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Post by 5050Ball 09/05/18, 09:41 am

Multivitamin wrote:a 4th Big soccer club based right out of Chicago is done with GDA.
ECLIPSE - ALL IN ECNL!

https://www.socceramerica.com/publi...eclipse-select-sc-is-latest-club-to-leav.html

And they get 2 teams per age group like the Hawks. See a pattern here?

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Post by Multivitamin 09/05/18, 11:24 am

Do you see where ECNL is moving? They are giving you all the hints that they are moving to international level tournaments and elite play. Something GDA is only providing if you are a national team player!

If Hassan played his cards right here could of made his DIG an ECNL international event could you imagine the $$$$ HASSAN?!?!?!?!?!?!

http://www.eliteclubsnationalleague.com/
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Post by Guest 09/05/18, 11:47 am

ECNL is a business. They recognize this, and run it as such. That is the primary reason why ECNL will survive.

ECNL realizes that they have 2 primary customers, the clubs and college coaches. They will make decisions based on what will make these 2 customers happy. Branching out to provide an avenue to showcase international players to US college coaches, and get US players exposure to international clubs, is a unique offering they could provide over USSF.

Wouldn't be surprised to see ECNL branch out to Canada, Mexico, and maybe even the UK in the future. Create divisions in each of those countries and then have them come to the US for a showcase and/or playoffs.


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Post by Multivitamin 09/05/18, 12:00 pm

DeltaTauChi wrote:ECNL is a business.  They recognize this, and run it as such.  That is the primary reason why ECNL will survive.

ECNL realizes that they have 2 primary customers, the clubs and college coaches.  They will make decisions based on what will make these 2 customers happy.  Branching out to provide an avenue to showcase international players to US college coaches, and get US players exposure to international clubs, is a unique offering they could provide over USSF.

Wouldn't be surprised to see ECNL branch out to Canada, Mexico, and maybe even the UK in the future.  Create divisions in each of those countries and then have them come to the US for a showcase and/or playoffs.





And If I was Hassan I would reverse my decision and say ECNL can come to MY DIG and SPONSOR and this will blow up like wildfire internationally!
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Post by TatonkaBurger 09/05/18, 01:21 pm

Multivitamin wrote:
DeltaTauChi wrote:ECNL is a business.  They recognize this, and run it as such.  That is the primary reason why ECNL will survive.

ECNL realizes that they have 2 primary customers, the clubs and college coaches.  They will make decisions based on what will make these 2 customers happy.  Branching out to provide an avenue to showcase international players to US college coaches, and get US players exposure to international clubs, is a unique offering they could provide over USSF.

Wouldn't be surprised to see ECNL branch out to Canada, Mexico, and maybe even the UK in the future.  Create divisions in each of those countries and then have them come to the US for a showcase and/or playoffs.




And If I was Hassan I would reverse my decision and say ECNL can come to MY DIG and SPONSOR and this will blow up like wildfire internationally!

DIGC is run so poorly and without contingency plans that it cannot be too attractive for ECNL or others.
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Post by Multivitamin 18/05/18, 03:49 pm

Copy pasted from another forum.


ANOTHER CLUB IS ALL IN!!!!
WOW GDA top teams dropping out.

http://www.eliteclubsnationalleague.com/2018/05/18/concorde-fire-is-all-in-for-the-2018-19-season/
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Post by ForReal 18/05/18, 10:19 pm

Multivitamin wrote:Copy pasted from another forum.


ANOTHER CLUB IS ALL IN!!!!
WOW GDA top teams dropping out.

http://www.eliteclubsnationalleague.com/2018/05/18/concorde-fire-is-all-in-for-the-2018-19-season/

Are you an ECNL employee? Truly embarrassing what a schill you seem to be.

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Post by Guest 19/05/18, 12:46 pm

Or their club doesn’t have a DA program or multivitamins daughter is just not simply good enough Laughing

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Post by Medicine Man 20/05/18, 06:27 am

Theres no trouble in paradise the money still flowing and the dreams continue.

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Post by Guest 20/05/18, 09:08 am

USSF is the governing body of US Soccer. ECNL is a privately owned business. Only a matter of time before its wings are clipped. See Trunp and North Korea.

