wrote:In the old system, NTX’s talent was spread all over the city. NTX was struggling on the national level. The exception was when sting was at its dominance and was able to pull a lot of those top players into the club. LHGCL games were war zones and fights with players and coaches using awful game tactics to avoid relegation. The games were not allowing skilled players to flourish. New system is at least bringing our top players together to train and compete against the region and have higher levels of success at these national tournaments and showcases.

What exactly is “struggling in the national level?” This has always eluded me...seriously.
Does this mean we had little to no representation or when our representative got an opportunity, performed poorly?

Not certain but it looks like Solar has found a small loophole to getting girls noticed and participating in the national level. Is it the market training deal? They have like 20+ participants, then FCD, then Texans and probably 2 collectively from Feeters and Sting.

I can only speak from an ‘04 perspective.... but I think the talent is still spread out and about the city, I think age pure played a major role in certain shifts, along with JDL and its “exclusiveness.” But for the most part I see most of FCD’s talent coming from LW’s bunches, Solar has a few variants but most of their core is home grown, Texans is a....Hell I don’t even know how to explain it. I’m just wondering if it’s the natural weed out process (meaning as girls get older some don’t place soccer as high of a priority) or was or are the changes necessary and effective?

Remind me again of what the overall goal is.....?[/quote

My opinion of the overall goal was to bring the talent together in their respective cities to play and train under a system approved by the powers that be.

by Medicine Man on 3/28/2018, 9:18 am

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by SickofStupidity on 3/28/2018, 10:42 am

Zizou wrote:
AngelinaGoalee wrote:
Zizou wrote:In the old system, NTX’s talent was spread all over the city. NTX was struggling on the national level. The exception was when sting was at its dominance and was able to pull a lot of those top players into the club. LHGCL games were war zones and fights with players and coaches using awful game tactics to avoid relegation. The games were not allowing skilled players to flourish. New system is at least bringing our top players together to train and compete against the region and have higher levels of success at these national tournaments and showcases.

What exactly is “struggling in the national level?” This has always eluded me...seriously.
Does this mean we had little to no representation or when our representative got an opportunity, performed poorly?

Not certain but it looks like Solar has found a small loophole to getting girls noticed and participating in the national level. Is it the market training deal? They have like 20+ participants, then FCD, then Texans and probably 2 collectively from Feeters and Sting.

I can only speak from an ‘04 perspective.... but I think the talent is still spread out and about the city, I think age pure played a major role in certain shifts, along with JDL and its “exclusiveness.” But for the most part I see most of FCD’s talent coming from LW’s bunches, Solar has a few variants but most of their core is home grown, Texans is a....Hell I don’t even know how to explain it. I’m just wondering if it’s the natural weed out process (meaning as girls get older some don’t place soccer as high of a priority) or was or are the changes necessary and effective?

Remind me again of what the overall goal is.....?[/quote

My opinion of the overall goal was to bring the talent together in their respective cities to play and train under a system approved by the powers that be.

Wouldn't this assume that, to be effective, the "powers that be" would need know what the hell they are doing? I'm not convinced. Neither are plenty of coaches at all levels. I guess only time will tell.

ECNL brought the talent together. So DA adds the "play and train in an approved system"? Is that the end goal? I would think DA would aspire to more than just training in an approved system.

by Zizou on 3/28/2018, 10:48 am

DA is also trying to reduce or remove the pay to play model.

by yank on 3/28/2018, 11:05 am

KeeperCommander wrote:Talent is still spread all over NTX
Get back to me when a NTX player actually makes the USWNT. Until then the numbers are still quite similar to several years ago at the YNT level.
I have watched several DA teams play one another. Most of these games looked remarkably like any other high level game I have seen in other “levels”.
LHGCL games will always be warzones.

Why do people continue to dismiss/overlook the fact that Taylor Smith from Fort Worth played for solar and for UCLA is routinely playing USWNT games??

by Zizou on 3/28/2018, 11:09 am

Foxysoccermom wrote:I don't think anybody knows what the goal is when it comes to actual soccer. It's a rudderless ship. Ziz and ego are full of themselves or naive thinking they do. The one goal that's always been there and always will be for the clubs is money.

How is DA a money maker? Clubs are having to come up with money to support the reduction or removal of the pay to play model.

by Blues Fan on 3/28/2018, 11:54 am

Foxysoccermom wrote:I don't think anybody knows what the goal is when it comes to actual soccer. It's a rudderless ship. Ziz and ego are full of themselves or naive thinking they do. The one goal that's always been there and always will be for the clubs is money.

Isn't that the goal of every business, why exactly do we hold soccer clubs to some higher moral obligation? They are doing exactly what every other business is trying to do. Make money!

by Foxysoccermom on 3/28/2018, 12:12 pm

Blues Fan wrote:
Foxysoccermom wrote:I don't think anybody knows what the goal is when it comes to actual soccer. It's a rudderless ship. Ziz and ego are full of themselves or naive thinking they do. The one goal that's always been there and always will be for the clubs is money.

Isn't that the goal of every business, why exactly do we hold soccer clubs to some higher moral obligation? They are doing exactly what every other business is trying to do. Make money!

Correct and Foxys got no problem with that in most models. Just doesn't work well in kiddie soccer especially when it is morphing into a monopoly. Soccer doesn't even field the best athletes possible because of the barriers to entry. Foxy stayed at a Holiday Inn last night. Very Happy

by Foxysoccermom on 3/28/2018, 12:16 pm

Zizou wrote:DA is also trying to reduce or remove the pay to play model.

I'll bet you a night with my girl Angelina it won't be free in the next 5 years let alone ever. Tatu might give you a scholarship though.

by DeltaTauChi on 3/28/2018, 12:20 pm

Foxysoccermom wrote: Foxy stayed at a Holiday Inn last night.

Wow! Found you a coach who was willing to pay for the whole night instead of by the hour! Dilly, Dilly for you Foxy!

by Foxysoccermom on 3/28/2018, 12:25 pm

DeltaTauChi wrote:
Foxysoccermom wrote: Foxy stayed at a Holiday Inn last night.

Wow! Found you a coach who was willing to pay for the whole night instead of by the hour! Dilly, Dilly for you Foxy!

Those Brits appreciate the way foxy rolls. Stayin at the Omni tonight. Cool

. The skills coaches appreciate the foxy model, bill by the hour for five minutes of work.

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