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Medicine Man- TxSoccer Author
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Anyone can budget for expenses and try and return a few extra % of revenue. Those things do not take into account real life situations. Ones that can cause ripple effects throughout a club. Then financial one being the biggest. Clubs that had boys DA took a financial risk, then they added the girls DA and that essentially doubled down their risk. Now I think their are many or in fact a majority that can handle such a risk. The big question would be can the clubs get the DA down to the level that pay to play is available to all and not the few like the selling slogan once sang. Especially those that have a strong presence in the player side for strong teams but lack in the real depth that brings in the dollars.Big Ern wrote:TatonkaBurger wrote:Big Ern wrote:TatonkaBurger wrote:This should not be a surprise.
Thanks TBurger ...
And why is it do you think this shouldn't be a surprise?
The complaints that continue to mount are 1. the financial burden (that is easy for some clubs but not others) and 2. the paperwork and administrative burden. These are soccer clubs and poorly run small businesses in most cases, not consulting firms.
Agreed for the most part --
But the Hawks (and the others rumored to be joining them) already have had boy's DA for some time now haven't they? Is the administrative burden really that different for girls, and wouldn't they have had practices + staff in place to handle that kind of thing by now?
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Watch "Frankie Goes To Hollywood - Relax (Laser Version)" on YouTube
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Pay to play isn't picky if you have cash money! There's always more spots to fill in the ponzi scheme. The layers keep expanding and the facts get skewed.
Watch "Frankie Goes To Hollywood - Relax (Laser Version)" on YouTube
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Watch "Frankie Goes To Hollywood - Relax (Laser Version)" on YouTube
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Sorry to disappoint, sometimes I actually go outside and enjoy the 40 degree mornings followed by the 80 degree afternoons, as well as eat and sleep and do things other than try to post more than U90C tournaments. I maybe late to the party but does that mean questions and comments are limited to the blowhards who create backwards posts and nonsense music videos. Keep trolling idiot. I've been cordial to you on this forum until this post.Medicine Man wrote:Your a little late to the party macho comancho this is old news.
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The DA travel and conference alignments were poorly done....I'd argue nowhere close to as well organized as early ecnl, and probably worse than even USYS. DA has kids missing classes in the middle of the school year for 5 day meaningless travel tourneys. Games are cancelled or rescheduled far too often. My guess is no one involved with logistics for boys DA has anything to do with girls DA.....if boys DA is ran like this it's on its way out too.
USSF should throw in the towel on girls DA, put resources into open leagues, local and regional, and discourage proliferation of national ones. Also need to do a 180 on supporting and getting alignment with high school soccer. It's doubtful you can build a soccer culture in this country without school sports being a big driver.
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Hawks
Eclipse
PDA
FC Stars
And these clubs are leaving ECNL:
Surf
West Coast/ OC Surf
Dallas Texans
Apparently a list of requests (demands?) were given to both ECNL and US Soccer a few weeks back from a consortium of the top clubs asking for adjustments. No clue what the response was.
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The same Dallas Texans that just joined boys ECNL, is leaving on the girls side?timmyh wrote:Rumor is that these clubs are leaving DA:
Hawks
Eclipse
PDA
FC Stars
And these clubs are leaving ECNL:
Surf
West Coast/ OC Surf
Dallas Texans
Apparently a list of requests (demands?) were given to both ECNL and US Soccer a few weeks back from a consortium of the top clubs asking for adjustments. No clue what the response was.
Seems kinda backwatds to me.
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PLAY2FEET!! wrote:The same Dallas Texans that just joined boys ECNL, is leaving on the girls side?timmyh wrote:Rumor is that these clubs are leaving DA:
Hawks
Eclipse
PDA
FC Stars
And these clubs are leaving ECNL:
Surf
West Coast/ OC Surf
Dallas Texans
Apparently a list of requests (demands?) were given to both ECNL and US Soccer a few weeks back from a consortium of the top clubs asking for adjustments. No clue what the response was.
Seems kinda backwatds to me.
Me too. Just passing on what I hear.
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President Camacho wrote:Not making a case for either but didn't BigE at some point say he expected some contraction on the DA front? Like there really will wind up being 2 DA clubs in NTX instead of 3 at some point. I'm not well versed in all of the clubs nationally as mine are u-littles. So it might be a big blow up North if it was the only one. Much like the speculation of what the Texans will do from some recent posts.
Yessir Mr President --
And to take it a step further ...
Maybe USSDA eventually goes to strictly MLS and NWSL clubs for the boys and girls respectively ... more of an emulation of what the international soccer superpowers are doing? And with so few clubs, they may be able to swing some of the costs?
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To a club like FCD it is still a strong financial hit. Do the pros outweigh the cons in that loss?Big Ern wrote:President Camacho wrote:Not making a case for either but didn't BigE at some point say he expected some contraction on the DA front? Like there really will wind up being 2 DA clubs in NTX instead of 3 at some point. I'm not well versed in all of the clubs nationally as mine are u-littles. So it might be a big blow up North if it was the only one. Much like the speculation of what the Texans will do from some recent posts.
Yessir Mr President --
And to take it a step further ...
Maybe USSDA eventually goes to strictly MLS and NWSL clubs for the boys and girls respectively ... more of an emulation of what the international soccer superpowers are doing? And with so few clubs, they may be able to swing some of the costs?
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How? These teams do not generate the dollars that another team does. IE they cost more than they bring in. So this program hemorrhage’s cash. Not millions no. Do this program for a few years and you will see a huge hit. Like I said it has value but at what cost?TxFutbal wrote:How is it a strong financial hit? A coach salary, a league fee, a couple tournaments per team, field usage fees... Not that big of a financial hit for what 5 teams (u14-U18)? $200k max for the program. Kids I assume will still pay for their own travel, uniforms, etc.
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timmyh wrote:Rumor is that these clubs are leaving DA:
Hawks
Eclipse
PDA
FC Stars
And these clubs are leaving ECNL:
Surf
West Coast/ OC Surf
Dallas Texans
Apparently a list of requests (demands?) were given to both ECNL and US Soccer a few weeks back from a consortium of the top clubs asking for adjustments. No clue what the response was.
I believe Slammers was in the conversation I had about this a couple months back (as well as the ones you mentioned). A lot can happen in two months, though.
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Big Ern wrote:President Camacho wrote:Not making a case for either but didn't BigE at some point say he expected some contraction on the DA front? Like there really will wind up being 2 DA clubs in NTX instead of 3 at some point. I'm not well versed in all of the clubs nationally as mine are u-littles. So it might be a big blow up North if it was the only one. Much like the speculation of what the Texans will do from some recent posts.
Yessir Mr President --
And to take it a step further ...
Maybe USSDA eventually goes to strictly MLS and NWSL clubs for the boys and girls respectively ... more of an emulation of what the international soccer superpowers are doing? And with so few clubs, they may be able to swing some of the costs?
I think you are right. They will need the financial backbone of the pro clubs.
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