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Post by OldSoccerSouthD 22/05/18, 10:30 am

soapboxmom2.0 wrote:USSF is the governing body of US Soccer.  ECNL is a privately owned business. Only a matter of time before its wings are clipped.  

This is correct.....All of you ECNL fans can cry and cheer all you want.....I'm willing to bet anything that in 10 years we will look back and go "Remember ECNL?".

ECNL might be getting some wins now vs the new GDA platform. But they will NEVER be able to compete in the long run against US Soccer...... TOO MUCH money flowing to GDA. IN the long run the GDA will adapt and make changes that that will incorporate some of the good things that ECNL do.

There is no way ECNL stays competitive in the long run.....maybe for a few more years until there is more clarity on the GDA program.....

Same for Boys ECNL now.....What a waste of time.....NO TALENTED boy between u14 and u17 would EVER select ECNL if they have a shot at a DA Roster....

The only way ECNL will survive in the long run is as a 2nd or 3rd tier National platform....

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Post by AngelinaGoalee 22/05/18, 10:36 am

OldSoccerooSouthD wrote:
soapboxmom2.0 wrote:USSF is the governing body of US Soccer.  ECNL is a privately owned business. Only a matter of time before its wings are clipped.  

This is correct.....All of you ECNL fans can cry and cheer all you want.....I'm willing to bet anything that in 10 years we will look back and go "Remember ECNL?".

ECNL might be getting some wins now vs the new GDA platform. But they will NEVER be able to compete in the long run against US Soccer......    TOO MUCH money flowing to GDA. IN the long run the GDA will adapt and make changes that that will incorporate some of the good things that ECNL do.

There is no way ECNL stays competitive in the long run.....maybe for a few more years until there is more clarity on the GDA program.....

Same for Boys ECNL now.....What a waste of time.....NO TALENTED boy between u14 and u17 would EVER select ECNL if they have a shot at a DA Roster....

The only way ECNL will survive in the long run is as a 2nd or 3rd tier National platform....

This feels like the LBJ vs MJ debate...
Why slight either with comparisons? Let what happens, happen.
I know a parent right now that is praying on the DA’s downfall and his daughter Isn’t in either league...what’s the deal?!?

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Post by Pele98 22/05/18, 11:00 am

OldSoccerooSouthD wrote:
soapboxmom2.0 wrote:USSF is the governing body of US Soccer.  ECNL is a privately owned business. Only a matter of time before its wings are clipped.  

This is correct.....All of you ECNL fans can cry and cheer all you want.....I'm willing to bet anything that in 10 years we will look back and go "Remember ECNL?".

ECNL might be getting some wins now vs the new GDA platform. But they will NEVER be able to compete in the long run against US Soccer......    TOO MUCH money flowing to GDA. IN the long run the GDA will adapt and make changes that that will incorporate some of the good things that ECNL do.

There is no way ECNL stays competitive in the long run.....maybe for a few more years until there is more clarity on the GDA program.....

Same for Boys ECNL now.....What a waste of time.....NO TALENTED boy between u14 and u17 would EVER select ECNL if they have a shot at a DA Roster....

The only way ECNL will survive in the long run is as a 2nd or 3rd tier National platform....

So you are saying ECNL will DIE then you are concluding that ECNL will SURVIVE albeit as the 2nd or 3rd tier league!

Sometime back, I think about 10+ years ago, when ECNL was coming on board the same argument was made about LHGCL becoming obsolete with the onset of ECNL.  Fast forward to present time, LHGCL is still there as well as PPL, APL and countless local rec leagues.

GDA is just one additional player in this crazy venture of trying to count sands in the desert.  10 years from now all of them GDA, ECNL, LHGCL, PPL, APL, etc will still be here and same argument will go around again.
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Post by Medicine Man 22/05/18, 11:04 am

The egos will drive the marketplace the clubs know the game.

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Post by OldSoccerSouthD 22/05/18, 11:11 am

Pele98 wrote:
OldSoccerooSouthD wrote:
soapboxmom2.0 wrote:USSF is the governing body of US Soccer.  ECNL is a privately owned business. Only a matter of time before its wings are clipped.  

