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Re: Trouble in Paradise?

Post by TatonkaBurger on 17/04/18, 04:05 pm

Big Ern wrote:
President Camacho wrote:Not making a case for either but didn't BigE at some point say he expected some contraction on the DA front? Like there really will wind up being 2 DA clubs in NTX instead of 3 at some point. I'm not well versed in all of the clubs nationally as mine are u-littles. So it might be a big blow up North if it was the only one. Much like the speculation of what the Texans will do from some recent posts.

Yessir Mr President --

And to take it a step further ...

Maybe USSDA eventually goes to strictly MLS and NWSL clubs for the boys and girls respectively ... more of an emulation of what the international soccer superpowers are doing?  And with so few clubs, they may be able to swing some of the costs?

I think you are right. They will need the financial backbone of the pro clubs.

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Post by Medicine Man on 17/04/18, 04:11 pm

The honeymoon is over it's time to pay.

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Re: Trouble in Paradise?

Post by AngelinaGoalee on 17/04/18, 04:17 pm

So a little MLS/NWSL....
in the end, they’ll all probably be in college.
Same outcome with different parental bragging rights.

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Post by 5050Ball on 17/04/18, 04:29 pm

If DA skinnies down, it's a good thing. They opened with a huge over-reach.

Wonder if ECNL knew the likes of Hawks, FC Stars and PDA were backing out of DA - do they still add the likes of Pacific NW and Arizona Arsenal?

Smells like money grab on both sides.
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Post by Medicine Man on 17/04/18, 04:56 pm

Sounds like a bunch of arse kissing to me.

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Re: Trouble in Paradise?

Post by Lefty on 17/04/18, 04:57 pm

Doesn't boys DA create assets (contracts) that can be sold into the professional marketplace for cost recovery & revenue? However small that % of contracts may be.

Is there any such revenue option available to the clubs for girls DA?

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Post by Multivitamin on 17/04/18, 05:07 pm

NoSpinZone wrote:For those that missed it.




From another thread and I liked it a lot and truly makes sense!

The mistake US Soccer is making regarding the girls DA stems from the fact that the girls DA was never needed because of the player path. Digging deeper, appreciate that the girls DA is a response to litigation threats from the women regarding inequality between the men's and woman's national team (i.e. fields and pay). Their position was that the Federation systemically treats women unequally and used the boys DA as evidence of that. Their argument was, we are paid less, we have to play in inferior stadiums and on artifical turf and the Federation doesn't even have a girls DA after 8 years. The response by the federation was to increase pay for the women, avoid artificial turf fields, funnel more subsidies into the WPSL, and start the girls DA (knowing that the clubs via the parents would be paying the lion share of the cost).

At the time, everybody was happy with the ECNL, but truth be told, the women shot themselves in the foot with the girls DA by trying to play under the same rules as the boys. Whether this works out in the end will ultimately depend on the U.S. public finding an appetite for women's team sports and soccer ... so maybe sometime in the year 2093.
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Post by KeeperCommander on 17/04/18, 05:27 pm

Lefty wrote:Doesn't boys DA create assets (contracts) that can be sold into the professional marketplace for cost recovery & revenue?  However small that % of contracts may be.

Is there any such revenue option available to the clubs for girls DA?
Nobody owns any rights in boys DA do they?

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Post by AngelinaGoalee on 17/04/18, 06:42 pm

Multivitamin wrote:
NoSpinZone wrote:For those that missed it.




From another thread and I liked it a lot and truly makes sense!

The mistake US Soccer is making regarding the girls DA stems from the fact that the girls DA was never needed because of the player path. Digging deeper, appreciate that the girls DA is a response to litigation threats from the women regarding inequality between the men's and woman's national team (i.e. fields and pay). Their position was that the Federation systemically treats women unequally and used the boys DA as evidence of that. Their argument was, we are paid less, we have to play in inferior stadiums and on artifical turf and the Federation doesn't even have a girls DA after 8 years. The response by the federation was to increase pay for the women, avoid artificial turf fields, funnel more subsidies into the WPSL, and start the girls DA (knowing that the clubs via the parents would be paying the lion share of the cost).

At the time, everybody was happy with the ECNL, but truth be told, the women shot themselves in the foot with the girls DA by trying to play under the same rules as the boys. Whether this works out in the end will ultimately depend on the U.S. public finding an appetite for women's team sports and soccer ... so maybe sometime in the year 2093.

Damn this reads logical...I literally couldn’t have posted it better myself!!

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Post by Foxysoccermom on 17/04/18, 06:48 pm

Multivitamin wrote:
NoSpinZone wrote:For those that missed it.




From another thread and I liked it a lot and truly makes sense!

The mistake US Soccer is making regarding the girls DA stems from the fact that the girls DA was never needed because of the player path. Digging deeper, appreciate that the girls DA is a response to litigation threats from the women regarding inequality between the men's and woman's national team (i.e. fields and pay). Their position was that the Federation systemically treats women unequally and used the boys DA as evidence of that. Their argument was, we are paid less, we have to play in inferior stadiums and on artifical turf and the Federation doesn't even have a girls DA after 8 years. The response by the federation was to increase pay for the women, avoid artificial turf fields, funnel more subsidies into the WPSL, and start the girls DA (knowing that the clubs via the parents would be paying the lion share of the cost).