This is correct.....All of you ECNL fans can cry and cheer all you want.....I'm willing to bet anything that in 10 years we will look back and go "Remember ECNL?".

ECNL might be getting some wins now vs the new GDA platform. But they will NEVER be able to compete in the long run against US Soccer......    TOO MUCH money flowing to GDA. IN the long run the GDA will adapt and make changes that that will incorporate some of the good things that ECNL do.

There is no way ECNL stays competitive in the long run.....maybe for a few more years until there is more clarity on the GDA program.....

Same for Boys ECNL now.....What a waste of time.....NO TALENTED boy between u14 and u17 would EVER select ECNL if they have a shot at a DA Roster....

The only way ECNL will survive in the long run is as a 2nd or 3rd tier National platform....

So you are saying ECNL will DIE then you are concluding that ECNL will SURVIVE albeit as the 2nd or 3rd tier league!

Sometime back, I think about 10+ years ago, when ECNL was coming on board the same argument was made about LHGCL becoming obsolete with the onset of ECNL.  Fast forward to present time, LHGCL is still there as well as PPL, APL and countless local rec leagues.

GDA is just one additional player in this crazy venture of trying to count sands in the desert.  10 years from now all of them GDA, ECNL, LHGCL, PPL, APL, etc will still be here and same argument will go around again.

I never said ECNL will die...."Remember ECNL" doesn't mean it will die....but it will change....just like LH was the king here....until ECNL came around...

GDA is NOT just any "additional player".... it will be THE PLAYER eventually.....all these other leagues are businesses. GDA is US Soccer and US Soccer calls the shots whether we like it or not.... How effective was the complaining from a lot of people and clubs about Age Pure? Did it stop US Soccer? Nope.... They did it, and we had to suck it in and accept the changes.....

It will be the same with GDA..... They had a bad start, no question....but to argue that in the long run there will still be competition between ECNL and GDA is just absurd....

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Post by OldSoccerSouthD 22/05/18, 11:14 am

Medicine Man wrote:The egos will drive the marketplace the clubs know the game.

Egos have already been checked at the door at most serious Boys DA programs.... Same will happen with the girls....


Not here Medicine Man......it will for now....until the resistance becomes futile....It might take a few years but in the end, US Soccer will still rule the landscape.

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Post by Big Ern 22/05/18, 11:18 am

Pele98 wrote:
OldSoccerooSouthD wrote:
soapboxmom2.0 wrote:USSF is the governing body of US Soccer.  ECNL is a privately owned business. Only a matter of time before its wings are clipped.  

This is correct.....All of you ECNL fans can cry and cheer all you want.....I'm willing to bet anything that in 10 years we will look back and go "Remember ECNL?".

ECNL might be getting some wins now vs the new GDA platform. But they will NEVER be able to compete in the long run against US Soccer......    TOO MUCH money flowing to GDA. IN the long run the GDA will adapt and make changes that that will incorporate some of the good things that ECNL do.

There is no way ECNL stays competitive in the long run.....maybe for a few more years until there is more clarity on the GDA program.....

Same for Boys ECNL now.....What a waste of time.....NO TALENTED boy between u14 and u17 would EVER select ECNL if they have a shot at a DA Roster....

The only way ECNL will survive in the long run is as a 2nd or 3rd tier National platform....

So you are saying ECNL will DIE then you are concluding that ECNL will SURVIVE albeit as the 2nd or 3rd tier league!

Sometime back, I think about 10+ years ago, when ECNL was coming on board the same argument was made about LHGCL becoming obsolete with the onset of ECNL.  Fast forward to present time, LHGCL is still there as well as PPL, APL and countless local rec leagues.

GDA is just one additional player in this crazy venture of trying to count sands in the desert.  10 years from now all of them GDA, ECNL, LHGCL, PPL, APL, etc will still be here and same argument will go around again.

ENCL to GDA = apples to apples

ENCL/GDA to LHGCL/PPL etc = apples to oranges ... While arguments regarding relevance here are legitimate, those regarding existence realistically are not.

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Post by OldSoccerSouthD 22/05/18, 11:35 am

Big Ern wrote:
Pele98 wrote:
OldSoccerooSouthD wrote:
soapboxmom2.0 wrote:USSF is the governing body of US Soccer.  ECNL is a privately owned business. Only a matter of time before its wings are clipped.  

This is correct.....All of you ECNL fans can cry and cheer all you want.....I'm willing to bet anything that in 10 years we will look back and go "Remember ECNL?".

ECNL might be getting some wins now vs the new GDA platform. But they will NEVER be able to compete in the long run against US Soccer......    TOO MUCH money flowing to GDA. IN the long run the GDA will adapt and make changes that that will incorporate some of the good things that ECNL do.

There is no way ECNL stays competitive in the long run.....maybe for a few more years until there is more clarity on the GDA program.....

Same for Boys ECNL now.....What a waste of time.....NO TALENTED boy between u14 and u17 would EVER select ECNL if they have a shot at a DA Roster....

The only way ECNL will survive in the long run is as a 2nd or 3rd tier National platform....

So you are saying ECNL will DIE then you are concluding that ECNL will SURVIVE albeit as the 2nd or 3rd tier league!

Sometime back, I think about 10+ years ago, when ECNL was coming on board the same argument was made about LHGCL becoming obsolete with the onset of ECNL.  Fast forward to present time, LHGCL is still there as well as PPL, APL and countless local rec leagues.

GDA is just one additional player in this crazy venture of trying to count sands in the desert.  10 years from now all of them GDA, ECNL, LHGCL, PPL, APL, etc will still be here and same argument will go around again.

ENCL to GDA = apples to apples

ENCL/GDA to LHGCL/PPL etc = apples to oranges ... While arguments regarding relevance here are legitimate, those regarding existence realistically are not.

I would go as far as saying ECNL to GDA is only apples to apples now. Again, one is a business...the other one is the entity that runs Soccer in this country....HUGE difference.

IN a few Years it will be ECNL to GDA = Apples to Oranges....

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Post by stellablue 22/05/18, 11:40 am

OldSoccerooSouthD wrote:
Big Ern wrote:
Pele98 wrote:
OldSoccerooSouthD wrote:
soapboxmom2.0 wrote:USSF is the governing body of US Soccer.  ECNL is a privately owned business. Only a matter of time before its wings are clipped.  

This is correct.....All of you ECNL fans can cry and cheer all you want.....I'm willing to bet anything that in 10 years we will look back and go "Remember ECNL?".

ECNL might be getting some wins now vs the new GDA platform. But they will NEVER be able to compete in the long run against US Soccer......    TOO MUCH money flowing to GDA. IN the long run the GDA will adapt and make changes that that will incorporate some of the good things that ECNL do.

There is no way ECNL stays competitive in the long run.....maybe for a few more years until there is more clarity on the GDA program.....

Same for Boys ECNL now.....What a waste of time.....NO TALENTED boy between u14 and u17 would EVER select ECNL if they have a shot at a DA Roster....

The only way ECNL will survive in the long run is as a 2nd or 3rd tier National platform....

So you are saying ECNL will DIE then you are concluding that ECNL will SURVIVE albeit as the 2nd or 3rd tier league!

Sometime back, I think about 10+ years ago, when ECNL was coming on board the same argument was made about LHGCL becoming obsolete with the onset of ECNL.  Fast forward to present time, LHGCL is still there as well as PPL, APL and countless local rec leagues.

GDA is just one additional player in this crazy venture of trying to count sands in the desert.  10 years from now all of them GDA, ECNL, LHGCL, PPL, APL, etc will still be here and same argument will go around again.

ENCL to GDA = apples to apples

ENCL/GDA to LHGCL/PPL etc = apples to oranges ... While arguments regarding relevance here are legitimate, those regarding existence realistically are not.

I would go as far as saying ECNL to GDA is only apples to apples now. Again, one is a business...the other one is the entity that runs Soccer in this country....HUGE difference.

IN a few Years it will be ECNL to GDA = Apples to Oranges....