At the time, everybody was happy with the ECNL, but truth be told, the women shot themselves in the foot with the girls DA by trying to play under the same rules as the boys. Whether this works out in the end will ultimately depend on the U.S. public finding an appetite for women's team sports and soccer ... so maybe sometime in the year 2093.



Boy I'd hate to be a newly hired psychologist working at a soccer club right now.
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Re: Trouble in Paradise?

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Re: Trouble in Paradise?

Post by KeeperCommander on 17/04/18, 08:25 pm

naM enicideM wrote:.em ot gnissik esra fo hcnub a ekil sdnuoS
If only we could go backward in time and not give you an account.

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Post by Medicine Man on 17/04/18, 08:27 pm

The bar is shut down it's time to pay the tab who's in and who's out.

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Re: Trouble in Paradise?

Post by PowerKick on 18/04/18, 09:02 am

Come on Texans, it is your decision time.

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Post by NoSpinZone on 18/04/18, 09:10 am

PowerKick wrote:Come on Texans, it is your decision time.

Why does it matter? Arent you pulling something together w Missing Sense?

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Re: Trouble in Paradise?

Post by 918soccer on 18/04/18, 09:13 am

Doesn't sound like it's done yet. Reports of Eclipse, TopHat, Slammers, Orlando Pride, Weston FC, Concord Fire, and Long Island SC possibly following suit.

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Post by DeltaTauChi on 18/04/18, 09:19 am

918soccer wrote:Doesn't sound like it's done yet. Reports of Eclipse, TopHat, Slammers, Orlando Pride, Weston FC, Concord Fire, and Long Island SC possibly following suit.


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Post by TiltmasterR on 18/04/18, 09:37 am

I know you guys fight a lot but i really have learned some interesting information in the past 6 months reading this forum, so thanks! I grew making fun of soccer so of course my daughter loves soccer and is getting select invites now and I feel I/we made a great decision partially based with what I have learned here.
Cheers!

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Post by DeltaTauChi on 18/04/18, 09:37 am

http://www.eliteclubsnationalleague.com/2018/04/18/fc-stars-michigan-hawks-pda-and-more-are-all-in-for-2018-19/

This is why ECNL will survive. It knows it's a business, and runs itself like a business. USSF is a fiefdom and runs itself like a fiefdom.

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Post by TatonkaBurger on 18/04/18, 10:03 am

I have spent this first year watching my DD in this new league.  I saw some changes but saw a lot that was the same.  I remained a skeptic throughout because of USSF and how it was all rolled out.  The cheerleaders that were beating us over the head with how great it is never helped.  I wanted to be one of those cheerleaders myself because my DD was taking the DA plunge and I wanted it to be the way to get her where she wants to go in soccer.  Now the doubts are more real and I look forward to seeing where this goes.  I also have to wonder what happens with the talk of dropping ECNL and implementing DA2/DPL goes.  Those decisions were rumored at best but that has to be before the defections started.  Now what do those clubs (FC Dallas and Solar) do?
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Post by Brian Griffins BFF on 18/04/18, 10:11 am

Based on that ECNL article the only 2 DFW clubs listed on the 79 All In list are Feet and Sting. Thought Texans were committed to ECNL as well. And if you aren't on that list does that mean you will not be included in ECNL for '18/19 season??? #youthsoccergivesmeaheadache

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Post by AngelinaGoalee on 18/04/18, 10:18 am

Hypothetical Question:
If you and a colleague both have daughters of the same age,
both play soccer, same skills set basically. One goes ECNL, one does DA. Both for 4 years....DA player never sniffs USWNT but they both end up in D1 colleges full ride...was the DA experience a bust?

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Post by AggieSoccer51 on 18/04/18, 10:27 am

AngelinaGoalee wrote:Hypothetical Question:
If you and a colleague both have daughters of the same age,
both play soccer, same skills set basically. One goes ECNL, one does DA. Both for 4 years....DA player never sniffs USWNT but they both end up in D1 colleges full ride...was the DA experience a bust?

No, not a bust.

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Post by DeltaTauChi on 18/04/18, 10:30 am

AngelinaGoalee wrote:Hypothetical Question:
If you and a colleague both have daughters of the same age,
both play soccer, same skills set basically. One goes ECNL, one does DA. Both for 4 years....DA player never sniffs USWNT but they both end up in D1 colleges full ride...was the DA experience a bust?

Nope.

DA is a better avenue for some. ECNL is a better avenue for some. The market would be best served if both options were out there and the individual clubs could figure out how to make a choice and then stay in their lane. Doubt that'll happen, but one can always hope.

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Post by AtThePitch on 18/04/18, 10:33 am

dakobbie03 wrote:
AngelinaGoalee wrote:Hypothetical Question:
If you and a colleague both have daughters of the same age,
both play soccer, same skills set basically. One goes ECNL, one does DA. Both for 4 years....DA player never sniffs USWNT but they both end up in D1 colleges full ride...was the DA experience a bust?

No, not a bust.

One kid spends 4 years basically on a pro players schedule, missing out on all kinds of life events.

Life can't be repeated, and as I tell my kid routinely... There will be a day you will not be a soccer player...

Not worth it...
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