I was thinking it was more like Bananas to Plantains. Maybe it is just me though?
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Post by TatonkaBurger 22/05/18, 01:00 pm

OldSoccerooSouthD wrote:
Big Ern wrote:
Pele98 wrote:
OldSoccerooSouthD wrote:
soapboxmom2.0 wrote:USSF is the governing body of US Soccer.  ECNL is a privately owned business. Only a matter of time before its wings are clipped.  

This is correct.....All of you ECNL fans can cry and cheer all you want.....I'm willing to bet anything that in 10 years we will look back and go "Remember ECNL?".

ECNL might be getting some wins now vs the new GDA platform. But they will NEVER be able to compete in the long run against US Soccer......    TOO MUCH money flowing to GDA. IN the long run the GDA will adapt and make changes that that will incorporate some of the good things that ECNL do.

There is no way ECNL stays competitive in the long run.....maybe for a few more years until there is more clarity on the GDA program.....

Same for Boys ECNL now.....What a waste of time.....NO TALENTED boy between u14 and u17 would EVER select ECNL if they have a shot at a DA Roster....

The only way ECNL will survive in the long run is as a 2nd or 3rd tier National platform....

So you are saying ECNL will DIE then you are concluding that ECNL will SURVIVE albeit as the 2nd or 3rd tier league!

Sometime back, I think about 10+ years ago, when ECNL was coming on board the same argument was made about LHGCL becoming obsolete with the onset of ECNL.  Fast forward to present time, LHGCL is still there as well as PPL, APL and countless local rec leagues.

GDA is just one additional player in this crazy venture of trying to count sands in the desert.  10 years from now all of them GDA, ECNL, LHGCL, PPL, APL, etc will still be here and same argument will go around again.

ENCL to GDA = apples to apples

ENCL/GDA to LHGCL/PPL etc = apples to oranges ... While arguments regarding relevance here are legitimate, those regarding existence realistically are not.

I would go as far as saying ECNL to GDA is only apples to apples now. Again, one is a business...the other one is the entity that runs Soccer in this country....HUGE difference.

IN a few Years it will be ECNL to GDA = Apples to Oranges....

You sure try to make yourself sound smart.  

I am sorry to tell you but as long as these clubs around the country stick with ECNL then the "business" has viability.  Both will continue and both will compete against each other.  They have different stated goals but I believe most of the participants in either have one that is the same, which is college play.  As long as both provide that opportunity, both will be around.
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Post by Guest 22/05/18, 01:10 pm

OldSoccerooSouthD wrote:
I would go as far as saying ECNL to GDA is only apples to apples now. Again, one is a business...the other one is the entity that runs Soccer in this country....HUGE difference.

IN a few Years it will be ECNL to GDA = Apples to Oranges....

Last time I checked, the NCAA ran College Soccer, not USSF. College Soccer $$ drive this truck a lot more than USSF $$. Don't see how a business who's primary focus is to serve that market, will lose to a bureaucracy who's primary focus is not serving that market.

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Post by OldSoccerSouthD 22/05/18, 01:27 pm

TatonkaBurger wrote:
OldSoccerooSouthD wrote:
Big Ern wrote:
Pele98 wrote:
OldSoccerooSouthD wrote:
soapboxmom2.0 wrote:USSF is the governing body of US Soccer.  ECNL is a privately owned business. Only a matter of time before its wings are clipped.  

This is correct.....All of you ECNL fans can cry and cheer all you want.....I'm willing to bet anything that in 10 years we will look back and go "Remember ECNL?".

ECNL might be getting some wins now vs the new GDA platform. But they will NEVER be able to compete in the long run against US Soccer......    TOO MUCH money flowing to GDA. IN the long run the GDA will adapt and make changes that that will incorporate some of the good things that ECNL do.

There is no way ECNL stays competitive in the long run.....maybe for a few more years until there is more clarity on the GDA program.....

Same for Boys ECNL now.....What a waste of time.....NO TALENTED boy between u14 and u17 would EVER select ECNL if they have a shot at a DA Roster....

The only way ECNL will survive in the long run is as a 2nd or 3rd tier National platform....

So you are saying ECNL will DIE then you are concluding that ECNL will SURVIVE albeit as the 2nd or 3rd tier league!

Sometime back, I think about 10+ years ago, when ECNL was coming on board the same argument was made about LHGCL becoming obsolete with the onset of ECNL.  Fast forward to present time, LHGCL is still there as well as PPL, APL and countless local rec leagues.

GDA is just one additional player in this crazy venture of trying to count sands in the desert.  10 years from now all of them GDA, ECNL, LHGCL, PPL, APL, etc will still be here and same argument will go around again.

ENCL to GDA = apples to apples

ENCL/GDA to LHGCL/PPL etc = apples to oranges ... While arguments regarding relevance here are legitimate, those regarding existence realistically are not.

I would go as far as saying ECNL to GDA is only apples to apples now. Again, one is a business...the other one is the entity that runs Soccer in this country....HUGE difference.

IN a few Years it will be ECNL to GDA = Apples to Oranges....

You sure try to make yourself sound smart.  

I am sorry to tell you but as long as these clubs around the country stick with ECNL then the "business" has viability.  Both will continue and both will compete against each other.  They have different stated goals but I believe most of the participants in either have one that is the same, which is college play.  As long as both provide that opportunity, both will be around.

Not sure how beneficial the "smart" comment is to this discussion.......just giving you my opinion.

I never said the "business" doesn't have viability....I never said it will die.... All I'm suggesting is that in time, the vast majority of the top talent will be on GDA. This is my opinion. I might be wrong, but I'm willing to bet anything that this will be the case within 10 years...

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Post by OldSoccerSouthD 22/05/18, 01:37 pm

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I would go as far as saying ECNL to GDA is only apples to apples now. Again, one is a business...the other one is the entity that runs Soccer in this country....HUGE difference.

IN a few Years it will be ECNL to GDA = Apples to Oranges....

Last time I checked, the NCAA ran College Soccer, not USSF.  College Soccer $$ drive this truck a lot more than USSF $$.  Don't see how a business who's primary focus is to serve that market, will lose to a bureaucracy who's primary focus is not serving that market.


Very simple, the Bureaucracy still runs most of the show. There is no question in my mind that College Soccer will change soon. I realize this is from the Boy's perspective, but I completely agree with the Maryland Boys HC where he said: "College Soccer is the laughingstock of the soccer world":

http://www.espn.com/sports/soccer/story/_/id/22869596/2018-world-cup-college-soccer-too-much-risk-rising-us-talent


The men's side is putting too much pressure on the NCAA. The new US Soccer administrators are already discussing changes with the NCAA to improve the college game....

The 1st step was already taken....see here:

https://www.ussoccer.com/stories/2018/02/07/21/38/20180207-news-us-soccer-launches-2018-spring-mens-college-program

This is a test case for potential new rule changes to College Soccer.....

Do you think the NCAA is just coming up with this on their own? NOPE..... This is all guided by US Soccer.....They are taking the lead and the NCAA will follow in a few years....They are starting with the men's game and the women's game will follow suit.

We can all complain and yell and argue....but at the end of the day, US Soccer will get its way with the help of the NCAA to improve the game....

So yes... I Still believe in 10 years the vast majority of Youth Talent will be on GDA..... We can always come back here in 2028 to continue....

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Post by Guest 22/05/18, 02:49 pm

This dude had a V8 And a bowl of Wheaties this morning. Preach brotha. US soccer won’t wait for 10 years tho.

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Post by Foxysoccermom 22/05/18, 03:03 pm

soapboxmom2.0 wrote:This dude had a V8 And a bowl of Wheaties  this morning. Preach brotha.   US soccer won’t wait for 10 years tho.


Simmer down meth man, it will be ok. By the time 2028 comes around you'll be the only person on this board posting thru 100 different alias'.
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Post by OldSoccerSouthD 22/05/18, 03:22 pm

Foxysoccermom wrote:
soapboxmom2.0 wrote:This dude had a V8 And a bowl of Wheaties  this morning. Preach brotha.   US soccer won’t wait for 10 years tho.


Simmer down meth man, it will be ok. By the time 2028 comes around you'll be the only person on this board posting thru 100 different alias'.

Funny you said that as there are a few in this discussion that have been on this board for 9+ years.....

But I get it.....after one week on this board it is clear that this board is definitely not used to seeing coherent arguments and opinions...... Very Happy

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